Kyler Murray Debate Thread

[Chopper0080]

I'm lost. I thought we were discussing the talent AROUND the QB? The reason Cincy has more TD's per game is Burrow is MUCH better than Darnold.

If you put Burrow on Minnesota their offensive stats would jump markedly IMO, and Cincy's would fall off with Darnold.

They're VERY similar in terms of personnel around the QB, the difference is one QB is way better than the other

I was told by 602 that I needed to factor in TDs because per players stats were not enough. Only reason it was added.

This was the exact quote.
"You always are in the yards kick. It is quite funny. No mention of TDs when discussing these guys."

 

[Russ Smith]

I was told by 602 that I needed to factor in TDs because per players stats were not enough. Only reason it was added.

Gotcha sorry as I said I'm lost

 

[BirdGangThing]

Don’t tell him that it blows up his slanted narrative that he refuses to even acknowledge.

you're confusing slanted narratives with main narratives - it's okay though

 

[Chopper0080]

Gotcha sorry as I said I'm lost

It's understandable when confronted with vibes based rankings.

 

[football karma]

more analytics fun for QBs

the good news:

Kyler at #13 overall. Teams can win and go to the playoffs with that level of QB play.

The bad / interesting: his EPA in the first three quarters is good, and then goes down (17th overall) in the fourth. Not terrible, but not good. Its not fatal and other higher rated QBs have this too (Goff, Burrow

I think if you combine this with the progression chart -- the narrative emerges: by Q4, the defense has seen enough of the game plan to take away the 1st read. This puts Kyler way more often in checkdown or scramble mode.

the other narrative is this: when winning in Q4 -- the team runs or throws short. When losing in Q4 and no threat of a running game, Petzings offense doesnt have easy answers.

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[602 Native]

I was told by 602 that I needed to factor in TDs because per players stats were not enough. Only reason it was added.

This was the exact quote.
"You always are in the yards kick. It is quite funny. No mention of TDs when discussing these guys."

Nothing in that post helps your cause but that is on brand.

 

[602 Native]

I added TDs just for you. If you want to generate some comprehensive statistical breakdown to prove me wrong, go ahead. Do the work. To this point, my "selective stats" seem to be lapping your vibe based ranking system.

Or you just used the last 2 years instead of total stats. Both of which Hock got hurt in.

You aren't better than that so its typical.

LOL

 

[Chopper0080]

Or you just used the last 2 years instead of total stats. Both of which Hock got hurt in.

You aren't better than that so its typical.

LOL

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[602 Native]

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If only this were true.