KTAR Reporting: Steve Kerr Not Returning as GM.

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Ofcourse Mao is going to blindly support him, they come from the same cesspool.
And you and Hoover agree because you're not very informed.

Sarver is a clown regardless of college affiliation. Kerr re-built this team on the fly into an NBA Championship contender despite being forced to cut salary and release solid veterans every year. The guy should've been given a raise, he brought this team closer to an NBA Championship than any team since '93.
 

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That is wrong though. Kerr WAS that. Unfortunately he gave up on it quickly by trading Shaq and firing Porter to accommodate Nash.
He compromised,realized that the personnel wasn't right....and with a lot of political lockerroom help from the Nash camp he corrected this early mistake by promoting Gentry and making a trade that helped both the team and the system.

I don't think this is good news at all.............but i'll wait and see what Sarver's plan is, as well as what transpires this summer as far as roster moves etc..before i crucify this franchise.

Having said that,IMO this team was headed in the right direction(finally)after witnessing Gentry and Kerr assemble a group of hard nosed competitors last season. A team that played hard on both ends and had a chance to do something special....or at least use last season to build a legitamite foundation.

I just hope that the days of the Paper Tiger Show Pony Phx SUNS are over regardless of what happens with our GM.
I have my doubts :sad:.
 

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It won't be Griffin. He's leaving as well. All I can say right now.

So what is going on. The Suns FO staff is feeling awful today. This must be a part of something much bigger and everyone thought Amare was the primary issue this offseason. I'm beginning to think Sarver is just starting to strip the franchise in order to sell it.
 
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I'm beginning to think Sarver is just starting to strip the franchise in order to sell it.

I hope more than anything this is true but I don't see it. I think Sarver is just stripping the team because he wants to minimize payroll if there is a lockout.
 

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If everything I heard today happens, by July a lot of you will disown the Suns forever.
 

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If everything I heard today happens, by July a lot of you will disown the Suns forever.

And for those people that would actually do that, I say good riddance.

We may be headed down a dark path, but I'll never disown the Suns. Never.
 

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Yah I hate when my sports teams are entertaining! Boo to that! This moronic stereotype that one style or another is the one way of winning NBA titles seems like it'll never die. You can win titles up tempo or with a slow tempo, that has nothing to do with it. The teams with the best players usually win, the Suns have never clearly had the leagues best squad.

A big part of that is bad luck, the Suns never had the #1 pick, which makes things tough. If the Suns get Kareem and pair him with Paul Silas, Connie Hawkins and Van Arsdale they could've run up and down the court and probably won a couple of titles with a very quick pace.

Anyway, about Kerr, its clear he's trying to jump ship before he has to deal with totally reworking the team that he in part has set up to have zero future. With no draft pick and Amare likely walking for nothing, its a bleak outlook. Sarver of course deserves a large part of the blame, the guy is awful, but Kerr wasn't great either.

Lets never forget he chased off a Coach who led the team to their most successful 4 year run, the Terry Porter hire, the KT trade thats still haunting us, the Shaq trade that never made sense, acquiring Ben Wallaces extremely valuable expiring but not holding on to it until the deadline and making something of it, and not getting a late 1st from Cleveland.

He did some nice things too, I was wrong about Robin Lopez that turned out to be a good pick. Dragic was a very good pick and I think Clark has potential. The J Richh/Dudley trade was a very good move as well.

Kerr certainly improved as his tenure went along, but he started so monumentally poorly it was hard to recover. His tenure ought to be a warning to other franchises looking to hire GMs with zero relevant experience. At the beginning of his tenure, he was getting bent over when dealing with other teams and now the Suns are looking at a 2010 with no All Star PF, no marquee FA signing, no draft pick, and an expensive but not particularly talented lineup.

It could just be that TNT/ABC is going to pay the man, I can understand if he is unwilling to move his family to Phoenix how that could be enticing. Make a ton of cash, work alot less, stay home alot more. Sometimes people just make the best decision for themselves and not for the betterment of the Suns.
 

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If everything I heard today happens, by July a lot of you will disown the Suns forever.

