Latest Roster Moves - Final 53

[RON_IN_OC]

I was a big supporter of Keim at first but I keep getting more disappointed with his drafts. The release of Holden and Boehm for questionable guys is not good. It tells me the guys he drafted are worse than than other teams cast offs. If Nkemdiche and Reddick don’t step it up this year then I’m ready for a new GM.

Holden and Boehm were also questionable.

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[WindCardinal]

Holden and Boehm were also questionable.

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I didn’t hate those picks at the time but the fact they were replaced by previous UDFAs really says it all.

 

[MrYeahBut]

Declaring war on Head Coach and General Manager for failing to keep a backup Fullback on roster: https://www.revengeofthebirds.com/2018/9/2/17811548/a-penny-wasted-preaching-physicality

I am with him.

The writer of that article has been griping for years about not using a fullback. There's one on the roster. His name is Derrick Coleman. Penny is on the practice squad if needed. No other team saw fit to pick him up. Fine with me.

 

[BW52]

I don't recall anybody saying they knew more or are better informed than the coaching staff.I think people are questioning some moves because on the surface the moves look like either lateral moves or a step down in talent.Cutting guys who are Young and have actual experience for guys who couldn't crack a active roster for several years makes one wonder why?Just because a guy has seen a guy on a PS for couple of years doesn't seem like a good reason to cut a guy who has actually played in a game that counted.I know it is coachs choice,but seems at face value a ******* choice.If this guy is such a source of talent then why hasn't he even made a active roster(Clausdell).

 

[AZfaninMN]

I don't recall anybody saying they knew more or are better informed than the coaching staff.I think people are questioning some moves because on the surface the moves look like either lateral moves or a step down in talent.Cutting guys who are Young and have actual experience for guys who couldn't crack a active roster for several years makes one wonder why?Just because a guy has seen a guy on a PS for couple of years doesn't seem like a good reason to cut a guy who has actually played in a game that counted.I know it is coachs choice,but seems at face value a ******* choice.If this guy is such a source of talent then why hasn't he even made a active roster(Clausdell).

We cut Boehm, who was beat out in a position battle by Munyer, and will Holden, who didn’t crack the active roster last year. We didn’t cut an all-pro lineman to add Clausdell, who is only 27.

Vujnovich started every game last year and provides depth at guard. Also 27.

These are two guys entering the prime of their career, who I’m sure Wilks and Keim decided were better for the team this year.

If Boehm and Holden are as good as some make it seem, they’ll catch on a roster. If not then they are still PS eligible.

 

[WisconsinCard]

Vujonivic is a back up jack of all trades OL. His starting grade will not have much relevance as he won't be starting with us. He will back up the line. I'm surprised the Cards haven't hired you sense it seems you know better than they do on every thread. Yes they do make mistakes but according to your posts you think every move they've made was a mistake.

Funny you say that, reading a book titled "Games that changed the game." Ron Jaworski wrote it and in the beginning it states that "Joe Fan" could never even come close to seeing or knowing what they are looking at better than any coach, GM or player.

So I agree with you about anybody that thinks they know more than our coachs or GM. There are many here who speak as if they are paid consultants for teams, but as Jaws put it were all just "JOE FAN".

 

[iLLmatiC]

Funny you say that, reading a book titled "Games that changed the game." Ron Jaworski wrote it and in the beginning it states that "Joe Fan" could never even come close to seeing or knowing what they are looking at better than any coach, GM or player.

So I agree with you about anybody that thinks they know more than our coachs or GM. There are many here who speak as if they are paid consultants for teams, but as Jaws put it were all just "JOE FAN".

And yet there are terrible GMs still employed by organisations in the league who would be schooled by Joe Fan.

 

[WisconsinCard]

And yet there are terrible GMs still employed by organisations in the league who would be schooled by Joe Fan.

Says "Joe Fan" versus the guy that has a million dollar job. "Schooled" that's funny and that is exactly what Jaws was saying. It's not an easy job, everyone knows that, but not one is us is even slightly qualified for the position. We just all think we are.

 

[Proximo]

Holden and Boehm are not good.

Earl Watford beat out boehm and he was just cut.

I'm not saying these new guys are good, their resumes seem to suggest otherwise, what I am saying is in the grand scheme of things this is not a big deal at all since ideally none of them would ever see the field.

 

[oaken1]

Says "Joe Fan" versus the guy that has a million dollar job. "Schooled" that's funny and that is exactly what Jaws was saying. It's not an easy job, everyone knows that, but not one is us is even slightly qualified for the position. We just all think we are.

Thats a false assumption. Gms have more information to work with no doubt. But that doesn't mean that someone who has followed the game their entire life couldn't make better personnel decisions given the same information.
Its decision making and risk management... Not magical football rocket science

 

[Shaggy]

Just read the article, it's an example of why I don't miss Mitch at times.

Why? I never understood why a few of you say these types of thing about mitch or anyone posting their thoughts or opinions on something. He posted what he felt was a bad decision about penny, just like you probably posted about the bad decisions the cards made and yet he gets blasted for it. It's ok for you to post your opinions on something but not mitch? Makes zero sense to me.

 

[Shaggy]

Right... because the choice was between a backup corner and a backup FB.

One of Walter's usual well written meaningless diatribes.

So your saying you are glad they keep a worthless Williams over a guy that will make more meaningful plays as in Penny?

 

[Krangodnzr]

Say what you will, but Keim continues to fail at IDing good online players.

 

[iLLmatiC]

Says "Joe Fan" versus the guy that has a million dollar job. "Schooled" that's funny and that is exactly what Jaws was saying. It's not an easy job, everyone knows that, but not one is us is even slightly qualified for the position. We just all think we are.

