Kurt Warner's play today?

[D-Dogg]

I thought that would be your answer. What has he done to show that he can? His rating was 80.2 in very limited action this year. His career rating is 71.8 14 TDs to 17 Ints.

He's also started 17 games in his career. Including 400 yards against Minnesota as a rookie (a record) and solid games against the Bears and KC, both of which were lost by missed field goals by Rackers which Leinart drove the team into the winning position in....

Numbers for a rookie/young QB aren't much to put an argument on. He's looked good in limited action this year, and he's learning behind one of the game's all time greats.

 

[IAWarnerFan]

He's also started 17 games in his career. Including 400 yards against Minnesota as a rookie (a record) and solid games against the Bears and KC, both of which were lost by missed field goals by Rackers which Leinart drove the team into the winning position in....

Numbers for a rookie/young QB aren't much to put an argument on. He's looked good in limited action this year, and he's learning behind one of the game's all time greats.

And you know he's great. Why throw it away if he wants two more years. I'm not sold enough on Leinart to do that. I mean I don't expect his numbers to be as great as they are now, but I don't think his game will fall apart either.

 

[D-Dogg]

He was exactly what Cardinals fans have wanted him to be and the highest rated QB in the playoffs thus far. It's easy to focus on the early missed passes but at the end of the day, that's what matters, isn't it?

FFS, yes he had a good game today. Congrats.

It's so difficult speaking to you and IA since everything circles back to Warner is great and you better believe it mentality.

IF he performs as well as he did today, we lose on the road. If he improves, and we win, sign him up for another year or two.

But no, he didn't allay my fears about him from previous weeks that he can't last a season at a high level. Sorry....and if we want to run, which Whis does, he has to adjust more than the team does. That means fewer spreads and shotguns, and more Iform and power running formations. He kicked ass with the running game today, so that's a great sign. Can he run the system Whis WANTS and not the system Whis has because of his QB? That is the big question.

 

[IAWarnerFan]

I've heard the last few weeks that he can only work from a shotgun. It seems to me he lined up quite a bit on center today.

 

[D-Dogg]

And you know he's great. Why throw it away if he wants two more years. I'm not sold enough on Leinart to do that. I mean I don't expect his numbers to be as great as they are now, but I don't think his game will fall apart either.

Because I think we have the makings of a solid playoff team if we can develop a solid running game, and I sincerely don't think Warner fits in that.

Then factor in money, and IF/WHEN he falls off, having a guy like St. Pierre as the backup is a formula for same ol' cards...which I desperately want to avoid.

Leinart may/may not be the answer, but we need to KNOW if we are there. Leinart can lead us to the playoffs next year, of that I have no doubt. If he leads us farther, we keep him, if he doesn't, we look for the next Matt Ryan.

 

[IAWarnerFan]

FFS, yes he had a good game today. Congrats.

It's so difficult speaking to you and IA since everything circles back to Warner is great and you better believe it mentality.

IF he performs as well as he did today, we lose on the road. If he improves, and we win, sign him up for another year or two.

But no, he didn't allay my fears about him from previous weeks that he can't last a season at a high level. Sorry....and if we want to run, which Whis does, he has to adjust more than the team does. That means fewer spreads and shotguns, and more Iform and power running formations. He kicked ass with the running game today, so that's a great sign. Can he run the system Whis WANTS and not the system Whis has because of his QB? That is the big question.

There's your problem. It's a TEAM effort win or lose.

 

[IAWarnerFan]

Because I think we have the makings of a solid playoff team if we can develop a solid running game, and I sincerely don't think Warner fits in that.

Then factor in money, and IF/WHEN he falls off, having a guy like St. Pierre as the backup is a formula for same ol' cards...which I desperately want to avoid.

Leinart may/may not be the answer, but we need to KNOW if we are there. Leinart can lead us to the playoffs next year, of that I have no doubt. If he leads us farther, we keep him, if he doesn't, we look for the next Matt Ryan.

Who says we can't find a quality backup this offseason and maybe in the draft that Kurt Warner can groom the next two years.