Is speculation that there will at least be a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, with Sarver selling the team? At least there would be hope.
 

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And for those people that would actually do that, I say good riddance.

We may be headed down a dark path, but I'll never disown the Suns. Never.

I agree, let this shake out, I have seen this thrash before and things tend to work out. Now, I personally don't understand how a businessman like Sarver can bhave such high turnover, it's like he has a hard time with dealing with people over a long periods of time. There obviously is something he does that rubs his people the wrong way.
 

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If everything I heard today happens, by July a lot of you will disown the Suns forever.

I've lived through the Suns drug scandal and never once thought about abandoning the Suns. Just tell me the Suns get a new owner with deep pockets at the end of the day.
 
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Is speculation that there will at least be a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, with Sarver selling the team? At least there would be hope.

He'd probably sell the team to a group of business men in Seattle who "promised" to keep the team in Phoenix.
 

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Yes, they did. Those teams were loaded and could not get past an elderly Spurs teams and the perennially choking Mavs. It never had anything to do with tempo, D'Antoni's teams lost because despite their superior talent they were mentally and physically weak and could not get stops.

The only year I think you can make a strong case the Suns had the most talent was the suspension year. Unfortunately the Suns were hit with the twin blows of the suspensions and ref scandal, it was pretty bad luck. Should they have been deeper and mentally tougher? Sure, but so is life, it didn't work out that year, when it finally does and they have that parade down Washington, itll just make it even sweeter.

That's speculative at best. You weren't even alive then.

Well there's a moronic point. If you aren't alive when something happens, you can't comment on it. I wish that excuse would've worked in Middle School when I didn't feel like doing my report on Pearl Harbor. "Sorry teach, I wasn't alive then, how could I know anything about it?"

Haha, Kerr already re-worked the team once. Twice actually. I'm sure he was terrified of losing Amare, a guy he always thought of as replaceable.

Amare is replaceable, but there's almost no way to replace him currently since Kerr didn't trade him earlier. Unless the Suns get real lucky and do a sign and trade with him, theyre going to be hurting next year.

Successful? Try underachieving.

Please find me a 4 year span in Suns history where they won as many games. Let me help you, it doesn't exit. Sure they didn't win a title, but thats not the only measure of success. Success can be defined in many ways, sure a title would be the ultimate success but every time your team doesn't win one doesn't make the season a failure or an under achievement.

The D'Antoni era Suns entertained millions of people and brought the community together, they made game nights an event and must see TV, I have a hard time finding any qualms with that.

Forced by Sarver.

You've made this point numerous times and I've corrected you on it numerous times but like a petulant child you keep coming back with the same retort.

Sarver likely said to Kerr "cut payroll" how Kerr chose to do that was his call. He dropped the ball by giving up two picks, he carried out that plan and due to his inexperience got screwed. I'm not in anyway defending Sarver, I hate him and wish JC never sold the team. But Kerr made the deal, his name was on the GMs door when it happened, he takes the blame.


Yeah, I'm sure Cleveland was chomping at the bit for a 37 year old overweight has-been who makes $20 million annually and who has imploded his last three teams because of a poor attitude. Anyone would tell you the Shaq trade was the worst move Cleveland made all year. he killed their chemistry just like he did the Suns.

Pretty easy to say looking back on things. At the time they thought he was the answer to Dwight Howard and the piece they needed to get them over the hump to a title.

Acting as if getting the last pick in the 1st round for what they perceived to be the missing piece is some sort of ludicrous goal is ludicrous itself.

Talented enough to get to the Western Conference finals, no?

Nope. If the Suns don't have Amare next year for nothing (which is what I was talking about) they likely won't be talented enough to get to the WCF.

I just think its laughable that D'Antoni wins more regular season games and gets to the WCF (x2) and he sucks. Kerrs teams win less regular season games, miss the playoffs, and get to the WCF once, and he's great, a visionary, had the team headed in the right direction, heck he made them better defensively (which of course isn't true, but shhh lets not bring in facts!)

D'Antoni had his faults (he was an awful GM and unqualified to be one, it was a bad hire) and Kerr really ham strung the team for a few years with some of his early moves.