I guess these GMs must be part of MENSA. I guess poor ol me nor anyone else could hack it. By the way, the GM isn't the only person responsible for managing a team, they have plenty of help.

Have you seen John Dorsey? He didn't even know about any of Dez Bryant's stats before Dez was scheduled to come in. I mean, that's his job and the dude was oblivious.

Oh yeah, and Jaws talent evaluation sucks. Remember when he praised Logan Thomas and said he projects to be an all pro? Or what about when he said colin Kaepernick could be one of the greatest qbs ever? I figured you wouldn't so I found the article for you:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...-cardinals-logan-thomas-best-rookie-qb-so-far

Just because you played at an all pro level does not make you a great talent evaluator. There's a lot of nepotism in the NFL.

I would honestly take someone like Choppers talent evaluation/ability to construct a team over most the GMs in the league.

 

[GuernseyCard]

And yet there are terrible GMs still employed by organisations in the league who would be schooled by Joe Fan.

Proving only that Joe Fan has delusions of adequacy.

 

[GuernseyCard]

Thats a false assumption. Gms have more information to work with no doubt. But that doesn't mean that someone who has followed the game their entire life couldn't make better personnel decisions given the same information.
Its decision making and risk management... Not magical football rocket science

The point is that Joe Fan without the info still thinks he can make better decisions, which is the ultimate faulty assumption.

 

[GuernseyCard]

So your saying you are glad they keep a worthless Williams over a guy that will make more meaningful plays as in Penny?

'Worth' is established by he who pays the freight and Penny is on the PS.

 

[Shane]

So your saying you are glad they keep a worthless Williams over a guy that will make more meaningful plays as in Penny?

Can you list a bunch of meaninglful plays that Penny has made the last 2 years?

 

[Krangodnzr]

Can you list a bunch of meaninglful plays that Penny has made the last 2 years?

Yeah Penny has blown chunks against 1st stringers.

 

[Shane]

Yeah Penny has blown chunks against 1st stringers.

Chunks of easily replaceable plays. He is the epitome of average.

 

[Cardiac]

Why? I never understood why a few of you say these types of thing about mitch or anyone posting their thoughts or opinions on something. He posted what he felt was a bad decision about penny, just like you probably posted about the bad decisions the cards made and yet he gets blasted for it. It's ok for you to post your opinions on something but not mitch? Makes zero sense to me.

I simply don't like Mitche's reading of tea leaves, minds and creating a narrative that is so damn negative. I do enjoy his takes on pure football topics and he is a very talented writer and I would like to see him come back to the board, it's just he sometimes "goes off the deep end"

Those are my thoughts and opinions which I know you encourage all of us to share.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Eh, I mean, if those guys couldn’t make it on those teams with their OL, then whew.

I get what you are saying, but supposedly the Cardinals have offensive line issues as well.

We are talking about bottom roster guys here, not starters. If the difference is between a bottom roster guy that knows the system, or fits the system and a hold over from the old regime, it makes sense to make the move.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Those moves are depressing
We just got 3 guys whom are worse then what we got here

This is the most ASFN quote on this thread.

Sometimes I see the perception of players on the Cardinals as getting married.

Before the ring, you are smart, handsome, and "a catch", the minute the ring goes on the finger, you are ugly, stupid, and just lucky to be in the house. LOL.

When I read this type of post, I will always remember, O'Brien Schofield was going to be the next Lawrence Taylor when he was cut in the preseason.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Declaring war on Head Coach and General Manager for failing to keep a backup Fullback on roster: https://www.revengeofthebirds.com/2018/9/2/17811548/a-penny-wasted-preaching-physicality

I am with him.

LOL.

Man, I could have wrote this for him yesterday. Not surprising.

"Can any of the Cardinals’ coaches, especially head coach Steve Wilks, who preaches and demands “physicality,” look any of us fans in the eyes and say that CB Brandon Williams is a better roster fit than FB/RB Elijhaa Penny?"

I'd pay good money to send Mitch out to AZ, and ask Steve Wilks to look him in the eye and tell him they are still a physical team after, releasing a 2nd string fullback, who has all of 1 year experience at he position, because he feels that Penny is better than Derrick Coleman.

Cause even if Coleman was opening holes up against NFL starters, Penny "looked better to him" against 3rd and 4th stringers.

My favorite part was when Penny was 100% going to be playing for the Seahawks, and blocking for his brother, only to have a few hours pass, and 31 other teams let Elijiah Penny (the next big thing apparently to come to the NFL) slip through their fingers.

Coming in second ? He value the Seahawks have for a power running game....you know, that offensive line, and that stable of high end running backs ?

Calling out the coach, the organization, and entire philosophy of the team because a practice squad player that no one in the league claimed, and a special teamer.

People wanted special teams fixed, and the Cardinals focused on special teams players........people get what they want, and now are unhappy with getting it.

It's a catch-22 no matter what.

In two weeks, most of these players will be an afterthought.

One last thing, whose practice squad is the dazzling, and dynamic Cap Capi on ?

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/11036/

Love that he does a blog now, and we can comment freely on this kind of thing, FYI.

I am not against fans stating opinions, and have enjoyed this thread, but hey, I am just commenting on the blog. Let's see how he handles the comment section of this one. LOL.

 

[Chopper0080]

Declaring war on Head Coach and General Manager for failing to keep a backup Fullback on roster: https://www.revengeofthebirds.com/2018/9/2/17811548/a-penny-wasted-preaching-physicality

I am with him.

In a league where several teams do not even roster a FB, some dummy is preaching that we should have kept two eh...We probably need more thumper ILBs who can't cover and some 4.7 40 CBs who can tackle.