Kolb v. Leinart

[New Mexico]

Looking at the stats, these guys are effectively the same QB. Leinart has been in the league six years and Kolb five years. Here's the breakdown

Kolb Leinart
Attempts 319 Attempts 595
Completions 194 Completions 340
Completion % 60.8 Completion % 57.1
YPA 6.5 YPA 6.5
TD 11 TD 14
INT 14 INT 20
Rating 73.2 Rating 70.8

We cut Leinart (a top ten pick who never got a chance to start for a full season) and now we're talking about giving up a first rounder and a defensive starter, or two second round picks for Kolb??? This is why we suck.

 

[Catfish]

Looking at the stats, these guys are effectively the same QB. Leinart has been in the league six years and Kolb five years. Here's the breakdown

Kolb Leinart
Attempts 319 Attempts 595
Completions 194 Completions 340
Completion % 60.8 Completion % 57.1
YPA 6.5 YPA 6.5
TD 11 TD 14
INT 14 INT 20
Rating 73.2 Rating 70.8

We cut Leinart (a top ten pick who never got a chance to start for a full season) and now we're talking about giving up a first rounder and a defensive starter, or two second round picks for Kolb??? This is why we suck.

New Mexico, You are right on. We gave away a not so likable QB who was one year away from costing us a fortune, so that a year later we could compete to provide a fortune for a QB whose stats are eerily similar to the one we gave away. I believe Forrest Gump said, "Stupid is as stupid does".

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

You can throw all the stats you want out about Leinart vs. Kolb and they are meaningless. The reason Leinart was let go is the players, for the most part, didn't like him and he didn't put in the work. Kolb has a sterling reputation with his teammates and a great work ethic.

It seems many want to blame Whiz for Leinart's demise when ML has no one to blame but himself. All he had to do was put in the effort. Whiz named him the starter, not once, BUT TWICE, and still he couldn't get motivated enough to work at it. That's why he lost his job. The players and staff all saw it. As bad as the QB play was last year, I have yet to hear of one player come out in ML's defense. If Kolb fails, and he might, I doubt it will be from lack of effort.

 

[binkar]

You can throw all the stats you want out about Leinart vs. Kolb and they are meaningless. The reason Leinart was let go is the players, for the most part, didn't like him and he didn't put in the work. Kolb has a sterling reputation with his teammates and a great work ethic.

It seems many want to blame Whiz for Leinart's demise when ML has no one to blame but himself. All he had to do was put in the effort. Whiz named him the starter, not once, BUT TWICE, and still he couldn't get motivated enough to work at it. That's why he lost his job. The players and staff all saw it. As bad as the QB play was last year, I have yet to hear of one player come out in ML's defense. If Kolb fails, and he might, I doubt it will be from lack of effort.

+1

 

[AZCARDSFANATIC]

It I have yet to hear of one player come out in ML's defense.

I can only say this about this. Almost every player that has said something contrary to what CKW has done is no longer on this team. Matt did it and he got canned. CKW doesn't tolerate anyone thinking his decision was poor.

 

[kerouac9]

You can throw all the stats you want out about Leinart vs. Kolb and they are meaningless. The reason Leinart was let go is the players, for the most part, didn't like him and he didn't put in the work. Kolb has a sterling reputation with his teammates and a great work ethic.

It seems many want to blame Whiz for Leinart's demise when ML has no one to blame but himself. All he had to do was put in the effort. Whiz named him the starter, not once, BUT TWICE, and still he couldn't get motivated enough to work at it. That's why he lost his job. The players and staff all saw it. As bad as the QB play was last year, I have yet to hear of one player come out in ML's defense. If Kolb fails, and he might, I doubt it will be from lack of effort.

Evidence of any of these? I know that's become the apologist conventional wisdom for why Whis chose Max Hall over #7, but he worked in the offseason with Tom Brady and Carson Palmer in Cali. I'm not sure why there's shame in getting beat out by a HALL OF FAME QUARTERBACK WHO TOOK THE ARIZONA CARDINALS TO A SUPERBOWL (but people don't want to blame Kevin Kolb for getting ousted by Michael Vick???).

You have no standing to talk about #7's motivation, effort, or preparation; no one on this board does. As for teammates standing up to him, ask Anquan Boldin and Beanie Wells what happens when you speak out about coaching staff decisions.

It's weird that people want to criticize #7 for checking down and having a low eye level when the exact same thing happened for every other quarterback. Anderson started out looking for the deep ball, but he quickly ended up looking for the short outlets. Same thing with Max Hall. Same thing with John Skelton, and he was benched halfway through the season closer for Bartell, who was throwing the deep ball again.

Perhaps there's something not being communicated throughout the coaching staff about when the starting quarterback should take chances and when he shouldn't. You can justifiably criticize #7 for not playing to win the starting job but playing not to lose it, but saying that he didn't want to prepare or wasn't trying or whatever doesn't have any basis in fact.

Regardless of his preparation or effort, he was still a better QB than any of the three bozos we actually ran out there. I hope the coaching staff got the Pyrrhic victory it was looking for--I bet the lockerroom was thrilled with the effort shown by Max Hall in not getting all those first downs.

