KW has finally lost his mind

[Mitch]

Hi Walter, Don't get me wrong, I do like Skelton, but I expected more from him in this game. Maybe I'm being impatient , but I just thought Skelton missed too many throws. He may turn out to be a quality starter down the road ,but it's looking like it will take a few years for us to find out. I'm really worried that if we don't find a way to draft Andrew Luck , We will be a 5-11 team for the next decade.

If we had the sort of team that was good enough to carry a QB for a few years until he developed I might feel differently, but as you can see this team needs a QB that can carry the team.

I guess I was watching a different game, Gary. What I saw was the 49ers coming after Skelton so fast and furiously that he had such little time to make his reads...on so many plays there were UNTOUCHED rushers.

Tell me how many QBs you know could have staved off that assault.

This one is on Whisenhunt.

He cannot protect a QB for his life...he doesn't chip...he doesn't anticipate, and if you are not Kurt Warner, calling your own "hot reads", you are going to take a beating...not only from the opponents, but from your own head coach.

How about the passes he threaded to Fitz as Fitz was getting bracketed?

He didn't force one pass, thus keeping the team in the game, until the defense performed a total no-show in the second half.

The one interception was a great last second tip by a blocked d-lineman.

While I agree he will need time and grooming...I hope he gets to battle for the starting job next year because in my opinion he's earned it.

 

[PJ1]

Yes it was obviously his fault that Levi Brown (and the rest of our Oline for that matter) was a turnstile the entire game and that our defense allowed a backup RB to crawl into the endzone. He had some things that were his fault but not nearly as many as some on here claim it to be.

Would I bet my season on him next year if there is one? No I still want competition from a vet and a rookie QB (who likely won't be taken in round 1)

Agree with this. Skelton by no means should be handed the keys next year but I was impressed with this 4 game stint. One of the few things I did like about this season. The rookies were ok. Our vets and coaching screwed this season.

 

[PJ1]

I guess I was watching a different game, Gary. What I saw was the 49ers coming after Skelton so fast and furiously that he had such little time to make his reads...on so many plays there were UNTOUCHED rushers.

Tell me how many QBs you know could have staved off that assault.

This one is on Whisenhunt.

He cannot protect a QB for his life...he doesn't chip...he doesn't anticipate, and if you are not Kurt Warner, calling your own "hot reads", you are going to take a beating...not only from the opponents, but from your own head coach.

How about the passes he threaded to Fitz as Fitz was getting bracketed?

He didn't force one pass, thus keeping the team in the game, until the defense performed a total no-show in the second half.

The one interception was a great last second tip by a blocked d-lineman.

While I agree he will need time and grooming...I hope he gets to battle for the starting job next year because in my opinion he's earned it.

Good post Mitch. The way Skelton bounced back in the second quarter after the initial onslaught was impressive. People need to look at the games from some other rookie QB's rated much higher than Skelton before judging him so harshly.

It is a process. Give him a chance.

 

[DieHardCardFan]

At the half, the announcers learned that KW was 'disappointed' with Skelton's play early in the game. Yeah, we all knew that Skelton was supposed to developed the ability to become noncorporeal, pass ghostlike through the pass rush, turn solid again, then throw the ball. Damn, how could we have overlooked this ability in our search for a new QB? :rollseyes:

No one, not even Warner, would have looked good in the face of that much pressure on every single snap. The offensive linemen should have walked off the field after the first quarter and commited group sepuku (sp?). But who did Whis have to comment about? The QB. Yeah, it's his fault :rollseyes:

And, just to prove that he's REALLY an idiot, he benches the kid in the second half. Did he watch the game? Is he really this stupid?

We had better just cut Skelton, sign a couple of vets, and avoid ever drafting a QB while KW is still the coach. He has absolutely no concept how to be patient and develop a QB. No wonder he never got along with Big Ben--he's an idiotic headcase when it comes to young QBs.

+101

Whis blew this situation big time. And showed me a fan that he did not want to compete.

 

[Snakester]

I guess I was watching a different game, Gary. What I saw was the 49ers coming after Skelton so fast and furiously that he had such little time to make his reads...on so many plays there were UNTOUCHED rushers.

Tell me how many QBs you know could have staved off that assault.

This one is on Whisenhunt.