 

[D-Dogg]

I've heard the last few weeks that he can only work from a shotgun. It seems to me he lined up quite a bit on center today.

He did, and he still hands the ball off slower than molasses. And we still didn't run the ball over 100 yards in this game, against the 25th ranked run defense, a team that let SAINT LOUIS run for more than 200 yards on them.

So no, even though he authored an ok running game by Cardinal standards, it wasn't anything to jump up on a perch and crow about.

 

[D-Dogg]

There's your problem. It's a TEAM effort win or lose.

There's your problem...Kurt Warner IS this offense...as he goes, we go. If he plays poorly, we lose...if he plays well, we are in it...if he plays great, we win.

You can't have one and the other both. HE IS THE OFFENSE. This d is to inconsistent to think they can carry us through the postseason as they did today.

 

[moklerman]

He's also started 17 games in his career. Including 400 yards against Minnesota as a rookie (a record) and solid games against the Bears and KC, both of which were lost by missed field goals by Rackers which Leinart drove the team into the winning position in....

Donald, it's hard not to point to things about Leinart without it sounding completely negative and I'm actually hopeful about his future success. Hope and optimism are different beasts though and looking at his career thus far, the limited success he's had, in the games you mentioned for example, could just as easily be explained by the league not having any film on him. I don't dispute his early success but his subsequent struggles concern me.

I give him some benefit of the doubt for many of the same reasons I have tried to defend Warner over the years. It's not fair or reasonable to judge Leinart too completely when there has been turmoil and change surrounding his playing time but while watching the games, he seems to go hot and cold for unknown reasons. Ultimately, I'm still not sold on his psyche. I know he's supposed to be very football smart but the way he's handled things overall are red flags in my book. If we're talking about handing the reigns to a very good offense to an unproven guy I would like him to have shown a constant desire and love of football a la Matt Ryan, Peyton Manning, etc. That has not been the case for Leinart and the way he faltered under the pressure of keeping the starting job really surprised me. I know everyone said it was close but we all know his final and most important audition was the Oakland preseason game and he fell to pieces. For a guy that played in bowl games and in front of hundreds of thousands of people that was a really bad sign.

Numbers for a rookie/young QB aren't much to put an argument on. He's looked good in limited action this year, and he's learning behind one of the game's all time greats.

It's all a matter of circumstance. If a rookie QB goes into an established offense then he should look a little better like Big Ben. His time this year is somewhat negative in my eyes. He hasn't been in a pressure situation and really shouldn't have any negative stat's in only 29 attempts but he has 1 pick and 2 fumbles in that very short time. He needs to be better than that.

 

[IAWarnerFan]

He did, and he still hands the ball off slower than molasses. And we still didn't run the ball over 100 yards in this game, against the 25th ranked run defense, a team that let SAINT LOUIS run for more than 200 yards on them.

So no, even though he authored an ok running game by Cardinal standards, it wasn't anything to jump up on a perch and crow about.

Well the Cardinals are ranked last in rushing and it's not his fault. We agreed last week that he's always been this slow and Marshall Faulk had his best rushing years with Warner as the QB. Bottom line is that he does it just fine and it's the o-line that is holding our rushing game back.

 

[D-Dogg]

Who says we can't find a quality backup this offseason and maybe in the draft that Kurt Warner can groom the next two years.

Yes, because good qbs are a dime a dozen in the NFL, yet we have a high draft pick who has shown great progress and good talent on our bench...so we should let him walk to allow Kurt to captain us through his 39th birthday?

Play the odds, man. The odds are, we have a potentially very good QB, and you want to basically move him for a FA content to back up Kurt?

 

[IAWarnerFan]

There's your problem...Kurt Warner IS this offense...as he goes, we go. If he plays poorly, we lose...if he plays well, we are in it...if he plays great, we win.

You can't have one and the other both. HE IS THE OFFENSE. This d is to inconsistent to think they can carry us through the postseason as they did today.

That's not my problem. It's the Cardinals problem and that needs to be worked on in the offseason.

