Kyler Murray Debate Thread

[Crimson Warrior]

Oh I didn't know you were comparing to K1. Well then I love Herbert then. He's an over .500 QB. Your dude needs to win like 15 games next year to match his record.

Anyone still defending and/or driving the K1 brigade is either a relative, his mom, or his girlfriend, cuz his play on the field doesn't deserve it .

What about just like a regular friend?

I sent K1 a Facebook friend request like 18 months ago, and I'm sure he's going to add me to his friends list any day. Prolly just super busy...

 

[SoonerLou]

Anymore Herbert fans in here?

Kinda OT

Lamar Jackson has Greg Roman as his OC. Struggles to throw for 3000 yards his last 3 years and 18 tds his last two years. No team wants to trade for him. They hire Todd Monken.

Justin Herbert is efficient, but Greg Roman's gameplan comes apart in the playoffs again.

Kyler hasn't earned the right to be on Lamar and even Herbert's level. I'm just saying its easy to tell early if there is an absolute ceiling on a QB/OC combination.

Jim is going to have to change OCs if Herbert is to ever reach his potential.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Bateman was the number one before Flowers and proved he couldn’t carry the spot. Last year was Zays rookie year and this year proved he is the one.

Who cares what talking heads say watch the games.

Lamar has always been great despite what fans think here.

Bateman and Flowers are absolutely an elite duo in the League only behind Cincinnati and Minnesota. In any other offense they would be top two if not 1.

lol. This is an epically bad take.

 

[Cheesebeef]

lol. This is an epically bad take.

Come on Ouchie. Flowers and Bateman are definitely better than…

Tyreek Hill and Jaylen Waddle, AJ Brown and Devonta Smith, Amon-St-Ra and Jameson Williams, Nico Collins and Stefon Diggs, DK Metcalf and Nigba, Garrett Wilson and Davante Adams, and Drake London and Darnell Money… amongst arguably others.

EVERYONE knows that!

 

[AZCB34]

Anymore Herbert fans in here?

I would call you an idiot but that is against the board rules

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Kinda OT

Lamar Jackson has Greg Roman as his OC. Struggles to throw for 3000 yards his last 3 years and 18 tds his last two years. No team wants to trade for him. They hire Todd Monken.

Justin Herbert is efficient, but Greg Roman's gameplan comes apart in the playoffs again.

Kyler hasn't earned the right to be on Lamar and even Herbert's level. I'm just saying its easy to tell early if there is an absolute ceiling on a QB/OC combination.

Jim is going to have to change OCs if Herbert is to ever reach his potential.

Very measured take

 

[602 Native]

The Herbert fans are totally undone tonight.

Every excuse is no different than K1.

LOL

 

[Stout]

The Herbert fans are totally undone tonight.

Every excuse is no different than K1.

LOL

If Herbert stinks then Kyler is the dog crap you scrape off the bottom of your shoe before going inside.

 

[WisconsinCard]

The Herbert fans are totally undone tonight.

Every excuse is no different than K1.

LOL

You came a trolling in and asked a silly question. Now you say...oh crap nevermind.

 

[602 Native]

You came a trolling in and asked a silly question. Now you say...oh crap nevermind.

Nope just exposing the total hypocrisy of the board and K1.

- Herberts won 11 games
- Herbert doesn’t have receivers
- Herbert needs a new offensive coordinator

The two dudes are no different.

 

[Stout]

Nope just exposing the total hypocrisy of the board and K1.

- Herberts won 11 games
- Herbert doesn’t have receivers
- Herbert needs a new offensive coordinator

The two dudes are no different.

No different? Man, you do love to think more about K1 than is actually true. I see you didn't see the response about Kyler needing to win 15 games next season to catch up. But, then, Herbert would also need to lose all the games to draw them even, wouldn't he? lol

 

[WisconsinCard]

Nope just exposing the total hypocrisy of the board and K1.

- Herberts won 11 games
- Herbert doesn’t have receivers
- Herbert needs a new offensive coordinator

The two dudes are no different.

Can you at least admit that you're bias towards "the choker"? Your words

No one in their right mind would choose K1 over Herbert. That's just a ridiculous take.

 

[WisconsinCard]

No different? Man, you do love to think more about K1 than is actually true. I see you didn't see the response about Kyler needing to win 15 games next season to catch up. But, then, Herbert would also need to lose all the games to draw them even, wouldn't he? lol

No that just gets K1 to .500. Herbert would have to go about .500. but come on man nobody can compare those twos stats side by side and say K1 is better at anything than JH. Not even running the ball because K1 doesn't do it enough to make it a huge factor.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Acting there's some vast difference between the two is a little silly, but the obvious difference between Kyler and Herbert is K1's elite mobility.

If Murray could learn to optimize his ability to impact games with his legs (maybe DP is a factor here too), especially in critical situations, he could eclipse Herbert on the QB power rankings chart.

 

[Stout]

Acting there's some vast difference between the two is a little silly, but the obvious difference between Kyler and Herbert is K1's elite mobility.

