Kyler Murray entering Draft

[az jam]

IMO Cards need to take a hard look at Murray. They are in a great position with the number one pick. Going to be very interesting news between now and the draft.

 

[BW52]

Why is it so hard to understand that Cards will give Rosen more chances to succeed with a better situation? Wanting to dump Rosen and draft a short QB ( hoping he will be Russell Wilson 2.0) is bordering on asinine.KISS(keep it simple stupid) Draft Bosa #1 then go from there.Fix the O-line,get another NFl quality WR,LBs,etc.

 

[Dr. Jones]

DJ I call it foolish.You and your buds are hoping that Murray will turn out to be Russell Wilson version 2.Most likely the odds are that Murray will have a Doug Flutie like Career.Thats more likely to happen more than RW version2.You and your buds say the NFL is changing...one fact still remains...…..When you have a chance to draft the best player on the board(Nick Bosa) you make that pick.Taking a chance that a short QB will turn into a Pro-Bowl QB in a few years compared to a player who is ready to start and has solid attributes and skills with Pro-Bowl potential immediately at a position of need is the smart move.

Couple things.

I've been watching football for 40 years now. Not saying that's a long time but it is what it is. And there have been many comparisons made like Flutie, Wilson, & Vick, but honestly......Murray is a unicorn. That Completion %. with over 85% of his passes from the pocket with only 5 batted down. Showing up huge on the biggest of stages.... Even in losses. Father was a pro-athlete..... and finally.... He is a Texas High School Football legend. The big stages have surrounded this kid his entire teenage life. Also.... Go watch him lead Allen to the state title as a 15 year old in front of 54k people in Cowboys stadium. It is an amazing 16 minutes of youtube footage.

Combine all of that with his upper echelon speed, scintillating passing numbers, and familiarity with what Kingsbury will want to do makes him an absolute unicorn.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Can you list the failures? The 5'10" QBs given a real chance?

Honest question...

Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using Tapatalk

Ron, what I think Krang and BW52 may be ignoring is that Murray is far and away the most physically-gifted 5 10 player ever to attempt to play in the NFL, and that he's far and away the most skilled QB at 5 10 ever to try to play in the in NFL. It's not even close on either count.

The pro-Murray group is not denying the lack of past success for short QBs.

What we're saying is that (we think, we believe) Murray is going to break that trend in game-changing, franchise-elevating fashion.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

Google "History of NFL"

Look at championship QBs.

Look at height.

So you can't list the failures, that were given an honest chance.

Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using Tapatalk

 

[RON_IN_OC]

How many 5`10 QBs have been hyped as potential top picks?How many have been slo
bbered , buttkissed,drooled over and have been said to "revolutionize the NFL"?There is a reason there aren`t many 5`10 QBs in the NFL.TYry and figure that out ?

Again, how many have been given an honest chance?

Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using Tapatalk

 

[BW52]

Ron, what I think you (and Krang and BW52) may be ignoring is that Murray is far and away the most physically-gifted 5 10 player ever to attempt to play in the NFL, and that he's far and away the most skilled QB at 5 10 ever to try to play in the in NFL. It's not even close on either count.

The pro-Murray group is not denying the lack of past success for short QBs.

What we're saying is that (we think, we believe) Murray is going to break that trend in game-changing, franchise-elevating fashion.

SO is he going to play QB or RB? Physical skills mean that he can dance around outside the pocket because he has to be able to see his throwing lanes...…..So its ad-lib sandlot football? Nothing wrong with a little improvisation at times but the NFL figures out a way to close those outside scampers.What I am saying is that I don`t feel Murray is going to be a game changing franchise-elevating QB.Disagree completely.

 

[BW52]

Couple things.

I've been watching football for 40 years now. Not saying that's a long time but it is what it is. And there have been many comparisons made like Flutie, Wilson, & Vick, but honestly......Murray is a unicorn. That Completion %. with over 85% of his passes from the pocket with only 5 batted down. Showing up huge on the biggest of stages.... Even in losses. Father was a pro-athlete..... and finally.... He is a Texas High School Football legend. The big stages have surrounded this kid his entire teenage life. Also.... Go watch him lead Allen to the state title as a 15 year old in front of 54k people in Cowboys stadium. It is an amazing 16 minutes of youtube footage.

Combine all of that with his upper echelon speed, scintillating passing numbers, and familiarity with what Kingsbury will want to do makes him an absolute unicorn.

I have been watching football over 50 years and people have tried to re-invent the mousetrap and the wheel and both are pretty much close to the original.I see the NFL as a huge step up from college playing against the best players in the world weekly.You are hoping for a Russell Wilson 2.0 and IMHO I just have many many doubts that will happen.You are hoping for a unicorn but I choose to draft a player who will start from day one and more than likely will be a Pro-Bowl type player (Bosa).

 

[Krangodnzr]

So you can't list the failures, that were given an honest chance.

Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using Tapatalk

No... I'm not going to do your research for you

 

[BW52]

Again, how many have been given an honest chance?

Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using Tapatalk

I will try and look that up later.Since you seem insistent.

 

[az jam]

Couple things.

I've been watching football for 40 years now. Not saying that's a long time but it is what it is. And there have been many comparisons made like Flutie, Wilson, & Vick, but honestly......Murray is a unicorn. That Completion %. with over 85% of his passes from the pocket with only 5 batted down. Showing up huge on the biggest of stages.... Even in losses. Father was a pro-athlete..... and finally.... He is a Texas High School Football legend. The big stages have surrounded this kid his entire teenage life. Also.... Go watch him lead Allen to the state title as a 15 year old in front of 54k people in Cowboys stadium. It is an amazing 16 minutes of youtube footage.