He cannot protect a QB for his life...he doesn't chip...he doesn't anticipate, and if you are not Kurt Warner, calling your own "hot reads", you are going to take a beating...not only from the opponents, but from your own head coach.

How about the passes he threaded to Fitz as Fitz was getting bracketed?

He didn't force one pass, thus keeping the team in the game, until the defense performed a total no-show in the second half.

The one interception was a great last second tip by a blocked d-lineman.

While I agree he will need time and grooming...I hope he gets to battle for the starting job next year because in my opinion he's earned it.

I agree with you that Skelton needed better protection, that's for sure. The Cardinals have ignored getting offensive linemen and passrushers for way too long. Skelton does alot of things right. The fact that he has Joe Montana coolness is a huge factor in his favor. He's just missing too many passes and reads right now to know for sure how he is going to turn out. His touch on his short throws to the runningbacks is not very good at this point. Tonight he showed that big time.

Maybe alot of my worry comes from not knowing how well he might do in the future. I do not have alot of confidence right now that Skelton can be the man. I'm at that 50-50 stage with him right now. He at least shows a strong possibility that he can be an NFL QB. I would feel alot better if we still had Kurt Warner for a couple more years while Skelton developed, but we don't. If we go into next season with just Skelton as our main guy I will be more than a little worried about our chances of winning next year.

 

[red desert]

Gary, this kid, who hadn't taken snaps with the first team offense all year until 4 weeks ago was playing in his second road game versus a defense that got to him so fast so often...

The amazing thing about him to me is...he didn't ever get flustered.

In fact, when Takeo Spikes tried to take his head off, did you see the look he gave Spikes?

In addition, in this game, unlike last week's game, Skelton developed a good chemistry with Fitz...which provides a great deal of optimism for so many reasons...

I love the fact that this kid is tough...and Lord knows he will need to be playing for one of the most QB unfriendly coaches in the NFL.

To rule him out of the running at this point is just plain wrong. Sorry to say because you know I think the world of you and your opinions.

Agree 100%

 

[D-Dogg]

I think CKW said one thing they wanted to do in this game was get some looks at Bartel.

Took me two series to see he looks just like DA. Since Whis liked DA though...

 

[CtCardinals78]

Great job Whisenhunt. Seattle is about to take this division at 7-9. Terrific. I'm almost certain Leinart (or McNabb) could have made the difference for two or three more wins. Way to coach. Props to you too Rod Graves.

 

[Paso Fino]

I cannot ever remember a coach at halftime singling out one player for criticism the way Whiz did today. It struck me that he was looking for a scapegoat for his incompetent coaching. There is no excuse for criticizing Skelton the way Whiz did. What a way to give a young quarter back some confidence.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I give Whiz credit for getting 5 wins from team with no QB, no OL, and no LB's. He bothced, maybe,we'll never know for sure,the Leinart thing but I would think any team is going to struggle when the FO has 4 of their top 6 players leave and decides to pocket 30 mill instead of getting adequate replacements.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I cannot ever remember a coach at halftime singling out one player for criticism the way Whiz did today. It struck me that he was looking for a scapegoat for his incompetent coaching. There is no excuse for criticizing Skelton the way Whiz did. What a way to give a young quarter back some confidence.

talk about reading what you want into a situation. How do you know the Cards didn't scheme for those blitzes and Skelton wasn't making the right check or audibles. He must have been making some pretty bad mistakes because when have you heard Whiz publicly criticize any player?

 

[Duckjake]

I cannot ever remember a coach at halftime singling out one player for criticism the way Whiz did today. It struck me that he was looking for a scapegoat for his incompetent coaching. There is no excuse for criticizing Skelton the way Whiz did. What a way to give a young quarter back some confidence.

Especially since every QB he has trotted out this season has looked as bad or worse.

We should have seen this coming last pre season when ckw thought Brian St.Pierre was better than Leinart. BSP, a guy who after 7 years in the NFL finally gets a start and completes 46% of his passes, throws 2 INTs and garners a 48.7 QB rating. Sounds familiar doesn't it?

 

[CtCardinals78]

I give Whiz credit for getting 5 wins from team with no QB, no OL, and no LB's. He bothced, maybe,we'll never know for sure,the Leinart thing but I would think any team is going to struggle when the FO has 4 of their top 6 players leave and decides to pocket 30 mill instead of getting adequate replacements.