If Murray could learn to optimize his ability to impact games with his legs (maybe DP is a factor here too), especially in critical situations, he could eclipse Herbert on the QB power rankings chart.

This alone would not be enough for him to be better than Herbert. Not saying it's as silly as a Mahommey comparison, but it is no comparison. Herbert is better than Kyler.

 

[602 Native]

No different? Man, you do love to think more about K1 than is actually true. I see you didn't see the response about Kyler needing to win 15 games next season to catch up. But, then, Herbert would also need to lose all the games to draw them even, wouldn't he? lol

They both are .500 QBs that gag during big games. K1 has had 6 years in the league while Herbert has had 5.

The board somehow thinks that Herbert is some how head and shoulders above K1 which ain’t provable on any level.

Can you at least admit that you're bias towards "the choker"? Your words

No one in their right mind would choose K1 over Herbert. That's just a ridiculous take.

I absolutely have a bias towards K1. That doesn’t have anything to do with seeing that Herbert is no different of a QB.

Oh wait Herbert is tall and has an amazing arm that throws the prettiest incompletions you will ever see.

After throwing 4 picks with 2 of them for TDs in a playoff game no less I don’t know how many will say Herbert is a lock over K1.

We will see if Harbaugh keeps Herbert. I’m guessing he wont long term.

 

[DVontel]

I like Herbert a lot

He’s better than Kyler

I would take him on this team over Kyler


We would be grilling Herbert hard after meh playoff performances & being on the opposite end of a 27 point comeback after the opposing QB threw 4 INTs —and— a 4 INT game. Neither are ALL his fault, but yea, let’s be real.

 

[b8rtm8nn]

We will see if Harbaugh keeps Herbert. I’m guessing he wont long term.

I think Gannon and Harbaugh will take similar approaches and see if next year, they can get their QB over the hump in these situations, if not, they move on. Peyton Manning had the choker reputation until he played under Dungy, if I recall, so some coaches may think this may be a fixable issue.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Can you at least admit that you're bias towards "the choker"? Your words

No one in their right mind would choose K1 over Herbert. That's just a ridiculous take.

Of course I'm biased towards Murray WC!

He's got the redbird on the side of helmet! Dig?

 

[WisconsinCard]

They both are .500 QBs that gag during big games. K1 has had 6 years in the league while Herbert has had 5.

The board somehow thinks that Herbert is some how head and shoulders above K1 which ain’t provable on any level.



I absolutely have a bias towards K1. That doesn’t have anything to do with seeing that Herbert is no different of a QB.

Oh wait Herbert is tall and has an amazing arm that throws the prettiest incompletions you will ever see.

After throwing 4 picks with 2 of them for TDs in a playoff game no less I don’t know how many will say Herbert is a lock over K1.

We will see if Harbaugh keeps Herbert. I’m guessing he wont long term.

K1 is not a .500 QB. He's nine games below that mark. JH has thrown for over 4000 yards once, over 4500 yards once, and 5000 yards once. K1 best year is 3900 yards. JH has 137 TDs with 45 ints. K1 has 115 and 57 ints. It's not even close.

 

[WisconsinCard]

Of course I'm biased towards Murray WC!

He's got the redbird on the side of helmet! Dig?

Not its way beyond that for some. You will at least criticize K1 when he plays bad. Some make outlandish claims, and TBH I think some do it but don't believe what they are typing, or don't want to admit they are possibly wrong about him

 

[602 Native]

I think Gannon and Harbaugh will take similar approaches and see if next year, they can get their QB over the hump in these situations, if not, they move on. Peyton Manning had the choker reputation until he played under Dungy, if I recall, so some coaches may think this may be a fixable issue.

100%

And rightly so. They both suffer from the problem. They can put up big numbers when the lights aren’t the brightest and shrink when the pressure is on.

I think Harbaugh will have way less patience but he can also spot QB talent later in the draft. Don’t think that is something that JG or MO can do.

I just hope the Cards come out firing next season so we won’t have to have this conversation again. Winning cures lots of issues.

 

[602 Native]

K1 is not a .500 QB. He's nine games below that mark. JH has thrown for over 4000 yards once, over 4500 yards once, and 5000 yards once. K1 best year is 3900 yards. JH has 137 TDs with 45 ints. K1 has 115 and 57 ints. It's not even close.

Oh noes K1 is 9 games under and Herbert is just over.
You’re trying too hard neither have records worth talking about is the point. They aren’t consistent winners.

Man, only if K1 had other weapons than just throwing the ball.
Dude is a stiff outside the pocket.

 

[82CardsGrad]

I just hope the Cards come out firing next season so we won’t have to have this conversation again. Winning cures lots of issues.

Cards came out firing this season and, right on que, Kyler led the team into the basement yet again.

 

[602 Native]

Cards came out firing this season and, right on que, Kyler led the team into the basement yet again.

They didn’t though.

Their start was 2-4 what are you talking about?