Latest on possible Ariza trade

[Folster]

Except Memphis who is saying they never spoke to Phoenix.

If you go back and read the tweet, they said they never spoke to us about the reported 3 way trade. They did not deny discussing Dillon directly with us.

 

[Mainstreet]

Also MarShon Brooks was never discussed.

 

[GatorAZ]

If you go back and read the tweet, they said they never spoke to us about the reported 3 way trade. They did not deny discussing Dillon directly with us.

Yes they worded it very carefully but Woj insists that both Phoenix and Washington both discussed Dillon and not MarShon with Memphis.

Phoenix privately insisted that it had direct conversations with Memphis officials on Dillon Brooks -- not MarShon -- which Memphis flatly denied. The Grizzlies insist that they negotiated the deal through Washington GM Ernie Grunfeld, and that there had been a miscommunication to Suns interim James Jones on Memphis' assets in the deal. Washington says it believed it was Dillon, not MarShon Brooks.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25536887/washington-wizards-phoenix-suns-talks-trevor-ariza-trade

 

[AzStevenCal]

Like trades are constituted at the last minute. Do you have a link.

It was on the NBA Gametime show on NBA. They replay the show on the hour all night.

 

[Timm Rosenbach]

Sarver is making history. Fans in the valley deserve better.

 

[Phrazbit]

Whether this is our fault or not, if Ball or Fultz are actually options (even if it involved the Bucks pick) this trade would be a real waste of opportunity. I'm not wild about either player, but the risk/reward in those scenarios is off the charts.

 

[Mainstreet]

It looks like the Suns and Wizards are still in talks.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25536887/washington-wizards-phoenix-suns-talks-trevor-ariza-trade

 

[Mainstreet]

In the ESPN article it appears the Lakers and Rockets are still interested.

 

[Mainstreet]

It was on the NBA Gametime show on NBA. They replay the show on the hour all night.

I missed your post and took a nap. The fun part of this, it's not a major trade but it is getting all the media attention.

 

[devilalum]

Here's one positive from this whole mess.

Ariza and everybody in the NBA knows the Suns are trying to trade him. He wants to be traded, so there are no ill feelings involved for the Suns.

The same is not true in Washington and Memphis this morning.

 

[devilalum]

I don't get why other teams are not stepping up and making better offers?

Ariza is a known commodity and an excellent role player for any team looking to make a playoff run.

I checked. The deal that fell threw wouldn't have saved the Suns any money. So at least that's not the goal.

 

[swagron]

This is why small market teams, such as the Suns, remain small market teams. What top tier GM, head coach or free agent would sign up for this mess?
The Lakers aren’t the Suns rivals by any means...this organization is so out of touch with reality it isn’t even funny..

 

[devilalum]

This is why small market teams, such as the Suns, remain small market teams. What top tier GM, head coach or free agent would sign up for this mess?
The Lakers aren’t the Suns rivals by any means...this organization is so out of touch with reality it isn’t even funny..

True but people in AZ hate the Lakers and Sarver is already dealing with a GIANT PR disaster. Helping them win is not going to go over very well.

Any trade within your own division is messy.

 

[Mainstreet]

True but people in AZ hate the Lakers and Sarver is already dealing with a GIANT PR disaster. Helping them win is not going to go over very well.

Any trade within your own division is messy.

I think essentially handing Tyson Chandler to the Lakers in a buyout didn't help.

 

[Mainstreet]

If the Suns end up with Rivers and Oubre for Ariza, it's not a bad trade.

Having Oubre's rights as a restricted free agent might get the Suns something more in a sign and trade this summer. And Rivers is probably better than what the Suns have at point guard.

 

[swagron]

True but people in AZ hate the Lakers and Sarver is already dealing with a GIANT PR disaster. Helping them win is not going to go over very well.

Any trade within your own division is messy.

I think essentially handing Tyson Chandler to the Lakers in a buyout didn't help.

True, but the Suns should be looking at their own best interests...the Lakers shouldn’t be on their radar at all. The Fultz trade had the lowest risk, highest reward.

 

[Finito]

This is why small market teams, such as the Suns, remain small market teams. What top tier GM, head coach or free agent would sign up for this mess?
The Lakers aren’t the Suns rivals by any means...this organization is so out of touch with reality it isn’t even funny..

