Kolb/Skelton splitting snaps

[oaken1]

they should be splitting snaps right now so both have the chance to get experience with the system....and on a bright note....we also have an extra pre season game this year as well.

 

[Duckjake]

Sometimes revisionist history is more informative than the first draft. Do you think that Whis inserted Warner in the Baltimore game not knowing how he was going to perform? It was Week 3 of the regular season. Warner had at least 20 attempts in each game before Leinart suffered his second broken collarbone.

I agree that the fan reaction was that Warner was finished and the Leinart was the future. My question is whether Whisenhunt really believed that. There were loud rumors about early friction between Whis and Leinart (who openly endorsed both Norm Chow and Pete Carroll for the job), beginning with Super Bowl week in Miami when Leinart pulled over his limo when he saw Whis walking down the strip.

Whisenhunt had an entire offseason with Warner and then all of training camp. All of the fans' eyes were on the presumed young stud. But do you really think that Whis put Warner into the lineup against Baltimore thinking that he was finished but we might as well roll the dice?

Really?

We were running the spread before the Baltimore game. The Cards attempted 66 passes over the first two games of the 2007 season, both games decided by 3 points.

Looking at that Baltimore game just reminds me of how pitiful our run game has been for years. Edge up the middle for 1. Edge right tackle -1 yards. Edge up the middle 2 yards. JJ Arrington up the middle 2 yards. And that's just one series of downs.

 

[Darkside]

I agree. Warner was terrible to start 2006 and no one thought he had anything left at 36 years old going into 2007.

We all were fooled. That Oakland game was nothing but the excuse CKW needed to continue with Warner as the starter. I know I missed the signs after the 2007 season. But using my 20/40 hindsight I can look back and see that Warner was the starter all the way going into 2008. His second half performance was just too strong. 2,362 yards and 21 TDs. No way Whisenhunt wasn't going to start him in '08.

Honestly, I loved Warner in St. Louis but when he got here I honestly thought he was just a backup with nothing left. His play in NY, while actually better than Eli's, left a lot to be desired. He had security issues and looked old to me. When he got here, initially, my opinion hadn't changed, I just figured we had a vet backup to teach Leinart how to prepare and win games, and I was fine with that.

When he started taking snaps from Leinart in actual games I knew it was over, I really did. I never once imagined, however, that he'd take us a SB, not until I started getting those regional SI issues (I have like 4 of them from the 2008 playoffs still hanging on my wall) titled "Dangerous", "Living Large", "Flying High" etc did I have an inkling we were actually for real. It was like a dream to me.

My point is, if a dude like Warner, with an actual pedigree, can come in here and surprise a lot of people--I won't say everyone, or even most people--then there's no reason Kolb or Skelton can't do the same thing.

The fact that a guy like Warner, who we knew was the man, can come in here and surprise folks tells me it's possible with QB's we barely even know. I'm not comparing either of our dudes to Tom Brady, but when he started and kept starting, I was so mad they dissed Bledsoe, seemed unfair to me, to lose a job to injury. Tom Brady wasn't even Tom Terrific back then, I saw the games (Lived in SC back then, I saw every Tennessee and Patriots game), he wasn't spectacular or anything, but he was consistent--way more consistent than almost anyone I've seen--and he won games. It wasn't until I heard Drew Bledsoe on the sidelines one game that year say, to a guy who just took his job, "You are the man," that I knew Brady was badass.

Point is, you never know what's in a dude's heart. Who knows what Skelton or Kolb is doing and thinking when they're alone, just waiting for that chance. It could happen, and it could happen to us.

 

[Phrazbit]

Honestly, I loved Warner in St. Louis but when he got here I honestly thought he was just a backup with nothing left. His play in NY, while actually better than Eli's, left a lot to be desired. He had security issues and looked old to me. When he got here, initially, my opinion hadn't changed, I just figured we had a vet backup to teach Leinart how to prepare and win games, and I was fine with that.

When he started taking snaps from Leinart in actual games I knew it was over, I really did. I never once imagined, however, that he'd take us a SB, not until I started getting those regional SI issues (I have like 4 of them from the 2008 playoffs still hanging on my wall) titled "Dangerous", "Living Large", "Flying High" etc did I have an inkling we were actually for real. It was like a dream to me.

My point is, if a dude like Warner, with an actual pedigree, can come in here and surprise a lot of people--I won't say everyone, or even most people--then there's no reason Kolb or Skelton can't do the same thing.

