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Thats awesome lol i think it should be bring back McCoy Holcomb and Wilks!
Kyler Murray Shouldn't Have been Our Pick.... Deep Hatred Thread
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To say he's played very well is a reach IMHO. The tape says otherwise outside of a few quarters of play where he did play well. If the goal posts have been moved to now "he's done ok overall for a random rookie" then I can agree with that assessment. That's a lot different though then what the hype machine was selling.
Today he showed EXACTLY why I did not want him on this team. Every time he dropped back it looked like as soon as he saw his first option wasn't open he wanted to run. That is a bad omen. Like I said before and what has been proven time and time again, these types of QBs don't win in the NFL. Sure they can pull a few games out and look great doing it but they will never be a solid winning QB. It baffles me that so many coaches and GMs ignore history and continue to draft these athletic running QBs. Just take a look at the most successful QBs. Most of them are are not very athletic. When you don't have as much athleticism it forces you to become a better passer, a smarter QB. When you have the athleticism of a Kyler Murray you have that secondary emergency valve of taking off and using your feet. Sure that would be great to have both but that is extremely rare... to the point of almost non-existent. When you have that secondary go to plan you never really hone your skills as a passer. That spells big trouble in the pros. Tom fricking Brady, probably the least athletic guy to ever play in the NFL just happens to also be the greatest player the league has ever seen. Greatest ever and non-athletic. Those two things are not mutually exclusive. Now I am not saying go get the least athletic person you can find. I am just saying that the really good athlete is one you probably want to stay away from as a franchise QB.
The other thing I can't agree with is the D had anything to do with the Cards only being able to put up 20 pts on offense. You can't put up just 20 pts and expect to win a game unless you are playing a bad team offense or have a stellar defense. So while the D wasn't giving us a good chance to win by allowing 38, the offense didn't do enough even if the D had kept a couple scores off the board.
The time of possession was split basically down the middle. If our D was giving up clock chewing drives every time where we only had the ball for 15 or 20 mins then you could say the D impeded the offense. But our whole goal this year was the fix the offense first and foremost, hence our draft and hiring.
Is it a work in progress, of course. Better than last year, how could it not be. But is it anything special so far, no.
My biggest concern is not KM. I think he can be serviceable, and perhaps he can even be as good as advertised with the right pieces around him. My bigger concern is that KK turns out to be who a lot of thought he would be. Someone who is committed to a simplistic, rigid offensive philosophy that does not translate to the pro level where you can't exploit big talent gaps and lack of complex defensive schemes by overloading the defense with wide receivers on nearly every down.
The great teams are out there playing chess on offense. We are lining up, telegraphing each play and expect they cannot defend it. Sometimes it does pay off for chunk gains, no doubt. But it's kind of like the person playing the slots banking on the jackpot to be what puts them ahead at the end of the night.
If Murray had more time would the results be better, I'd hope so, but I still don't think they would rival the output of the better offenses today.
The time of possession was split basically down the middle. If our D was giving up clock chewing drives every time where we only had the ball for 15 or 20 mins then you could say the D impeded the offense. But our whole goal this year was the fix the offense first and foremost, hence our draft and hiring.
Is it a work in progress, of course. Better than last year, how could it not be. But is it anything special so far, no.
My biggest concern is not KM. I think he can be serviceable, and perhaps he can even be as good as advertised with the right pieces around him. My bigger concern is that KK turns out to be who a lot of thought he would be. Someone who is committed to a simplistic, rigid offensive philosophy that does not translate to the pro level where you can't exploit big talent gaps and lack of complex defensive schemes by overloading the defense with wide receivers on nearly every down.
The great teams are out there playing chess on offense. We are lining up, telegraphing each play and expect they cannot defend it. Sometimes it does pay off for chunk gains, no doubt. But it's kind of like the person playing the slots banking on the jackpot to be what puts them ahead at the end of the night.
If Murray had more time would the results be better, I'd hope so, but I still don't think they would rival the output of the better offenses today.
Solar7
Go Suns
Dumb to call out someone as a troll for feeling bad about a game, but...
Chill guys. I didn't get to see every snap of today's game, but he's a rookie. Our head coach is a rookie. Our GM should be fired soon, which leaves the franchise in a weird spot.
I didn't want him as our QB, but he has some moments, and he still has a ton of athletic talent. There had been a lot of insistence that we were ready to win now in some sense, or that Kyler could overtake bad blocking, but the poor kid is getting killed behind a line already missing its RT, and struggling to fill a meaningful roster. (Not to pat myself on the back, but I'll remind you guys... four years of drafts before this one manufactured THREE starters.)
This year is going to be rough, Kyler's gonna get hit, and I hope it's not bad enough for some terrible things that affect his confidence.
We're a long way from success, and it's unpleasant to be staring down what's likely a winless 1st quarter of the season, but this is what we should have been preparing ourselves for.
Great take Solar...
My expectations were low to start this season so I'm not at a loss by any of this. I don't want to beat a dead horse but I think the KK hire was way more questionable than taking Murray #1. I think SK needs to go before this team starts rebuilding in the right direction.
Ie don't see KK having a high end offense unless he is a quick study and changes around his philosophy. Unfortunately though I don't think we have the pieces to do it even if he was capable.
We don't have a quality TE to create matchup benefits in the passing game, we have DJ and DJ lite for RBs, which are unfortunately more effective as receivers than runners and we still haven't fielded a quality oline.
We can't run the ball worth a squat so we go in 10 and 0 personnel with a below avg oline and watch KM have to make quick throws or pray for a little protection and busted coverage, and sprinkle in KM running for his life and taking sacks.
How many coaches and coordinators do you have to go thru before you realize the problem might be you for not acquiring the right players and staff.
My expectations were low to start this season so I'm not at a loss by any of this. I don't want to beat a dead horse but I think the KK hire was way more questionable than taking Murray #1. I think SK needs to go before this team starts rebuilding in the right direction.
Ie don't see KK having a high end offense unless he is a quick study and changes around his philosophy. Unfortunately though I don't think we have the pieces to do it even if he was capable.
We don't have a quality TE to create matchup benefits in the passing game, we have DJ and DJ lite for RBs, which are unfortunately more effective as receivers than runners and we still haven't fielded a quality oline.
We can't run the ball worth a squat so we go in 10 and 0 personnel with a below avg oline and watch KM have to make quick throws or pray for a little protection and busted coverage, and sprinkle in KM running for his life and taking sacks.
How many coaches and coordinators do you have to go thru before you realize the problem might be you for not acquiring the right players and staff.
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