Small market? What is this 1997

That small market thing is a thing of the past. This is the age of Internet billionaire owners. Cleveland, OKC, Toronto, Houston, Philly hell Golden State have all had huge sucess the last 5 years while teams like LA and NY have struggled.

It has nothing to do with Market size it has to do with bad ownership. NY and Chicago huge market but there a mess because they have bad ownership. That's what it comes down to

 

[Krangodnzr]

This is why small market teams, such as the Suns, remain small market teams. What top tier GM, head coach or free agent would sign up for this mess?
The Lakers aren’t the Suns rivals by any means...this organization is so out of touch with reality it isn’t even funny..

The Suns aren't a small market team. Phoenix is a medium sized market, 12th largest metro area in the country.

 

[ColdPickleNachos]

And Rivers is probably better than what the Suns have at point guard.

Rivers is a shoot-first point guard who can't shoot. He gets 2.0 assists per game in 24 mpg. He shoots 39% from the field. He shoots 54% from the free throw line!!!

His career numbers aren't much better (2.4 apg, 42% and 64% from the line).

He's my absolute least favorite type of basketball player: A point guard who is mediocre but thinks he's great.

He's Mike James. He's Brandon Knight.

I'd rather play our young guys. They're not good either, but there's at least some hope they will be good in the future. Rivers is just as bad now and he will always be bad. Your best hope is last season with the Clippers where he shoots well enough from 3 to justify his inefficiency elsewhere. The Suns should want more.

The only thing Rivers offers is an expiring contract. If they trade for him, I sincerely hope they release him. This team is already tough enough to watch most nights.

 

[Willie D]

Small market?
It has nothing to do with Market size it has to do with bad ownership. NY and Chicago huge market but there a mess because they have bad ownership. That's what it comes down to

Qualitatively, yes. Quantitatively, no. Aren't they near the cap?

So after this full-body heave last night, we're back to square one:

Suns still don't have a PG;
Jones still looks like a Lakers toady;
Sarver is a meddling, tone dear owner;
Win total @ 15 is considered "rosy."

 

[Mainstreet]

Rivers is a shoot-first point guard who can't shoot. He gets 2.0 assists per game in 24 mpg. He shoots 39% from the field. He shoots 54% from the free throw line!!!

His career numbers aren't much better (2.4 apg, 42% and 64% from the line).

He's my absolute least favorite type of basketball player: A point guard who is mediocre but thinks he's great.

He's Mike James. He's Brandon Knight.

I'd rather play our young guys. They're not good either, but there's at least some hope they will be good in the future. Rivers is just as bad now and he will always be bad. Your best hope is last season with the Clippers where he shoots well enough from 3 to justify his inefficiency elsewhere. The Suns should want more.

The only thing Rivers offers is an expiring contract. If they trade for him, I sincerely hope they release him. This team is already tough enough to watch most nights.

I think the Suns were trading for Dillon Brooks and were probably going to kick the tires on Rivers. IMO, he was filler in the trade and being considered a point guard was a reason to sell the trade to fans. Casual fans would at least know his name.

What's interesting to me is why Oubre is not considered more highly. He could be a budding star and the Suns might decide to keep him providing he wants to be here. Who knows what could happen this summer. Also he could be the Suns third or fourth star and they trade a wing.

 

[ColdPickleNachos]

I think the Suns were trading for Dillon Brooks and were probably going to kick the tires on Rivers. IMO, he was filler in the trade and being considered a point guard was a reason to sell the trade to fans. Casual fans would at least know his name.

What's interesting to me is why Oubre is not considered more highly. He could be a budding star and the Suns might decide to keep him providing he wants to be here. Who knows what could happen this summer. Also he could be the Suns third or fourth star and they trade a wing.

I think you're right on Rivers. I just don't have the patience to watch him on this Suns team.

I like Oubre but don't love him. Jack of all trades, master of none. I prefer Brooks (the Dillon variety) because he seems to have more fire.

 

[Mainstreet]

I think you're right on Rivers. I just don't have the patience to watch him on this Suns team.

I like Oubre but don't love him. Jack of all trades, master of none. I prefer Brooks (the Dillon variety) because he seems to have more fire.

Are you sure you have the right Brooks. LMAO

 

[Mainstreet]

It seems most everybody is still trying trying to get up to speed.

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[Mainstreet]

IMO, the Grizzlies tried to do a switcheroo after someone on their end realized it was Dillon Brooks instead of Marshon Brooks and said no.