Kurt Warner's play today?

[moklerman]

Oh I see. Well in that case congratulations to you for Kurt's performance today.

It's really inspiring how so many here can choose not to enjoy a good game by THEIR quarterback and a big win. Like I said, I had visions of coming on here tonight and soaking up all the good vibes and jubilation that would certainly permeate the board.

Granted, it was foolish to think there would be a sense of water under the bridge with those that I've sparred with regarding Warner and having them give a tip of the cap to me for my guy but congrats to you all. I commend your pissing efforts on my parade.

 

[D-Dogg]

That's true for any QB tho.

No, I don't think so. Any QB wouldn't put up perfect QB ratings out of playaction. Good numbers, yes, but Kurt is a special QB.

That was a compliment to your boy. Don't belittle it by saying just any ol' QB would perform that well. You have to sell the PA and then read the defensive players who bit and deliver your pass quickly and on the money.

Kurt was amazing in playaction in this game. Amazing.

His rating outside of PA was 68.something.

I think overall, the offense wasn't that solid. Especially in the first the defense was winded as hell. The crowd gave them the will to fight, but the offense put them in bad shape.

The offense needs to play MUCH better on the road. MUCH better, IMO.

 

[azmike74]

It's really inspiring how so many here can choose not to enjoy a good game by THEIR quarterback and a big win. Like I said, I had visions of coming on here tonight and soaking up all the good vibes and jubilation that would certainly permeate the board.

Granted, it was foolish to think there would be a sense of water under the bridge with those that I've sparred with regarding Warner and having them give a tip of the cap to me for my guy but congrats to you all. I commend your pissing efforts on my parade.

I really don't think he is trying to "piss on your parade", but I can't see that you should be congratulated because Warner had a good game. We know you are a fan of Kurt Warner, Kurt had a good game and you should be happy for that, hell, we all are. The problem is, some people want more out of Warner and I think that upsets you.

Enjoy the win, enjoy the game Warner had today, and try not to let anyone get to you. I know, easy for me to say!

 

[D-Dogg]

It's really inspiring how so many here can choose not to enjoy a good game by THEIR quarterback and a big win. Like I said, I had visions of coming on here tonight and soaking up all the good vibes and jubilation that would certainly permeate the board.

Granted, it was foolish to think there would be a sense of water under the bridge with those that I've sparred with regarding Warner and having them give a tip of the cap to me for my guy but congrats to you all. I commend your pissing efforts on my parade.

I think it is because of a perception of what Warner does reflects on you, both ways. He has no bearing on you, either from what you are deserving of accolades for or what you are deserving of being bashed for.

Just my two cents.

 

[Lorenzo]

I was pissed that the Cards went away from the running game, it was working so well.

My guess is that it was in an effort to get Kurt going, since he's even said it himself that he isn't as comfortable if he's not in the spread slinging it around.

But, if you can run for 5 yards a pop, keep doing it.

honestly i thought the run game helped him in that game. when they were passing on every down he often had pressure in his face. in the second half when they went back to the run he often had time to throw. he is a rythem QB...but they have to run the ball and protect him well. if those two things happen he will have easy plays down field like we saw on the last drive.

 

[moklerman]

I don't think I deserve anything or that I accomplished anything and maybe congratulate is the wrong word. But just like some non-Card's fan giving everyone their props for the win today I would think it wouldn't be too hard for Card's fans to acknowledge the same kind of thing in this case.

I should probably offer the same kudos to Nashman for Edge's success. There are some members who are fans of particular players and there shouldn't be such an adversarial feel to just wishing them well when we're all hoping for the team's-and by extension the player's, continued success.

The reason I do get frustrated is I know of exactly 1 Cardinals fan in Bakersfield(me) and no one else gives a crap if Warner has a good game or not. So, when I come to the logical place to celebrate his and the team's success there are still multiple posters on here who not only aren't celebrating Warner's game they're criticizing it and calling his performance bad/awful.

I realize the majority are happy with how he played today but I guess the surprise at the negativity has magnified my disappointment that there couldn't be at least one day off from the arguing and criticizing. Believe it or not, I get tired of trying to defend/argue the misconceptions and blanket statements about Warner. It's meant to be entertaining and I'm compulsive about arguing but Jesus Tiberius Christ, today was the day it could be all put off to the side for a little while.

<sigh>

 

[D-Dogg]

honestly i thought the run game helped him in that game. when they were passing on every down he often had pressure in his face. in the second half when they went back to the run he often had time to throw. he is a rythem QB...but they have to run the ball and protect him well. if those two things happen he will have easy plays down field like we saw on the last drive.

Kurt had a perfect QB rating on playaction and the flea flicker. He had a 68 point something rating on all other passes.

Yeah, the running game was VERY helpful today.

 

[Lorenzo]

Kurt had a perfect QB rating on playaction and the flea flicker. He had a 68 point something rating on all other passes.

