Larry Foote is scheduled for a Visit

[kerouac9]

I don't see Williams being there when we draft as most have him going in the top 20. However I do think that Cody will be there and we should take him. But the Cards scouting staff (obviously) will have more information on him then we do.

The thing is that NTs still seem to fall on draft day. Alan Branch (although he's proved to be a DE) was supposed to be a Top 15 pick, ended up going 33. Vince Wilfork was considered a Top 15 pick and ended up going 24. Jimmy Kennedy was supposedly a can't miss DT but he slipped down to 14th overall.

Why did Jimmy Kennedy slip? Because he wasn't viewed as a pass rush threat, but people convinced themselves that Dewayne Robertson and Jonathan Sullivan were. Because it's a passing league, GMs get nervous spending a high pick on a player that's going to average 3 sacks per season for his career if he's playing at a Pro Bowl level.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

I'm starting to turn on this, and I think that Cards fans might want to brace themselves for it, as well. With Fred Robbins being signed by the Rams today, I think that we really might see the Cards drafting either Terrance Cody (ALA) or Dan Williams (TENN) in the first, and then picking up Jerry Hughes (TCU), Brandon Spikes (FLA), Navarro Bowman (Penn St.), Daryl Washington (TCU), Eric Norwood (South Carolina), Koa Misi (Utah), or Sean Lee (Penn St.) in the second round. The Cards do have the ammunition to move up in the second round if they have to and there's a run on the position.

There's just nothing out there now at the NT position, and the Cards are in trouble if they go into the season with only Watson and (maybe) Robinson manning the position again.

I agree with this.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Just don't think, at this point, that they'd leave Weatherspoon on the board.

The DT/Nose part of the draft is at least 5 deep, and we can always grab a Jimmy Kennedy in the interim.

And, as you say - we can always package ourselves up in the second round where perhaps Cody could drop.

I like Weatherspoon as well but I think everyone is getting a little too amped up because he was boisterous at the combine. He seems to have a great attitude and the fire I have been wanting out of Dansby, but in this draft it goes McClain and then everyone else at the ILB position.

K9's right. We need more talent at the nose and then I really like Washington in the second. The inconsistency in our defense can be traced to the inconsistency at the point of attack IMO.

 

[CtCardinals78]

I'm starting to turn on this, and I think that Cards fans might want to brace themselves for it, as well. With Fred Robbins being signed by the Rams today, I think that we really might see the Cards drafting either Terrance Cody (ALA) or Dan Williams (TENN) in the first, and then picking up Jerry Hughes (TCU), Brandon Spikes (FLA), Navarro Bowman (Penn St.), Daryl Washington (TCU), Eric Norwood (South Carolina), Koa Misi (Utah), or Sean Lee (Penn St.) in the second round. The Cards do have the ammunition to move up in the second round if they have to and there's a run on the position.

There's just nothing out there now at the NT position, and the Cards are in trouble if they go into the season with only Watson and (maybe) Robinson manning the position again.

I don't think snagging Williams in the first and Eric Norwood in the second would be all that bad. Norwood is drawing some comparrisons to James Harrison and would fit into the 3-4 system well.

 

[az jam]

The thing is that NTs still seem to fall on draft day. Alan Branch (although he's proved to be a DE) was supposed to be a Top 15 pick, ended up going 33. Vince Wilfork was considered a Top 15 pick and ended up going 24. Jimmy Kennedy was supposedly a can't miss DT but he slipped down to 14th overall.

Why did Jimmy Kennedy slip? Because he wasn't viewed as a pass rush threat, but people convinced themselves that Dewayne Robertson and Jonathan Sullivan were. Because it's a passing league, GMs get nervous spending a high pick on a player that's going to average 3 sacks per season for his career if he's playing at a Pro Bowl level.

Hope you are right, I would love to see Williams and Cody both at #26.

 

[Hypothesis]

Hope you are right, I would love to see Williams and Cody both at #26.

I would be ecstatic if either were there at #26. I just don't see it. Every team running a 3-4 may just grab them, with the exception of Dallas. Buffalo and Washington are switching to the 3-4...Denver doesn't have a real solution at NT, nor does K.C....Pittsburgh, Cleveland, NY Jets all have aging NT's with aging backups...and every team that runs a 3-4 knows the value of a stud NT. San Diego cut their starter and Miami's NT just got suspended for half the season.

If either Williams or Cody make it to #26, no doubt in my mind you take em. There are plenty of capable ILB in this draft and any ILB we get will perform all the better with a stud NT.

 

[kerouac9]

I would be ecstatic if either were there at #26. I just don't see it. Every team running a 3-4 may just grab them, with the exception of Dallas. Buffalo and Washington are switching to the 3-4...Denver doesn't have a real solution at NT, nor does K.C....Pittsburgh, Cleveland, NY Jets all have aging NT's with aging backups...and every team that runs a 3-4 knows the value of a stud NT. San Diego cut their starter and Miami's NT just got suspended for half the season.