Combine all of that with his upper echelon speed, scintillating passing numbers, and familiarity with what Kingsbury will want to do makes him an absolute unicorn.

These are some very good points that you make. IMO Cards need to really look hard at Murray especially since they hired KK. I do like Josh but having the right qb can impact this team for the next 10 years.

 

[Dr. Jones]

I have been watching football over 50 years and people have tried to re-invent the mousetrap and the wheel and both are pretty much close to the original.I see the NFL as a huge step up from college playing against the best players in the world weekly.You are hoping for a Russell Wilson 2.0 and IMHO I just have many many doubts that will happen.You are hoping for a unicorn but I choose to draft a player who will start from day one and more than likely will be a Pro-Bowl type player (Bosa).

As @Cbus cardsfan has noted many times....

You dont have any issues with Bosa playing OLB in a 3-4 defense?

I would draft Bosa also, and would probably be fine if we go that way (albeit a bit dissapointed at our lack of balls), but I think it should bring you a bit of concern. Allen or Williams are the more natural fits to our scheme and style.

 

[Krangodnzr]

These are some very good points that you make. IMO Cards need to really look hard at Murray especially since they hired KK. I do like Josh but having the right qb can impact this team for the next 10 years.

The Kingsbury Murray connection is a stretch. He played in a similar offense in college, but Rosen also did at times as well.

Air raid doesn't require a running qb

 

[BW52]

These are some very good points that you make. IMO Cards need to really look hard at Murray especially since they hired KK. I do like Josh but having the right qb can impact this team for the next 10 years.

Drafting a 5`10 QB and him turning into a franchise QB is a lot less likely to happen than drafting the top defensive player(Bosa) who can be a Pro-Bowl DE.If somehow Sk gets stupid and trades Rosen and drafts Murray and Murray likely fails to take the franchise to winning ways and fails to become a franchise QBhow bad will that screw up the franchise? It is beyond foolish to give up on a round 1 QbB (Rosen) after 1 season to buy into the Murray hype train and start all over.

 

[BW52]

As @Cbus cardsfan has noted many times....

You dont have any issues with Bosa playing OLB in a 3-4 defense?

I would draft Bosa also, and would probably be fine if we go that way (albeit a bit dissapointed at our lack of balls), but I think it should bring you a bit of concern. Allen or Williams are the more natural fits to our scheme and style.

I don`t have any problems with Bosa at DE.Josh Allen to me is a passrusher who is barely adequate at run defense,Quinnen Williams is a penetrating DT who could be DE but NFL.com raises questions about QW holding up versus bigger stronger NFl linemen.Bosa has good strength,strong hands and great technique (NFL.com).

 

[az jam]

We don't know what direction the Cards will go but its really good to have lots of options and the Cards have that for sure with the number one pick. It's exciting and fun to debate this.

 

[Buckybird]

I have been watching football over 50 years and people have tried to re-invent the mousetrap and the wheel and both are pretty much close to the original.I see the NFL as a huge step up from college playing against the best players in the world weekly.You are hoping for a Russell Wilson 2.0 and IMHO I just have many many doubts that will happen.You are hoping for a unicorn but I choose to draft a player who will start from day one and more than likely will be a Pro-Bowl type player (Bosa).

It’s cool your opinion.

I like Allen better than Bosa & like Oliver better than Williams at the NFL level.

We all see different things with our eyes that’s what makes us all unique individuals. You like vanilla ice cream, I like coffee ice cream lol

 

[MadCardDisease]

Again, how many have been given an honest chance?

Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using Tapatalk

All I know is there isn't many under 6'. Here is the QBs from 2017:

https://gooddeedseats.com/all-starting-nfl-quarterback-heights/

 

[MadCardDisease]

So you can't list the failures, that were given an honest chance.

Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using Tapatalk

How many 6' centers have been given an honest chance in the NBA? None because it is ridiculous.

 

[TJ]

It’s cool your opinion.

I like Allen better than Bosa & like Oliver better than Williams at the NFL level.

We all see different things with our eyes that’s what makes us all unique individuals. You like vanilla ice cream, I like coffee ice cream lol

Coffee ice cream? You just went down a couple of notches in my book.

 

[DVontel]

Josh Allen is closer to Anthony Barr than he is Khalil Mack.

That is not a #1 pick in the slightest.

Imagine actually giving a damn how he is in coverage. No one cares about Von, Mack, Chandler, or Clowney is in coverage.

 

[slanidrac16]

Lamar Jackson came into the league and was dubbed strong arm, slender, a great runner but questionable accuracy issues. He we went 6-3. Comparably Murray is better in every comparison except he’s 3 or 4 inches shorter. This thing is getting legs. If someone offers the Cardinals their 1st round pick in this years draft I believe Murray will be our first pick. Whether we agree with it or not.

 

[Shane]

Shortest QB measured since 2003, Doesn’t have a killer instinct and willing to go out there and throw under pressure and show what he’s got. Isn’t truly committed to football and any sign of trouble or tripping up in the NFL can very likely just quit and go back to baseball.... Anyone taking this kid high in the 1st has lost their mind.

 

[Shane]

Josh Allen is closer to Anthony Barr than he is Khalil Mack.

That is not a #1 pick in the slightest.

Imagine actually giving a damn how he is in coverage. No one cares about Von, Mack, Chandler, or Clowney is in coverage.

You forgot the IMO. Many experts do not agree with your assessment

 

[DVontel]

You forgot the IMO. Many experts do not agree with your assessment

I mean, it’s my opinion regardless. “Experts” be wrong, too. Difference is they just get paid.