The fact that a guy like Warner, who we knew was the man, can come in here and surprise folks tells me it's possible with QB's we barely even know. I'm not comparing either of our dudes to Tom Brady, but when he started and kept starting, I was so mad they dissed Bledsoe, seemed unfair to me, to lose a job to injury. Tom Brady wasn't even Tom Terrific back then, I saw the games (Lived in SC back then, I saw every Tennessee and Patriots game), he wasn't spectacular or anything, but he was consistent--way more consistent than almost anyone I've seen--and he won games. It wasn't until I heard Drew Bledsoe on the sidelines one game that year say, to a guy who just took his job, "You are the man," that I knew Brady was badass.

Point is, you never know what's in a dude's heart. Who knows what Skelton or Kolb is doing and thinking when they're alone, just waiting for that chance. It could happen, and it could happen to us.

I agree, Warner surprised me, but Warner did actually HAVE pedigree, he was an MVP and superbowl champion. I dont see that pedigree from Kolb or Skelton. And I think we have seen enough from both of them, especially Kolb who is entering his 6th season, to say there is not anything remotely like Tom Brady lurking.

 

[Darkside]

I agree, Warner surprised me, but Warner did actually HAVE pedigree, he was an MVP and superbowl champion. I dont see that pedigree from Kolb or Skelton. And I think we have seen enough from both of them, especially Kolb who is entering his 6th season, to say there is not anything remotely like Tom Brady lurking.

I don't know, Kolb hasn't started but a handful of games, and while I want him to succeed, badly, I'm more interested in Skelton. Have you really seen enough of Skelton already? I mean, really? Because this is the FIRST time he's been given a good workout with snaps like he's a starter. FIRST time he's been really coached and mentored. He's done what he's done so far by himself, with relatively little help and he's impressed me, with no help at all. I'd like to see what he can do with NFL talent helping him and coaching him up.

 

[Phrazbit]

I don't know, Kolb hasn't started but a handful of games, and while I want him to succeed, badly, I'm more interested in Skelton. Have you really seen enough of Skelton already? I mean, really? Because this is the FIRST time he's been given a good workout with snaps like he's a starter. FIRST time he's been really coached and mentored. He's done what he's done so far by himself, with relatively little help and he's impressed me, with no help at all. I'd like to see what he can do with NFL talent helping him and coaching him up.

Kolb's played in parts of 28 games and started 16, and part of the reason for his relative lack of PT is his own deficiencies. What we've seen of Kolb is what he is. And he is probably another concussion away from being out of the league. As for Skelton, yes, he has not gotten a lot of opportunity to learn, and yes he is from the patriot league. I do see a higher ceiling for him than I do Kevin, but I dont see a star lurking. I'd love for him to get the chance to prove me wrong but I think his opportunities are going to come in the same scenarios they came last year. Skelton probably has a long career ahead of him in the league as a decent backup QB, but he has not shown anything close to the consistency you'd like out of a full time starter.

Next offseason the Cards will hopefully be doing what they should have done as soon as Warner retired... searching the college ranks for a QB to draft and develop. I certainly hope they are done with their recent trend of QB choices based on quick fixes and/or desperation.

 

[Darkside]

Kolb's played in parts of 28 games and started 16, and part of the reason for his relative lack of PT is his own deficiencies. What we've seen of Kolb is what he is. And he is probably another concussion away from being out of the league. As for Skelton, yes, he has not gotten a lot of opportunity to learn, and yes he is from the patriot league. I do see a higher ceiling for him than I do Kevin, but I dont see a star lurking. I'd love for him to get the chance to prove me wrong but I think his opportunities are going to come in the same scenarios they came last year. Skelton probably has a long career ahead of him in the league as a decent backup QB, but he has not shown anything close to the consistency you'd like out of a full time starter.

Next offseason the Cards will hopefully be doing what they should have done as soon as Warner retired... searching the college ranks for a QB to draft and develop. I certainly hope they are done with their recent trend of QB choices based on quick fixes and/or desperation.

I really hope you're wrong about Skelton. I've no issue with your comments about Kolb because he does have a history and some games we can look at. But Skelton...I just disagree. I think he may be a diamond in the rough. Someone who needs to be groomed and shown and taught how to play NFL ball. He's shown a lot of promise to me.

Maybe I'm just hoping because I don't want to start over. If we have to start over at QB then it's going to be another 2, 3, 4, 5 years possibly before they're good and a lot of our older core guys are going to be past their prime. If we miss that window it's going to piss me off.