Kyler Murray Debate Thread

[Stout]

He wasn't as bad for sure, made some nice passes, and overall would have been a reasonable game, if he just wasn't so bad in clutch situations.

The INT late in the 4th was dumb (again) and the defense saved his ass and gave him another chance and again he blew his lines. That pass was a terrible pass. It was far too inside for that route, if anything it should be leading him outside so he has to reach for it. The bounce was unlucky, but that was an EASY TD for the win and he fluffed his lines again.

The deep INT was just fine. It was fourth down and much better than an incompletion. Unless he had someone else open to get the first down, that is.

 

[BritCard]

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[602 Native]

The last play isn’t where this game was lost. Fluke play where McBride was held and the ball took an unlucky bounce.

It was when we scored 0 pts in the first half. Total offensive ineptitude.

 

[602 Native]

Or from Checkdown Charlie.

K1 threw for 300+ yards yesterday. The problem was our red zone offense again.

 

[BritCard]

The deep INT was just fine. It was fourth down and much better than an incompletion. Unless he had someone else open to get the first down, that is.

The throw in the situation is just fine but he had an obvious overload on the left side and did nothing about it. He created the situation.

This is the kind of crap Kyler gets away with because he avoids the sack. They rush nothing to the right and just overload the left, and it's not even disguised. Kyler should be shifting the protection to the left and he doesn't, so we end up with a guard doing nothing with the left side has an extra guy.

Not only that but he rolls out towards the side with only 1 route and away from the 3 routes.

What Joe Burrow or Justin Herbert does here is slide the protection left, shift in the pocket to his right away from potential pressure and finds one of the 3 routes he has on that side.

The arm punt is a consequence of him being crap before the snap.

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[82CardsGrad]

The throw in the situation is just fine but he had an obvious overload on the left side and did nothing about it. He created the situation.

This is the kind of crap Kyler gets away with because he avoids the sack. They rush nothing to the right and just overload the left, and it's not even disguised. Kyler should be shifting the protection to the left and he doesn't, so we end up with a guard doing nothing with the left side has an extra guy.

Not only that but he rolls out towards the side with only 1 route and away from the 3 routes.

What Joe Burrow or Justin Herbert does here is slide the protection left, shift in the pocket to his right away from potential pressure and finds one of the 3 routes he has on that side.

The arm punt is a consequence of him being crap before the snap.

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Michael Wilson was open enough over the middle for Kyler to have thrown the ball too him, versus launch the arm punt.

 

[BritCard]

No comment needed

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[602 Native]

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[dscher]

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Nope. That's about as wide open as it gets. No vision issues either. If we have a QB this stupid or spiteful, we need to cut bait and run IMHO.

 

[BritCard]

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[BritCard]

This is basically the exact same route for the Bengals win except the the pass isn't a rocket at Higgins helmet

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[BritCard]

On the arm punt Marv is over the top. Has to stop and check back for a well under thrown pass.

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[Dr. Jones]

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The text of that tweet is super important to understand IMO.

Kyler doesn't get better with clean pockets.
Kyler doesn't slow down when the pressure rises. He shrinks. We have seen it over and over again.
Kyler doesn't look through his progressions well enough to expose the weaknesses of a defense.
Kyler doesn't make winning plays consistently enough to make the money he makes.

It's that simple. He's in the middle 11 to 17 range of NFL QB's with no signs of moving into the top 10 on a consistent basis. It's over folks. Over. Everything else is just placating at this point.

The full text:

"The O-line" "The O-line" "The O-line sucks"
Last night Kyler Murray attempted a season high 48 passes on a season high 54 drop backs. Simple math says all numbers should go up from there.

Instead, the Cardinals offensive line allowed 13 pressures for a pressure rate of 24.1%.

That is the 4th lowest rate ALL season.

Compare: Joe Burrow was sacked 7 times, on 58 drop backs. His O-line allowed 16 pressures, 27.6%.
Hell, that was a good day for the Bengals O-line.

For the season: Burrow has faced a pressure rate of 31.9%, 214 total pressures, 44 sacks
Murray, 28.4%, 165 total pressures, only 30 sacks.

Miss me with blaming the offensive line for not protecting the QB 100% of the time. No one does that!

 

[Dr. Jones]

Even Walter is "totally out".

RIP Kyler.

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[WisconsinCard]

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Exactly what I've been saying he's needs to slow down and let the play develop. He panicked and threw a missile that was a bit off target. If the ball was low and outside McBride can see it better and protect himself while making the catch.

 

[Dr. Jones]

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[WisconsinCard]

The throw in the situation is just fine but he had an obvious overload on the left side and did nothing about it. He created the situation.

This is the kind of crap Kyler gets away with because he avoids the sack. They rush nothing to the right and just overload the left, and it's not even disguised. Kyler should be shifting the protection to the left and he doesn't, so we end up with a guard doing nothing with the left side has an extra guy.

Not only that but he rolls out towards the side with only 1 route and away from the 3 routes.

What Joe Burrow or Justin Herbert does here is slide the protection left, shift in the pocket to his right away from potential pressure and finds one of the 3 routes he has on that side.

The arm punt is a consequence of him being crap before the snap.

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The problem I have with the "arm punt" is it's a low percentage/prayer throw. He still has time to stop and survey the field to look for a better option. He still could have thrown up the prayer 2 seconds later if need be.

 

[unseenaz]

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He knows he can't throw that.

BTW - I wish the standard NFL broadcast angle was wide framed like that. It's so frustrating staring at a QB and not being able to see the play develop whatsoever.

 

[Stout]

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That is fricking BRUTAL.

 

[BirdGangThing]

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[BirdGangThing]

lol seahawks twitter is so pissed off at kyler murray - they aren't blaming mcbride for the loss at all 100% kyler

 

[DVontel]

lol seahawks twitter is so pissed off at kyler murray - they aren't blaming mcbride for the loss at all 100% kyler

They should place their anger at their own team losing to an awful Giants team at home.

 

[kerouac9]

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I get this argument but getting pressured on one in four throws is bad and the Bengals OL is bad.

 

[DVontel]

We all know Kyler is mediocre but seeing that clown Chuck Harris posted in here for anything is trash.

 

[Chopper0080]

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Gonna take Steve Smith’s take on this over Cam Cox.