 

[Mulli]

He didn't work out with Fitz. Who cares if he "worked out" with the QB's in Cali. I can call ML out for anything. What do I owe him?

 

[bg7brd]

I can only say this about this. Almost every player that has said something contrary to what CKW has done is no longer on this team. Matt did it and he got canned. CKW doesn't tolerate anyone thinking his decision was poor.

And the lessen here is: Don't go to press with your grievances. Whiz has an open door policy. Be a man and speak to him face to face. It's not rocket surgery.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

He didn't work out with Fitz. Who cares if he "worked out" with the QB's in Cali. I can call ML out for anything. What do I owe him?

Yo, what's your problem bra? He did MMA work with Jay Glazer, ground and pound and such! Now he's like 8x tougher!

Hey Smel, did the MMA work have an effect on his already stellar rating?

 

[Renz]

You have no standing to talk about #7's motivation, effort, or preparation; no one on this board does.

LOL. Are you his mother, or is it thesmel?

Yes, Matt's so good that he's pretty much out of the league. Must be because there is such a glut of good QB's in the NFL these days.

 

[Mulli]

How dare the Texans think this guy will hold a clipboard better than Leenart.

http://tarheelblue.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/yates_tj00.html

 

[ASUCHRIS]

LOL. Are you his mother, or is it thesmel?

Yes, Matt's so good that he's pretty much out of the league. Must be because there is such a glut of good QB's in the NFL these days.

LEAVE #7 Alone!!!

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[Mulli]

LEAVE #7 Alone!!!

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Will Dennis Green save that number for Leenart in the UFL?

 

[Bobcat]

New Mexico, You are right on. We gave away a not so likable QB who was one year away from costing us a fortune, so that a year later we could compete to provide a fortune for a QB whose stats are eerily similar to the one we gave away. I believe Forrest Gump said, "Stupid is as stupid does".

Know kidding...!!!

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Will Dennis Green save that number for Leenart in the UFL?

Uh, gifts from heaven, rhyme with 7, and wear whatever f'n number they want. I'd love to see the premier power couple reunited in the UFL.

Maybe they can find some ex song girls to put on the ol sweaters, and have Will Ferrell and Nick Lachey roam the sidelines. It'll be just like old times!

 

[Mulli]

Uh, gifts from heaven, rhyme with 7, and wear whatever f'n number they want. I'd love to see the premier power couple reunited in the UFL.

Maybe they can find some ex song girls to put on the ol sweaters, and have Will Ferrell and Nick Lachey roam the sidelines. It'll be just like old times!

Know kidding!

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Know kidding!

Forgot the

 

[kerouac9]

LOL. Are you his mother, or is it thesmel?

Yes, Matt's so good that he's pretty much out of the league. Must be because there is such a glut of good QB's in the NFL these days.

How is getting a higher tender than Deuce Lutui "pretty much out of the league"?

 

[cardncubfan]

Evidence of any of these? I know that's become the apologist conventional wisdom for why Whis chose Max Hall over #7, but he worked in the offseason with Tom Brady and Carson Palmer in Cali. I'm not sure why there's shame in getting beat out by a HALL OF FAME QUARTERBACK WHO TOOK THE ARIZONA CARDINALS TO A SUPERBOWL (but people don't want to blame Kevin Kolb for getting ousted by Michael Vick???).

You have no standing to talk about #7's motivation, effort, or preparation; no one on this board does. As for teammates standing up to him, ask Anquan Boldin and Beanie Wells what happens when you speak out about coaching staff decisions.

It's weird that people want to criticize #7 for checking down and having a low eye level when the exact same thing happened for every other quarterback. Anderson started out looking for the deep ball, but he quickly ended up looking for the short outlets. Same thing with Max Hall. Same thing with John Skelton, and he was benched halfway through the season closer for Bartell, who was throwing the deep ball again.

Perhaps there's something not being communicated throughout the coaching staff about when the starting quarterback should take chances and when he shouldn't. You can justifiably criticize #7 for not playing to win the starting job but playing not to lose it, but saying that he didn't want to prepare or wasn't trying or whatever doesn't have any basis in fact.

Regardless of his preparation or effort, he was still a better QB than any of the three bozos we actually ran out there. I hope the coaching staff got the Pyrrhic victory it was looking for--I bet the lockerroom was thrilled with the effort shown by Max Hall in not getting all those first downs.

This.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

The day I start a thread and have Bobcat, K9, and the SMEL as my main backers is the day I shut it down from ASFN completely.

LMAO - Know Kidding!

Oh hey and K9 - you know who can question his motivation and standing among teammates? Coach Wiz. And he did and cut his ass. Game Over.

Perception is reality when it comes to a professional athletes image and the only thing that would prove YOU were right and Wiz and the rest of the free world are wrong about ML's preperation and likeability by teammates is if he takes another team to the playoffs and all the guys are gushing over him. Good luck with that.

Apparently the Beer Bong pics, the dating of Paris Hilton and getting cut from a team that invested everything in him wasn't clear enough for you.

