Kyler Murray Debate Thread

[Cheesebeef]

It’s a rough life for Never Murrays.

I mean… you’re right. Life as a Cardinals fan has been rough for Never Murrays… and I’m confused how it’s not for any Cardinals fan because watching a number 1 pick and quarter of a billion dollar man go a lame 35-46-1, while choking like a dog under any kind of pressure in his litany of patented second half of season collapses, while only taking the Cardinals to the playoffs ONCE IN SIX YEARS where he was HUMILIATED in his lone pathetic playoff performance would be rough for ANY Cardinals fan.

But hey… different strokes for different folks, I guess.

Can’t wait for next season when Peturd is gone and K1 is still our QB.

Unfortunately I can wait for you to start making even more excuses for whoever’s career Kyler tries to tank next. He did a bang up job of making Kingsbury look like a joke, but Kliff’s showing this season the joke’s still on us.

 

[Phrazbit]

Kyler can't throw.hard, guys. Haven't you read the threads?

FFS. I'm a pragmatist, but if I don't bash the dude I'm apparently sucking his tiny nuts. I know how this board works, been around for a hot minute, but sometimes the blinders are wild.

I got torn up for "defending" him a few weeks ago when in a post where I said he is non-functional when dealing with any sort of hindrance and that we need to move on.

 

[Stout]

Fans: K1 needs to go deep
Also Fans: It’s K1s fault we don’t go deep

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Have you seen the play with Marv running free and clear, Kyler having time, and completely ignoring him? Remember that the next time you whinge about Petzing never designing long passes and the receivers never getting open.

 

[Stout]

Any pass catcher would say that. If K1 puts that ball low and outside it's either a TD or an incomplete pass. Ball placement was terrible. Could Trey have caught it? Of course he could have made a crazy catch but it wasn't necessary. It didn't have to be a tough catch. That's the point everyone is making about accuracy from your QB.

Yeah, and it didn't have to be thrown at a million miles per hour. There may have been a hold on the play, but it was also a bad throw. Both can be true.

 

[Stout]

Sure I get that, the counter is it didn't have to be low and outside. If Trey has his head around that's a TD where it was thrown, there's no way the DB is going to break that up. It wasn't because Trey was late, because in his own words, he was held coming off the break and it slowed him getting his head around.

It was only a tough catch because of that contact.

Or it's not a catch because it was thrown with crazy velocity from a panicky QB.

 

[D-Dogg]

I got torn up for "defending" him a few weeks ago when in a post where I said he is non-functional when dealing with any sort of hindrance and that we need to move on.

It's absolutely obnoxious.

 

[D-Dogg]

Or it's not a catch because it was thrown with crazy velocity from a panicky QB.

"Crazy velocity" is wild work. It was placed like poo. That's all. Velocity has zero to do with it.

 

[D-Dogg]

Yeah, and it didn't have to be thrown at a million miles per hour. There may have been a hold on the play, but it was also a bad throw. Both can be true.

Not a bad throw because it was thrown "hard." It's was a bad throw because it was behind him...which K1 does a lot. Either that or high. Over and over and over. He has an issue leading receivers and it's been a huge problem this year.

 

[D-Dogg]

Have you seen the play with Marv running free and clear, Kyler having time, and completely ignoring him? Remember that the next time you whinge about Petzing never designing long passes and the receivers never getting open.

You mean the all 22 when it was clear there was no way for him to plant and throw that ball to him because he escaped a broken blocked blitz and was running the opposite direction? Yeah we saw that and discussed it to death.

 

[Stout]

You mean the all 22 when it was clear there was no way for him to plant and throw that ball to him because he escaped a broken blocked blitz and was running the opposite direction? Yeah we saw that and discussed it to death.

lol I have read the board since yesterday, and all I've seen are posts knocking Kyler for it and 602 remaining silent about it because it doesn't fit the narrative. It's been discussed to death and Kyler has been crucified with it.

 

[602 Native]

Have you seen the play with Marv running free and clear, Kyler having time, and completely ignoring him? Remember that the next time you whinge about Petzing never designing long passes and the receivers never getting open.

Great! What QB doesn’t miss guys? Even Stafford missed dudes last night and yet people pine for that dude. Never mind the 3 picks that our defense dropped.

Let’s not point to anecdotal misses when we all know every QB misses guys every game.

Wilson should have caught that ball and if he had we would be having a much different conversation.

 

[WisconsinCard]

Great! What QB doesn’t miss guys? Even Stafford missed dudes last night and yet people pine for that dude. Never mind the 3 picks that our defense dropped.

