Legal Tampering period thread and Free agency 2021.

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Disagree

Chase = RoJo
Conner = Fournette
Bernard =?

. . . says absolutely no one in the nfl.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Yeah, if anything, James Connor is the better player.

Fournette:763 att / 2998 yds / 3,9 avg /23 td / 7,3 receiving yards avg

Connor: 532 att / 2302 yds / 4.3 avg / 22 td / 7,8 receiving yards avg

Like I thought, people are thinking they’re getting first year breakout Conner. Sadly, no.

 

[Shane]

Like I thought, people are thinking they’re getting first year breakout Conner. Sadly, no.

how do you know? His numbers for 2020 are almost on par with his breakout year with the fact that his OL was worse.

 

[Solar7]

Yeah, if anything, James Connor is the better player.

Fournette:763 att / 2998 yds / 3,9 avg /23 td / 7,3 receiving yards avg

Connor: 532 att / 2302 yds / 4.3 avg / 22 td / 7,8 receiving yards avg

The overall stats are misleading here if you look at what they've done recently, especially given Fournette's playoff production.

Fournette crushed it in the postseason when it really mattered and was the top rusher while maintaining a 4.7 YPC. Conner plodded around for a 3.4 yard YPC.

 

[Stout]

Getting razzed hard-core by my Stillers co-workers for my team being "smart" enough to sign Conner. My favorite zinger was that we'd better keep the grass cut short, or he'll get a high ankle sprain on it.

 

[Solar7]

Getting razzed hard-core by my Stillers co-workers for my team being "smart" enough to sign Conner. My favorite zinger was that we'd better keep the grass cut short, or he'll get a high ankle sprain on it.

That goes for about 60% of our team at this point. I'm not sure we'd be able to go injury free in a 6 game flag football tournament.

 

[Nate]

Like I thought, people are thinking they’re getting first year breakout Conner. Sadly, no.

Advanced stats were for 2020 only. Time for you to wake up and shake your misperception regarding Conner.

He is and neuer was a top 5 rb or close to it, but he is at least an average starting rb by basically every metric.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

how do you know? His numbers for 2020 are almost on par with his breakout year with the fact that his OL was worse.

Okay delusions are free...

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Advanced stats were for 2020 only. Time for you to wake up and shake your misperception regarding Conner.

He is and neuer was a top 5 rb or close to it, but he is at least an average starting rb by basically every metric.

If he’s on the field.

 

[Shane]

Okay delusions are free...

that’s not delusions... the numbers speak for themself.

 

[Nate]

The overall stats are misleading here if you look at what they've done recently, especially given Fournette's playoff production.

Fournette crushed it in the postseason when it really mattered and was the top rusher while maintaining a 4.7 YPC. Conner plodded around for a 3.4 yard YPC.

2020 regular season stats once again:
Fournette: 367 attempts;0 broken tackles; 1.7 yards before tackle; 2.0 yards after tackle
Conner: 721 attemps, 17 broken tackles (9.9 att/bT); 2.3 before tackle; 1,7 after tackle

Going by Fournettes play off stats could also tell us that running back numbers are profiting if the oline and passing offense for their teams function well, giving the rb empty boxes and open running lanes.

So pay and draft ol and wr in the early rounds, rb can be had on the cheap for most functioning offenses.

 

[Shane]

2020 regular season stats once again:
Fournette: 367 attempts;0 broken tackles; 1.7 yards before tackle; 2.0 yards after tackle
Conner: 721 attemps, 17 broken tackles (9.9 att/bT); 2.3 before tackle; 1,7 after tackle

Going by Fournettes play off stats could also tell us that running back numbers are profiting if the oline and passing offense for their teams function well, giving the rb empty boxes and open running lanes.

thats def not just 2020 too many attempts listed

 

[CardsFan88]

Hasn't Pitt had line issues the last couple of years? Looking at the stats, as a team they've had under 1500 yards the last 3 years.

Possibly interesting nugget, last year him and rb's #2 and 3 combined had a similar number of carries.

Conner averaged a respectable 4.3, while the backups averaged ~3.3

Perhaps the problem has more to do with Pittsburgh's line than Conner.

We'll see.

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[Shane]

Hasn't Pitt had line issues the last couple of years? Looking at the stats, as a team they've had under 1500 yards the last 3 years.