I hope the Suns can hire someone more qualified but Sarvers reputation precedes him and its unlikely. Not many qualified candidates are going to want to come work in this environment where there's not a lot of pieces for the future and a cheap skate owner.

It could just be that TNT/ABC is going to pay the man, I can understand if he is unwilling to move his family to Phoenix how that could be enticing. Make a ton of cash, work alot less, stay home alot more. Sometimes people just make the best decision for themselves and not for the betterment of the Suns.

Sure, I think thats a huge part of it. Im not making up some wild consipracy theories, Id likely do the same if I was Kerr.

Look at his situation "this job makes me live in a city I dont want to live in, I work with a cheapskate boss who's clueless, the pieces I have going forward don't set me up for success (partially my own fault) and Id like to see my family more...ok Ill quit." It all makes sense and Im not blaming the guy at all.
 

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Hey Hoover, how in the world is:

2004-2008
62 Wins, getting ass kicked in the WCF with HCA
54 Wins, putting up a good fight in the WCF
61 wins, losing in the second round
55 wins, getting ass kicked in the 1st round

better than:

1991-1995
54 wins, getting whooped in the 2nd round
62 wins, getting to the Finals
56 wins, losing in the 2nd round in 7
59 wins, losing in the 2nd round in 7

Both teams had overwhelming talent and Head Coaches who kept both from achieving the ultimate goal... and have been shown to be HORRENDOUS coaches once off the Suns. At least Westy got one of his teams to the Finals.
 
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After Matt Self's post, I've done a complete 180 since the story broke when I cautioned not to make quick assumptions. Now the guy at RealGM, Traxxe is saying we will not resign Stoudemire nor will they seek a replacement like Lee.

Your 2010-2011 Phoenix Suns Roster

1. Nash
2. Richardson
3. Hill
4. Clark
5. Lopez
6. Dudley
7. Dragic
8. Barbosa
9. Dwayne Jones
10. Vet min
11. Vet min
12. 2nd round pick
13. 2nd round pick

Lookout!
 

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If everything I heard today happens, by July a lot of you will disown the Suns forever.

How much worse can it get? I already expect Amare to be gone without an adequate replacement, ownership has low balled the entire staff and I see 29 other teams circling over head waiting to take advantage of whoever the Suns get to run things and pick their bones clean.

Is Sarver going to go door to door kicking Suns fans in the groin?
 

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How much worse can it get? I already expect Amare to be gone without an adequate replacement, ownership has low balled the entire staff and I see 29 other teams circling over head waiting to take advantage of whoever the Suns get to run things and pick their bones clean.

Is Sarver going to go door to door kicking Suns fans in the groin?

lol.
 

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I thought 80% of the board would feel happy that Sarver weren't gonna to keep Amare for the financial reason they have been preaching here. ;)
 

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I thought 80% of the board would feel happy that Sarver weren't gonna to keep Amare for the financial reason they have been preaching here. ;)

Yeah, does seem like there are some people walking both sides of the fence.

If some of these reports are true it sounds like the Suns are finally throwing in the towel and doing the full rebuild. It would be nice to have a quality GM if that is the case.
 

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From RealGm, so take it for what it's worth--anybody in Phx listening to the radio?

Kerr just said on the radio that they were working on giving staff raises. Too many reports from so-called experts that might be false.
 

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"I want to be a GM. I still live in Phoenix,the fans still love me there for leading them to their most successful season ever.....hmmmmm, i could probably milk this for a couple years,then go back to the booth at TNT.

I know this team. I've ragged on them for years cuz they don't play any defense,but maybe i could make a few phone calls to some of my old buddies who are GM's now. Ainge would work with me.....i can put off politics for awhile longer.

Yo, Sarver!"
 
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Yeah, does seem like there are some people walking both sides of the fence.

If some of these reports are true it sounds like the Suns are finally throwing in the towel and doing the full rebuild. It would be nice to have a quality GM if that is the case.

that's why I'm upset. I thought Kerr had a REALLY rough start but had done well learning on the job and I liked his attitude/eye for talent if we were gonna rebuild.
 
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