Let’s not point to anecdotal misses when we all know every QB misses guys every game.

Wilson should have caught that ball and if he had we would be having a much different conversation.

Why he stepped OB. It was a penalty either way.

 

[WisconsinCard]

IMO the debate is over it's just a matter when the front office agrees on the point and time to move on. Unless we're going to be happy to win 7-9 games a year or build the "85" bears type defense.

 

[slanidrac16]

I mean… you’re right. Life as a Cardinals fan has been rough for Never Murrays… and I’m confused how it’s not for any Cardinals fan because watching a number 1 pick and quarter of a billion dollar man go a lame 35-46-1, while choking like a dog under any kind of pressure in his litany of patented second half of season collapses, while only taking the Cardinals to the playoffs ONCE IN SIX YEARS where he was HUMILIATED in his lone pathetic playoff performance would be rough for ANY Cardinals fan.

But hey… different strokes for different folks, I guess.



Unfortunately I can wait for you to start making even more excuses for whoever’s career Kyler tries to tank next. He did a bang up job of making Kingsbury look like a joke, but Kliff’s showing this season the joke’s still on us.

Remember Cheese, this is the same guy complaining Monte hasn’t drafted a rookie of the year or All-Pro.
He will fall back on how good Kyler is, but it should be WAS.

 

[slanidrac16]

Great! What QB doesn’t miss guys? Even Stafford missed dudes last night and yet people pine for that dude. Never mind the 3 picks that our defense dropped.

Let’s not point to anecdotal misses when we all know every QB misses guys every game.

Wilson should have caught that ball and if he had we would be having a much different conversation.

Stafford has his team in the playoffs. The ball to Wilson was underthrown.

 

[slanidrac16]

Hey gang, we are debating a play that was absolutely weird.
There were more than a few plays that can be construed as dumb.

 

[602 Native]

Remember Cheese, this is the same guy complaining Monte hasn’t drafted a rookie of the year or All-Pro.
He will fall back on how good Kyler is, but it should be WAS.

Pro Bowler

Please know the difference

 

[slanidrac16]

Pro Bowler

Please know the difference

Wow getting a little touchy are we?

 

[GatorAZ]

Kyler threw a mediocre ball to McBride that should’ve been caught for a TD. I think we can all agree on that. QB’ing is hard, you can’t run down the field and hand it off to the WR exactly where he wants it. Trey is our best player but he needed to make that play.

 

[602 Native]

Wow getting a little touchy are we?

Slan: I’m going to misrepresent what you say

Me: Don’t do that

Slan: You are so touchy

LOL

You guys are hilarious

 

[AZCB34]

You might want to tell Trey McBride that since he got up after immediately screaming at the refs for a flag. He wasn't saying being hit in the helmet was a penalty he was saying he was held on coming out of his break.

The announcers mentioned it too. I don't think the ball was in the air when 3 grabbed him which is why I'm saying holding not PI. Your pic shows it with the ball in the air

Trey wants a flag thrown when he is getting sliced turkey out of his fridge and his wife/girlfriend bumps into him.

 

[Chopper0080]

Trey himself after the game said it would have been a TD but he was late getting around because the guy covering him grabbed him as he was turning to cut outside. I don't have the video to look at the timing of that grab to when Kyler threw the ball but that's what Trey said after the game, I was a beat slow getting my head around because of the contact

Which is why it was a bad throw. As a QB you can’t ignore your receiver having to play thru contact. Kyler has to wait a beat or throw it lower so even a miss just ends in an incompletion. We all know if you miss high in the middle of the field, bad things can happen.

 

[D-Dogg]

lol I have read the board since yesterday, and all I've seen are posts knocking Kyler for it and 602 remaining silent about it because it doesn't fit the narrative. It's been discussed to death and Kyler has been crucified with it.

I thought you were talking about the play early early in the season.

 

[slanidrac16]

Slan: I’m going to misrepresent what you say

Me: Don’t do that

Slan: You are so touchy

LOL

You guys are hilarious

Well it appears I’m grouped with a fine bunch.

 

[Russ Smith]

But if it's low and outside it's not an interception.

ARe you watching the Washington game? Deep crossing pattern over the middle hits the WR in the helmet. I guarantee you Washington fans aren't blaming Jayden Daniels right now for not throwing the ball low and outside.

the INT part is a fluke because it hit off the helmet and bounced up. He literally hit the TE in the head and you're saying it's not an accurate throw?