Yeah, the running game was VERY helpful today.

yeah that flea-flick was some play...we were talking earlier even on that play it looked like edge had a first down. but the play action in the second half was great.

 

[D-Dogg]

I don't think I deserve anything or that I accomplished anything and maybe congratulate is the wrong word. But just like some non-Card's fan giving everyone their props for the win today I would think it wouldn't be too hard for Card's fans to acknowledge the same kind of thing in this case.

I should probably offer the same kudos to Nashman for Edge's success. There are some members who are fans of particular players and there shouldn't be such an adversarial feel to just wishing them well when we're all hoping for the team's-and by extension the player's, continued success.

The reason I do get frustrated is I know of exactly 1 Cardinals fan in Bakersfield(me) and no one else gives a crap if Warner has a good game or not. So, when I come to the logical place to celebrate his and the team's success there are still multiple posters on here who not only aren't celebrating Warner's game they're criticizing it and calling his performance bad/awful.

I realize the majority are happy with how he played today but I guess the surprise at the negativity has magnified my disappointment that there couldn't be at least one day off from the arguing and criticizing. Believe it or not, I get tired of trying to defend/argue the misconceptions and blanket statements about Warner. It's meant to be entertaining and I'm compulsive about arguing but Jesus Tiberius Christ, today was the day it could be all put off to the side for a little while.

<sigh>

It is what it is my man. Kurt played a good game today. IMO, the run game helped him out immensely, and without it he would have struggled. It's playoff football, and you have to run to win. And by running, you open up the play action and we have one of the game's greats to exploit the defense when they bite. Kurt played very well.

I'm a guy who thinks we need to let him walk, to move the team forward...but he played a good game today. We need more of the same. I think his future relies on next week's game (wow, we have a game NEXT WEEK!!!) and how he performs there, on the road, will tell the coaching staff what to expect from him next year. THEY most likely want to build a stronger running team and would roll with Leinart, but if Kurt lights it up and we win, taking this team to the NFC Championship game would virtually ensure he returns...unless we win despite him which I don't see happening. He leads this team...for better (today) or for worse (NE).

 

[D-Dogg]

yeah that flea-flick was some play...we were talking earlier even on that play it looked like edge had a first down. but the play action in the second half was great.

Prior to the game, I had made a lot of noise with my friends that we should open the game up with a flea flicker...we had not run a trick play for weeks as we were coasting, and we needed to score FAST, and the Falcon D knew we'd want to run on them, so a flea flick would have been a great open. It happened a short bit later than I called, but I got mad credibility points on calling it as a quick strike weapon we should unleash. They didn't even bite on it like it usually happens, but damn did Fitz make a sick catch.

 

[D-Dogg]

yeah that flea-flick was some play...we were talking earlier even on that play it looked like edge had a first down. but the play action in the second half was great.

Also, on the game winning drive...every single one of those passes came from play action...it was a beauty.

And yes, I loooooove play action passing. IF we had a really solid running game, hell, middle of the pack rushing game, we would murder teams with the play-action.

And Matt Ryan is a very, very good QB running the PA...he sells the run very well for a rookie. That kid is going to be great. Throws a beautiful ball, too.

 

[moklerman]

I'm a guy who thinks we need to let him walk, to move the team forward...but he played a good game today.

It seems very presumptuous to me that replacing a pro-bowl QB will result in the team moving forward. I think assuming it's a 50/50 proposition is being generous but the majority seem to value the future much more than the present around here. Most points in team history, highest completion %, most TD's, highest rating, etc. I suppose it shows how much faith there is in Leinart and how little is thought of Warner. He's good, "but".

We need more of the same. I think his future relies on next week's game (wow, we have a game NEXT WEEK!!!) and how he performs there, on the road, will tell the coaching staff what to expect from him next year.

I agree but would handcuff that thought to him doing it with the running support and defense he got today. I fear that one or both of those important components will falter and the focus and blame will fall on Warner. Manning couldn't win without a running game today and Warner shouldn't be expected to either. Before or after the game.

 

[D-Dogg]

Manning couldn't win without a running game today and Warner shouldn't be expected to either. Before or after the game.

Manning isn't also 38 next year and hasn't taken several hits over the course of his career.

 

[IAWarnerFan]

It seems very presumptuous to me that replacing a pro-bowl QB will result in the team moving forward. I think assuming it's a 50/50 proposition is being generous but the majority seem to value the future much more than the present around here. Most points in team history, highest completion %, most TD's, highest rating, etc. I suppose it shows how much faith there is in Leinart and how little is thought of Warner. He's good, "but".

I agree but would handcuff that thought to him doing it with the running support and defense he got today. I fear that one or both of those important components will falter and the focus and blame will fall on Warner. Manning couldn't win without a running game today and Warner shouldn't be expected to either. Before or after the game.

That's the stance I've been trying to make the last few weeks, but no one wants to agree to it for some reason.