The Texans drafted a QB (Yates) in the 5th round and likely will get another via UDFA's. Why don't you ask your buddy Matt how well that worked out for him on the depth chart last time that happened?

One more question: WHY ARE WE TALKING ABOUT MATT LEINART AGAIN?

Its enough to make a guy long for a Adrian Peterson thread.

 

[john h]

Looking at the stats, these guys are effectively the same QB. Leinart has been in the league six years and Kolb five years. Here's the breakdown

Kolb Leinart
Attempts 319 Attempts 595
Completions 194 Completions 340
Completion % 60.8 Completion % 57.1
YPA 6.5 YPA 6.5
TD 11 TD 14
INT 14 INT 20
Rating 73.2 Rating 70.8

We cut Leinart (a top ten pick who never got a chance to start for a full season) and now we're talking about giving up a first rounder and a defensive starter, or two second round picks for Kolb??? This is why we suck.

At least Leinart was a first round early selection. Kolb was a second round selection and after all these years has not a regular starter and only has about 4 starts in the NFL. Why is that? The coach did not like him? He was treated unfairly? Or could it be that he sucked?

 

[Arizona's Finest]

The funniest thing to me is there was no bigger Leinart backer in the world then yours truly. I mean I defended the guy to the hilt and was proof positive we would have multiple rings by now the day we drafted him.

But anyone still defending him at this point is just devoid of reality OR (and heres the real ticket folks) will take ANY AND EVERY STANCE that will allow them to question Wiz's competence or decision making.

Just say it man. You don't like Coach Wiz. You don't think he is the guy everyone thinks he is.

But picking these plain ignorant view points to advance your singlular agenda......well who do you think you are fooling?

 

[Arizona's Finest]

At least Leinart was a first round early selection. Kolb was a second round selection and after all these years has not a regular starter and only has about 4 starts in the NFL. Why is that? The coach did not like him? He was treated unfairly? Or could it be that he sucked?

I am not taking up that Kolb will be a Pro Bowler but you do realize they traded the best QB in franchise history to give him the starting job - then he was injured GAME ONE - and we all know what happened after that. Mike Vick was the #1 pick and probably the most athletcially special player ever to play the game. Not just at Quarterback - any positon period. I would take him over Kolb too.

Unfortunately we don't have that option. Philly did.

 

[TJ]

The day I start a thread and have Bobcat, K9, and the SMEL as my main backers is the day I shut it down from ASFN completely.

LMAO - Know Kidding!

Oh hey and K9 - you know who can question his motivation and standing among teammates? Coach Wiz. And he did and cut his ass. Game Over.

Perception is reality when it comes to a professional athletes image and the only thing that would prove YOU were right and Wiz and the rest of the free world are wrong about ML's preperation and likeability by teammates is if he takes another team to the playoffs and all the guys are gushing over him. Good luck with that.

Apparently the Beer Bong pics, the dating of Paris Hilton and getting cut from a team that invested everything in him wasn't clear enough for you.

The Texans drafted a QB (Yates) in the 5th round and likely will get another via UDFA's. Why don't you ask your buddy Matt how well that worked out for him on the depth chart last time that happened?

One more question: WHY ARE WE TALKING ABOUT MATT LEINART AGAIN?

Its enough to make a guy long for a Adrian Peterson thread.

Beat me to it. I read the thread on my phone and wanted so bad to say pretty much this.

I'll add this: Kolb and Leinart are presumably available via trade for any team in the league this season. All of the media outlets and professional analyst who know more than any of us are foaming at the mouth for Kolb. Where is the attention to acquire Leinart as a team's QBoF? I think Matty blew that chance when he was here. He was given multiple opportunities to seize the job in Arizona and failed.

Yeah, it's one thing to lose it to a first ballot HoFer, but the 2nd time around, when coach tells him that Derek F'Ing Anderson is going to compete for the job, his reaction should have been "bring it!" Instead, he whines to the media that he is being slighted and that it is his job. Come on! If anyone has ever coached at any rank of football, hearing that type of behavior shows a lack of mental toughness and an inability to handle pressure. Why, especially at QB, do you want a player who cannot handle pressure to be a starter?

People can assume that Matty was replaced by Max Hall, but the fact of the matter is Matty destroyed his own career based on his own behavior and lack of preparation. He probably has all of the physical tools to be a top QB in the league; however, there are just as many prerequisite mental components. I cannot think of any sport psychology facet in which he excels. Not one. He needs more mental work up than physical.

Matty is lucky he didnt play for a coach like Bill Parcells. He would have been forced to clean the locker room stalls with a plastic toothpick. Then be cut.

 

[kerouac9]

I'll add this: Kolb and Leinart are presumably available via trade for any team in the league this season. All of the media outlets and professional analyst who know more than any of us are foaming at the mouth for Kolb. Where is the attention to acquire Leinart as a team's QBoF? I think Matty blew that chance when he was here. He was given multiple opportunities to seize the job in Arizona and failed.

Couldn't you say the same thing about any of the teams who drafted quarterbacks in the first two rounds of this draft class? Apparently no one likes Kolb as much as Jake Locker, or Christian Ponder, or Cam Newton.

Right?