Huh? You give him credit for 5 wins when 7 would have won the division? He maybe botched the Leinart thing? He's been the HC since 2007 and decided just before the start of the 2010 season Leinart wasn't the guy, when the Cards could have made a play for McNabb and instead decided to woo Charlie Whitehurst, Derek Anderson and Marc Bulger? The front office did pocket $30 mil, but do you think it was the Front Office who told him to go after Porter and Fanaca and start them again and again when they sucked? Do you think it was the front office who told him to play QB musical chairs, or bench RB's every other play, or pass the ball twice as much as run? Was it the front office who told him to sit their first round NT for an aging vet who couldn't get the job done?

You give him credit for 5 wins if you like, but he should be criticized for helping to dismantle a playoff caliber roster and for wasting away a gift wrapped third division title. I can easily see Beanie leaving this team and ripping it up in the NFL ala Thomas Jones. I'm not in the fire Wiz camp, but if this team looks like this a year from now with a similar record he should be fired.

 

[az240zz]

I agree with you that Skelton needed better I will be more than a little worried about our chances of winning next year.

don't think winning next year is possible. Too many holes to fill and a GM who isn't good enough to get the players we need.

 

[THESMEL]

WHiz lost more than his mind, He lost his team!

They have not tried hard since the 1st 1/4 of Saints playoff game. The way Whiz treated Q, Rolle, Dansby, Reegie Wells, Matt, Cody Brown ect. plus the way treated Deuce, Lyle, Breaston, Patrick ect.

Well we seen how they respond to HC manufatured adversity. And We seen how Graves and Whiz reponded too their response.

 

[Duckjake]

talk about reading what you want into a situation. How do you know the Cards didn't scheme for those blitzes and Skelton wasn't making the right check or audibles. He must have been making some pretty bad mistakes because when have you heard Whiz publicly criticize any player?

I can just see the Cards scheming in practice. "OK Levi you whiff on the outside rusher and then plant your left foot like this so you can turn around and help John up off the ground."

 

[azsouthendzone]

Huh? You give him credit for 5 wins when 7 would have won the division? He maybe botched the Leinart thing? He's been the HC since 2007 and decided just before the start of the 2010 season Leinart wasn't the guy, when the Cards could have made a play for McNabb and instead decided to woo Charlie Whitehurst, Derek Anderson and Marc Bulger? The front office did pocket $30 mil, but do you think it was the Front Office who told him to go after Porter and Fanaca and start them again and again when they sucked? Do you think it was the front office who told him to play QB musical chairs, or bench RB's every other play, or pass the ball twice as much as run? Was it the front office who told him to sit their first round NT for an aging vet who couldn't get the job done?

You give him credit for 5 wins if you like, but he should be criticized for helping to dismantle a playoff caliber roster and for wasting away a gift wrapped third division title. I can easily see Beanie leaving this team and ripping it up in the NFL ala Thomas Jones. I'm not in the fire Wiz camp, but if this team looks like this a year from now with a similar record he should be fired.

Well said

 

[Sunryze88]

I have faith in Skelton. He has all the physical tools to be great. People who have written him off already remind me of our Coach. I think having good competition for the starting job, the offense planned for Skelton, offseason training focusing on Skelton on being the starter, and building the o-line will make him atleast a decent qb, if not great.

 

[bg7brd]

talk about reading what you want into a situation. How do you know the Cards didn't scheme for those blitzes and Skelton wasn't making the right check or audibles. He must have been making some pretty bad mistakes because when have you heard Whiz publicly criticize any player?

This

 

[Big D]

It's pretty sad and pathetic when Jim Mora Jr sounds like he knows more about what would be best for the cards as far as in game coaching and for the future than what Whisenhunt apparantley does. Whis treated this game like it was the 4th game of the preseason.

I guess it was a perfect ending to a season that was nothing more than a comedy of errors that began and ended with awful decisions by the HC. The team followed suit and ended up being the cellar dweller in the division that provided the first ever division winner that was actually a LOSER. This is a new low (which is really, REALLY saying something) as far as I'm concerned.