 

[IAWarnerFan]

Manning isn't also 38 next year and hasn't taken several hits over the course of his career.

People have been saying the last few weeks and have mentioned that he's washed up and finished! Did he look washed up and finished to you today?

 

[D-Dogg]

That's the stance I've been trying to make the last few weeks, but no one wants to agree to it for some reason.

The reason is Kurt will be 38 next season, and has been hit hard a lot in his career.

Rich Gannon had a great season at similar age going to the Super Bowl and I think he might have even been MVP, then washed out of the league the next.

Tying more money into Kurt, with a young QB on the sidelines isn't great business sense. Sad, but that's the state of business. And with Matt due a big roster bonus in 2010, you can't ride with him as a bench guy another year and hope he's developed. You have to know if he's got it (I think he does) and if not, be ready to draft QB of the future.

Kurt isn't the priority, though. Fixing the oline is, to get a real running game in this joint.

 

[D-Dogg]

People have been saying the last few weeks and have mentioned that he's washed up and finished! Did he look washed up and finished to you today?

No, but he had some rest in the last couple of weeks, which he clearly needed.

One year more...you can't expect him to continue at a high level forever man...you simply can't. He's a HOF in my opinion, but he sure isn't on the upswing.

 

[IAWarnerFan]

No, but he had some rest in the last couple of weeks, which he clearly needed.

One year more...you can't expect him to continue at a high level forever man...you simply can't. He's a HOF in my opinion, but he sure isn't on the upswing.

So be it. Even if the next two years he has a QB rating in the lower 90's upper 80's, I firmly believe that's better than what's behind door #2.

 

[D-Dogg]

People have been saying the last few weeks and have mentioned that he's washed up and finished! Did he look washed up and finished to you today?

And aren't you the guy who said that any QB with a running game could perform like he did? Which I disagreed with...so is it the running game today that made Kurt look good, or was it Kurt? I'll guess the running game, since he was perfection with playaction, and 68 rating QB in all other passes.

 

[IAWarnerFan]

And aren't you the guy who said that any QB with a running game could perform like he did? Which I disagreed with...so is it the running game today that made Kurt look good, or was it Kurt? I'll guess the running game, since he was perfection with playaction, and 68 rating QB in all other passes.

A great O-Line and quality running game takes the pressure off of your QB, but it's still the QB making the accurate passes.

 

[D-Dogg]

but it's still the QB making the accurate passes.

And Leinart can do that.

If we stick with the spread em and throw it all day offense, surely that's Kurt's nome de plume, but if we want to run, Leinart will be fine. Especially when you put in age of 38, wear and tear and poor road play, plus financials of all of it.

Again, if Kurt lights it up, you have to keep him simply on the strength of taking us to the mountain. But he wasn't extra special today...he was good.

The DEFENSE was extra special today.

 

[IAWarnerFan]

And Leinart can do that.

If we stick with the spread em and throw it all day offense, surely that's Kurt's nome de plume, but if we want to run, Leinart will be fine. Especially when you put in age of 38, wear and tear and poor road play, plus financials of all of it.

Again, if Kurt lights it up, you have to keep him simply on the strength of taking us to the mountain. But he wasn't extra special today...he was good.

The DEFENSE was extra special today.

I thought that would be your answer. What has he done to show that he can? His rating was 80.2 in very limited action this year. His career rating is 71.8 14 TDs to 17 Ints.

 

[moklerman]

The reason is Kurt will be 38 next season, and has been hit hard a lot in his career.

You don't stop at a green light because it's eventually going to turn red do you? Favre led Green Bay to the NFC Championship at 38. Moon played well into his late 30/early 40's. Montana. Warner is the type of QB who has a chance to continue to play well a little later than other QB's because he is more cerebral than physical. He doesn't rely on his legs or a rocket arm and he's playing at a very high level.

Rich Gannon had a great season at similar age going to the Super Bowl and I think he might have even been MVP, then washed out of the league the next.

Gannon did indeed win the MVP in 2002 but he didn't wash out of the league, he sustained a neck(back?) injury that forced him to eventually retire. He was also a QB that depended on his mobility to facilitate the success he had throwing the ball. Their age is similar but the comparison doesn't seem accurate.

And with Matt due a big roster bonus in 2010, you can't ride with him as a bench guy another year and hope he's developed.

I don't think you can sacrifice relatively certain production just to develop him though. I think it's assumed the team doesn't know what they have in Leinart but it isn't as if he's been withering away on the bench for 3 years. He's had over a season's worth of playing time and the coaches, I think, have a decent feel for what he's capable of.

 

[IAWarnerFan]

To be honest, I think there may be a better option and he's a FA right now. At least he has better career numbers, even though there nothing special.

 

[moklerman]

But he wasn't extra special today...he was good.

He was exactly what Cardinals fans have wanted him to be and the highest rated QB in the playoffs thus far. It's easy to focus on the early missed passes but at the end of the day, that's what matters, isn't it?