If either Williams or Cody make it to #26, no doubt in my mind you take em. There are plenty of capable ILB in this draft and any ILB we get will perform all the better with a stud NT.

Honestly, I don't think you know what you're talking about. Shaun Rogers in Cleveland is 30, and NTs regularly play into their mid- to late-30s. The Steelers just signed Casey Hampton to a four-year contract. Vince Wilfork was just re-signed to a record deal. Buffalo has Marcus Stroud to play the nose. Washington has Albert Haynesworth (they said he'll play the position for them. With the Jets, Sione Pouha is the backup, and he's only 31. In front of him is Kris Jenkins, who is 30.

San Diego needs help at OL and running back, and with Ian Scott San Diego managed to get a first-round bye. Miami needs a WR in a pretty bad way. The Dolphins have been grooming Paul Soliai for two years to take over for Ferguson, and he had 5 starts last season.

 

[binkar]

If we did grab a linebacker at 26, I would love to get Cam Thomas in the second round. I really like him. Don't think he will be there though.

 

[Chopper0080]

Honestly, I don't think you know what you're talking about. Shaun Rogers in Cleveland is 30, and NTs regularly play into their mid- to late-30s. The Steelers just signed Casey Hampton to a four-year contract. Vince Wilfork was just re-signed to a record deal. Buffalo has Marcus Stroud to play the nose. Washington has Albert Haynesworth (they said he'll play the position for them. With the Jets, Sione Pouha is the backup, and he's only 31. In front of him is Kris Jenkins, who is 30.

San Diego needs help at OL and running back, and with Ian Scott San Diego managed to get a first-round bye. Miami needs a WR in a pretty bad way. The Dolphins have been grooming Paul Soliai for two years to take over for Ferguson, and he had 5 starts last season.

I am pretty sure that Cody will be on the table when we pick, but I doubt Dan Williams will be. Denver, Miami, & Pittsburgh are legit candidates. Denver has nothing at the NT position, Miami lost Ferguson and seems to value the position, and Pittsburgh's Hampton is pretty old and the team has no real holes to fill. Other than that though, Cody is there. If that is the available choice, I hope that we trade back as he comes with substantial risk.

 

[kerouac9]

I am pretty sure that Cody will be on the table when we pick, but I doubt Dan Williams will be. Denver, Miami, & Pittsburgh are legit candidates. Denver has nothing at the NT position, Miami lost Ferguson and seems to value the position, and Pittsburgh's Hampton is pretty old and the team has no real holes to fill. Other than that though, Cody is there. If that is the available choice, I hope that we trade back as he comes with substantial risk.

I can see Denver, but they're going to have to ask themselves if the value is really there with the 11th overall pick in the draft. Would you take Williams with the 11th pick?

Pittsburgh just spent $40 million on Hampton. They're not spending another first-round pick on an NT. They do need help on the OL, and may draft one of the OTs or Iupati.

I think that Miami is the natural landing spot for either Eric Berry, Earl Thomas, or (more likely) Taylor Mays. They don't have anything at safety right now, and Parcells loves size/speed guys like Mays. And, like with Denver, they're drafting 12th overall. Does Williams really present value there? Aren't they more likely to take either one of the safeties or a wideout who can help their young QB?

 

[az jam]

I can see Denver, but they're going to have to ask themselves if the value is really there with the 11th overall pick in the draft. Would you take Williams with the 11th pick?

Pittsburgh just spent $40 million on Hampton. They're not spending another first-round pick on an NT. They do need help on the OL, and may draft one of the OTs or Iupati.

I think that Miami is the natural landing spot for either Eric Berry, Earl Thomas, or (more likely) Taylor Mays. They don't have anything at safety right now, and Parcells loves size/speed guys like Mays. And, like with Denver, they're drafting 12th overall. Does Williams really present value there? Aren't they more likely to take either one of the safeties or a wideout who can help their young QB?

Since Ryan Clark just resigned with Pittsburgh after visiting Miami it sure makes sense for them to go after one of the top safeties when they draft. I don't think that Berry will be there but Thomas and Mays should.

 

[Duckjake]

I gotta agree with K9 on this. Filling a hole at ILB in a 3-4 is do-able but we NEED a DT to make any of this work. That doesn't even count what it would do to help out DD and CC (wow never realized both DE have the same letter to start their first and last name till now...weird...). If Cody or Williams is there vs Weatherspoon, I agree...Take the NT. It's a MUCH harder position to fill.

We even had BB CC and DD playing on the same Dline at times.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

If we did grab a linebacker at 26, I would love to get Cam Thomas in the second round. I really like him. Don't think he will be there though.

That's when extra picks, allowing you to move up, come in.

 

[PoolBoy]

and for people saying Foote isn't good anymore, he had 99 tackles in 14 games last year with 2 sacks.

 

[MoeIsBetter]

and for people saying Foote isn't good anymore, he had 99 tackles in 14 games last year with 2 sacks.

Playing out of position after all his years in a 3-4.

 

[Pariah]

I'm calling my shot:

The Cardinals sign both Foote and Porter this week.