 

[desertdawg]

This

Not this, we saw the difference between Skelton and Bartel right away. Whiz is flipping on Skleton like he did Leinart in the pre-season.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Huh? You give him credit for 5 wins when 7 would have won the division? He maybe botched the Leinart thing? He's been the HC since 2007 and decided just before the start of the 2010 season Leinart wasn't the guy, when the Cards could have made a play for McNabb and instead decided to woo Charlie Whitehurst, Derek Anderson and Marc Bulger? The front office did pocket $30 mil, but do you think it was the Front Office who told him to go after Porter and Fanaca and start them again and again when they sucked? Do you think it was the front office who told him to play QB musical chairs, or bench RB's every other play, or pass the ball twice as much as run? Was it the front office who told him to sit their first round NT for an aging vet who couldn't get the job done?

You give him credit for 5 wins if you like, but he should be criticized for helping to dismantle a playoff caliber roster and for wasting away a gift wrapped third division title. I can easily see Beanie leaving this team and ripping it up in the NFL ala Thomas Jones. I'm not in the fire Wiz camp, but if this team looks like this a year from now with a similar record he should be fired.

you mean the McNabb that was benched for Rex Grossman or the Marc Bulger who never played a down to my knowledge. Whitehurst just played Seattle to the playoffs. Maybe Faneca and Porter were all that Whiz could ask for with money he was alloted.He supposedly even wanted Bulger but was told no. Who would you have started for Porter and Faneca? Rex Hadnot, he couldn't cut it in Cleveland. He msut have gotten alot better sitting on the bench because everyone assumes he would be better. Do you really think Whiz wanted to go with Lenon over Dansby? A broken down Hayes didn't help matters either.
I'm not saying Whiz was flawless by any means but he was given crap by the FO and they deserve more of the blame than Whisenhunt. I still don't know what the urgency was to trade Boldin, especially with the crappy return they got. A disgruntled Randy Moss netted NE a 3rd rounder mid-season. Dan Williams was playing more and more down the stretch. Big deal if Robinson started. There isn't a NT in the league that doesn't need many plays off. These guys are rookies, hardly any have any significant impact their 1st year, much less start and dominate.

 

[DieHardCardFan]

Whiz is the head coach !! This season lays at his feet. That is how it goes. When we win he gets the praise when we lose he gets th blame pure and simple. And for him to throw Skelton under the bus is scapegoating no way around it. He should never have been in this situation to begin with. And personally I thought Skelton did fine with what he had for an excuse of an O-Line.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Whiz is the head coach !! This season lays at his feet. That is how it goes. When we win he gets the praise when we lose he gets th blame pure and simple. And for him to throw Skelton under the bus is scapegoating no way around it. He should never have been in this situation to begin with. And personally I thought Skelton did fine with what he had for an excuse of an O-Line.

I agree he gets blame but you can't lay everything at his feet. People want ot give Warner and Haley credit for the wins but Whiz only gets credit for the losses.

 

[Evil Ash]

you mean the McNabb that was benched for Rex Grossman or the Marc Bulger who never played a down to my knowledge. Whitehurst just played Seattle to the playoffs. Maybe Faneca and Porter were all that Whiz could ask for with money he was alloted.He supposedly even wanted Bulger but was told no. Who would you have started for Porter and Faneca? Rex Hadnot, he couldn't cut it in Cleveland. He msut have gotten alot better sitting on the bench because everyone assumes he would be better. Do you really think Whiz wanted to go with Lenon over Dansby? A broken down Hayes didn't help matters either.
I'm not saying Whiz was flawless by any means but he was given crap by the FO and they deserve more of the blame than Whisenhunt. I still don't know what the urgency was to trade Boldin, especially with the crappy return they got. A disgruntled Randy Moss netted NE a 3rd rounder mid-season. Dan Williams was playing more and more down the stretch. Big deal if Robinson started. There isn't a NT in the league that doesn't need many plays off. These guys are rookies, hardly any have any significant impact their 1st year, much less start and dominate.

No, their defense did. Whitehurst had as many TD passes as Skelton did.

Hadnot was a good backup on a good oline in Cleveland. The Browns problem had a lot to do with their QB situation last year.

We should have kept Brown but instead we let a 2nd rounder go because of Porter's reputation rather than his actual play. Not to mention we had zero depth at the position which caused us to go to a 4-3 at the end of the year.

We should've played the rookies sooner instead of having them earn it even though they were more talented.

Bryan Robinson should've been a coach not a player.

and if Whiz wanted Bulger that bad, all he had to do was cut Leinart then instead of the last day of cuts

The FO deserves plenty of blame but Whiz has used up his one and only mulligan as he was one of the big factors in this trainwreck