 

[D-Dogg]

Well the Cardinals are ranked last in rushing and it's not his fault. We agreed last week that he's always been this slow and Marshall Faulk had his best rushing years with Warner as the QB. Bottom line is that he does it just fine and it's the o-line that is holding our rushing game back.

And we agreed that Marshall Faulk is one of the best RBs to ever play.

You'd have a leg in this argument if we had Adrian Peterson back there. We don't.

Yes, some of the problems in the running game are his fault because our RBs aren't able to deal with a slow handing off QB combined with an Oline that can't hold their blocks very long.

 

[IAWarnerFan]

Yes, because good qbs are a dime a dozen in the NFL, yet we have a high draft pick who has shown great progress and good talent on our bench...so we should let him walk to allow Kurt to captain us through his 39th birthday?

Play the odds, man. The odds are, we have a potentially very good QB, and you want to basically move him for a FA content to back up Kurt?

He's had his chances and his career numbers tell me otherwise. I realize that rookies tend to struggle out of the gate, but his current QB rating ais a concern for me.

 

[D-Dogg]

That's not my problem. It's the Cardinals problem and that needs to be worked on in the offseason.

And working on that problem means we play AWAY from Kurt's strengths. This isn't a hard concept to grasp. Kurt isn't a running game type of QB. Hell, ask him. He wants to wing it...go four wide. Go from shotgun. Sling it.

It is not his game. He excels at his game. Running it down a team's throat is not his game.

 

[IAWarnerFan]

And we agreed that Marshall Faulk is one of the best RBs to ever play.

You'd have a leg in this argument if we had Adrian Peterson back there. We don't.

Yes, some of the problems in the running game are his fault because our RBs aren't able to deal with a slow handing off QB combined with an Oline that can't hold their blocks very long.

How do you think Adrian Peterson would do here? I'd be willing to bet the Minnesota O-Line is a far cry better than the Cardinals O-Line.

 

[D-Dogg]

He's had his chances and his career numbers tell me otherwise. I realize that rookies tend to struggle out of the gate, but his current QB rating ais a concern for me.

And that is a silly concern, IMO.

 

[D-Dogg]

How do you think Adrian Peterson would do here? I'd be willing to bet the Minnesota O-Line is a far cry better than the Cardinals O-Line.

Better than Edge, Hightower or JJ, for sure.

He's talented beyond compare in this league.

And I'm a guy who did NOT want to draft him, citing injury concerns.

 

[IAWarnerFan]

And working on that problem means we play AWAY from Kurt's strengths. This isn't a hard concept to grasp. Kurt isn't a running game type of QB. Hell, ask him. He wants to wing it...go four wide. Go from shotgun. Sling it.

It is not his game. He excels at his game. Running it down a team's throat is not his game.

You can do that and mix in plenty of run. He just prefers to pass it out of that, it's no big deal.

 

[IAWarnerFan]

Better than Edge, Hightower or JJ, for sure.

He's talented beyond compare in this league.

And I'm a guy who did NOT want to draft him, citing injury concerns.

Did you see my bet? Are you really arguing it?

 

[D-Dogg]

Let's end this please...it is way too late and I'm way too happy with the win today.

Kurt is godlike, he should be given a lifetime contract and Leinart isn't possibly a potential maybe kinda okay even decent maybe servicable replacement.

We good?

 

[IAWarnerFan]

Let's just agree to disagree. There's two ways up the mountain and the both have risks and maybe rewards. Obviously I take this way, because I believe in Kurt Warner so much.

 

[IAWarnerFan]

Let's end this please...it is way too late and I'm way too happy with the win today.

Kurt is godlike, he should be given a lifetime contract and Leinart isn't possibly a potential maybe kinda okay even decent maybe servicable replacement.

We good?

Same page! We're good!

 

[D-Dogg]

Let's just agree to disagree. There's two ways up the mountain and the both have risks and maybe rewards. Obviously I take this way, because I believe in Kurt Warner so much.

I know two things for a fact.

Whoever is our 2009 starting QB:

I will be fully behind him.

And so will you.