Possibly interesting nugget, last year him and rb's #2 and 3 combined had a similar number of carries.

Conner averaged a respectable 4.3, while the backups averaged ~3.3

Perhaps the problem has more to do with Pittsburgh's line than Conner.

We'll see.

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his numbers while playing show he’s a respectable RB arguments to the contrary are just silly.

 

[Ronin]

The flame is strong in some of you. Lolz

 

[Shane]

The flame is strong in some of you. Lolz

get us the #s jerk

 

[Ronin]

get us the #s jerk

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[Nate]

thats def not just 2020 too many attempts listed

yeah, my bad, he had 721 yds on 169 attempts and 17 broken tackles which works out to 9.9 broken tackles per attempt.

 

[Nate]

If he’s on the field.

See, thats why you do not draft a first round rb or pay a rb. Most injured skill position due to being hit basically every snap, either blocking for the qb or getting hit carrying the ball.

 

[Solar7]

2020 regular season stats once again:
Fournette: 367 attempts;0 broken tackles; 1.7 yards before tackle; 2.0 yards after tackle
Conner: 721 attemps, 17 broken tackles (9.9 att/bT); 2.3 before tackle; 1,7 after tackle

Going by Fournettes play off stats could also tell us that running back numbers are profiting if the oline and passing offense for their teams function well, giving the rb empty boxes and open running lanes.

So pay and draft ol and wr in the early rounds, rb can be had on the cheap for most functioning offenses.

Since when were we a functioning offense?

And I've already gone through the hoops of showing that RBs in the 5th round and beyond have a 17% chance of starting 5 games or more for you over their career in recent history, so I'm not going to do it again. We don't have a 3rd or 4th round pick to hit on an RB where they're successful in modern times, so we had to choose between drafting one early or picking off the scrap heap in free agency, and we went the scrap heap route.

 

[BritCard]

The overall stats are misleading here if you look at what they've done recently, especially given Fournette's playoff production.

Fournette crushed it in the postseason when it really mattered and was the top rusher while maintaining a 4.7 YPC. Conner plodded around for a 3.4 yard YPC.

"I'm going to take this small sample that suits my narrative while ignoring their career stats and that Fournette was playing for a team on fire and eventual SB winner and Conner was playing for the worst form team in the playoffs that everyone had figured out"

 

[Solar7]

"I'm going to take this small sample that suits my narrative while ignoring their career stats and that Fournette was playing for a team on fire and eventual SB winner and Conner was playing for the worst form team in the playoffs that everyone had figured out"

There's not an enormous gulf between Conner and Fournette is more my point. I think an argument can be made of whichever you prefer stylistically.

 

[Nate]

Since when were we a functioning offense?

And I've already gone through the hoops of showing that RBs in the 5th round and beyond have a 17% chance of starting 5 games or more for you over their career in recent history, so I'm not going to do it again. We don't have a 3rd or 4th round pick to hit on an RB where they're successful in modern times, so we had to choose between drafting one early or picking off the scrap heap in free agency, and we went the scrap heap route.

So you want to overpay with an early round pick? I can already hear you complain next year if we do not have a young cb/wr/olb on the roster.

 

[Solar7]

So you want to overpay with an early round pick? I can already hear you complain next year if we do not have a young cb/wr/olb on the roster.

We don't have anyone but Eno Benjamin on the roster for 2021 at RB, and yeah, we're going to be in terrible shape at a lot of positions next season with no young talent.

But I don't consider it an "overpay" if you get a dynamic and dominant RB in the first or second round. I'd be a very happy guy with a Dalvin Cook or Derrick Henry on this team. I don't think any fans wouldn't. Sure, they might not last 10 years, but you cross that bridge when you get to it.

 

[juza76]

We don't have anyone but Eno Benjamin on the roster for 2021 at RB, and yeah, we're going to be in terrible shape at a lot of positions next season with no young talent.

But I don't consider it an "overpay" if you get a dynamic and dominant RB in the first or second round. I'd be a very happy guy with a Dalvin Cook or Derrick Henry on this team. I don't think any fans wouldn't. Sure, they might not last 10 years, but you cross that bridge when you get to it.

Many posters showed u hundred times that successful teams won without a first round rb

Connor /Edmonds +
(Trey Sermon /Chubba Hubbard /Kylin Hill) can be a good unit