 

[PoolBoy]

I'm calling my shot:

The Cardinals sign both Foote and Porter this week.

yup. by thursday!

 

[ASUCHRIS]

I'm calling my shot:

The Cardinals sign both Foote and Porter this week.

Ha, cue the Nostradamus pic...

 

[TJ]

I'm calling my shot:

The Cardinals sign both Foote and Porter this week.

Dude don't jinx it.

 

[kerouac9]

and for people saying Foote isn't good anymore, he had 99 tackles in 14 games last year with 2 sacks.

In 2003 Ronald McKinnon had 105 tackles and 2 sacks and he was terrible. I'm not sure that making a bunch of tackles 7 yards past the line of scrimmage really qualifies you as "good."

In 1999 Pat Tillman had 92 tackles in 12 games and the Cardinals couldn't wait to replace him with Adrian Wilson as a starting safety.

 

[Shane]

In 2003 Ronald McKinnon had 105 tackles and 2 sacks and he was terrible. I'm not sure that making a bunch of tackles 7 yards past the line of scrimmage really qualifies you as "good."

In 1999 Pat Tillman had 92 tackles in 12 games and the Cardinals couldn't wait to replace him with Adrian Wilson as a starting safety.

Even if you have a Sunday ticket package I'm betting you don't view Many Lions games. If any for that matter unless the Cards are playing them. How would you have any clue how well the guy played especially in a 4-3 that he is least suited for.

 

[imaCafan]

NFL | Foote looking for contact similar to Fujita's
Tue, 09 Mar 2010 10:16:10 -0800

Jason La Canfora, of the NFL Network, reports unrestricted free-agent LB Larry Foote (Lions) is looking for a deal that exceeds what Cleveland Browns LB Scott Fujita received, according to a source. Fujita received a three-year deal worth $14 million with $8 million guaranteed.

Read more: http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl#ixzz0hhqLFlHd

 

[kerouac9]

Even if you have a Sunday ticket package I'm betting you don't view Many Lions games. If any for that matter unless the Cards are playing them. How would you have any clue how well the guy played especially in a 4-3 that he is least suited for.

I've posted it a couple of times already... probably already on this thread. But I'll say it again:

I have a good friend who knows a lot about football (more than me) and he became a Lions fan when they drafted Harrington. He watches every Lions game; he's also a Steeler fan from back in the day (family's from Western PA), so he knows Foote as a Steeler as well. Here's what he said when I asked him about Foote verbatim:

Foote did more as a "leader" type than an actual football player. He played hard, said the right things, kept a positive attitude, etc. I think Foote still has plenty in the tank as a situational guy on a good D... He could easily be a 1st and 2nd down guy. For Lions the "solid veteran" guy just kinda loses his voice a bit because there so much stinky **** going around. I think coaching staff likes him, etc... But I think Schwartz is ready to move on and try to start having Delmas become "leader" of the D and have a bunch of young guys "buy in." Consequently - I'm not sure how much value a Larry Foote has to the team anymore.

Did you watch a lot of Lions games, Shane? Did Foote jump out to you when the Cards played them? I'm not even saying that Foote sucks. What I am saying is that posting tackle stats means nothing; tons of crappy football players put up equivalent tackle stats.

 

[MoeIsBetter]

I've posted it a couple of times already... probably already on this thread. But I'll say it again:

I have a good friend who knows a lot about football (more than me) and he became a Lions fan when they drafted Harrington. He watches every Lions game; he's also a Steeler fan from back in the day (family's from Western PA), so he knows Foote as a Steeler as well. Here's what he said when I asked him about Foote verbatim:



Did you watch a lot of Lions games, Shane? Did Foote jump out to you when the Cards played them? I'm not even saying that Foote sucks. What I am saying is that posting tackle stats means nothing; tons of crappy football players put up equivalent tackle stats.

Exactly. I still think the reports about him last year are kinda void. He's a 3-4 ILB that cant handle the duties in a 4-3. That's fine. Were not asking him to be that guy. We need him to be the 3-4 guy like he was in Pitt. Now I don't think he'll be as good as he was in Pitt but I do think he'll be better than he was last year.

 

[Hypothesis]

Honestly, I don't think you know what you're talking about. Shaun Rogers in Cleveland is 30, and NTs regularly play into their mid- to late-30s. The Steelers just signed Casey Hampton to a four-year contract. Vince Wilfork was just re-signed to a record deal. Buffalo has Marcus Stroud to play the nose. Washington has Albert Haynesworth (they said he'll play the position for them. With the Jets, Sione Pouha is the backup, and he's only 31. In front of him is Kris Jenkins, who is 30.

San Diego needs help at OL and running back, and with Ian Scott San Diego managed to get a first-round bye. Miami needs a WR in a pretty bad way. The Dolphins have been grooming Paul Soliai for two years to take over for Ferguson, and he had 5 starts last season.

They may or may not be available at #26. I just personally don't think they will. However, if I am wrong and one or both are available when we pick, I'll be the first to jump up and down with joy.