Leinart Contract/Negotiations Discussion

[arthurracoon]

Ch 12 Sports tonight reported that the deal is "very close" and "should" be done by this weekend based on what they are hearing.

FWIW

well, thats good news

 

[Soul Reaper]

I heard a great comment on Dan Patrick's radio show today about the situation.
Someone said...

"First, Matt Leinart dates Paris Hilton who has since come out and declared celibacy, and now this? Can't he seal the deal ANYWHERE?"

 

[kerouac9]

Matt apparently is in the Valley. MJ (Thur. AM) said that Channel 3 hung out by Matt's new house and he answered the door. But as soon as he saw it was the people from the teevee, he closed the front door and did a 180 back into the house.

Man, the Phoenix Media are some classy people.

 

[spanky1]

and what of the abundance of cap space and absolute lack of depth at key positions? My issue isn't just the Lienart thing Conrad - it's a multitude of problems that are still present within this organization. Getting Leinart at whatever price they do get him will not exonerate them for sitting on cap space AGAIN with huge depth problems everywhere except DL and WR.

It appears that you are a proponent of spending money for the sake of spending money. I disagree that we are lacking depth everywhere but at DL and WR.

We have good depth at LB (and yes, I would have passed on LaVar Arrington and Julian Peterson in FA)....we have good depth at TE and IMO, also at the SS and FS position. The money paid out to DB's in FA was ridiculous (read Archuleta, Demps and Hope.....add in Lawyer Milloy and Ty Law). I'd rather draft DB's and develop them versus overpaying for the Duane Stark's of the world.

I also like our depth at RB (if Shipp does indeed stay at #3, he's pretty serviceable here). I am no where near saying that JJ is a bust like so many).

We have depth out the ying yang at OG.

Give me the $8MM in surplus cap so that I can extend/lock in two-three players on the roster that we have invested developmental time in, as the season progresses over spending in a FA crap shoot anytime.

 

[Pariah]

It appears that you are a proponent of spending money for the sake of spending money. I disagree that we are lacking depth everywhere but at DL and WR.
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What you failed to mention was OT. Where's our depth there? What about CB?

We should have addressed those positions in the offseason...and yes, there were players available.

 

[Azlen]

Man, the Phoenix Media are some classy people.

What? Because they knocked on his door hoping for an interview? It's not like he is in there mourning the death of a family member.

 

[Russ Smith]

It appears that you are a proponent of spending money for the sake of spending money. I disagree that we are lacking depth everywhere but at DL and WR.

We have good depth at LB (and yes, I would have passed on LaVar Arrington and Julian Peterson in FA)....we have good depth at TE and IMO, also at the SS and FS position. The money paid out to DB's in FA was ridiculous (read Archuleta, Demps and Hope.....add in Lawyer Milloy and Ty Law). I'd rather draft DB's and develop them versus overpaying for the Duane Stark's of the world.

I also like our depth at RB (if Shipp does indeed stay at #3, he's pretty serviceable here). I am no where near saying that JJ is a bust like so many).

We have depth out the ying yang at OG.

Give me the $8MM in surplus cap so that I can extend/lock in two-three players on the roster that we have invested developmental time in, as the season progresses over spending in a FA crap shoot anytime.

Well the counter is you seem to be of the opinion that saving money for a rainy day is a good thing, but in the NFL that's not necessarily true. There are times when it helps, major injury you want caproom to sign a replacement if possible, but in general holding back as much money as the Cards do simply means you have less depth. Sure we always spend the money in extentions midseason, but those aren't necessary, you could extend the guy after the season too, we're simply lessening the caphit by counting some of it in the current season. While you can argue that's smart, it's not necessarily better than signing some depth.

It's a strategy like that which ends up where we are now at RT. Being fiscally responsible is good, but there are definitely times where it appears we just don't want to spend all the money we're allowed to.

 

[Billy Flynt]

Well, it's Thursday. Time to announce a signing!

 

[kerouac9]

What? Because they knocked on his door hoping for an interview? It's not like he is in there mourning the death of a family member.

Yeah. I dont' think that knocking on the door hoping for an interview is profession behavior. Maybe if you work for Ahwatukee Foothills News, then I can understand, but Channel 3? C'mon, call the guy's rep; don't try and ambush him at his place.

 

[kerouac9]

It appears that you are a proponent of spending money for the sake of spending money. I disagree that we are lacking depth everywhere but at DL and WR.

We have good depth at LB (and yes, I would have passed on LaVar Arrington and Julian Peterson in FA)....we have good depth at TE and IMO, also at the SS and FS position. The money paid out to DB's in FA was ridiculous (read Archuleta, Demps and Hope.....add in Lawyer Milloy and Ty Law). I'd rather draft DB's and develop them versus overpaying for the Duane Stark's of the world.

We had such good depth at LB that we had a number of free agent LBs scheduled for visits at the start of training camp? Our OT situation was downright horrible, and remains so.

And you don't think there's a middle ground between signing Duane Starks and developing your own CBs? You don't think we could have signed some mid-level vets to decent contracts and not hope that we'll have to re-sign Robert Tate again?

 

[joeshmo]

We have good depth at LB (and yes, I would have passed on LaVar Arrington and Julian Peterson in FA)

Tell that to the coach he mentioned he has concerns about LB, DB,and OT depth.

also at the SS and FS position.

So you are happy with 2 second year UDFA's who hasnt proven a single thing on the football field. One his having a good camp it would seem and the other is as quiet as a mouse. i will believe it when I see it.

The money paid out to DB's in FA was ridiculous (read Archuleta, Demps and Hope.....add in Lawyer Milloy and Ty Law). I'd rather draft DB's and develop them versus overpaying for the Duane Stark's of the world.

You just named a bunch of starters who got starter money. It would seem you are trying to make an arguement based on us wanting more starters. We are not talking about starters, that was never an issue in this thread. We are talking about depth. Good Depth players who all got fair contracts.

Give me the $8MM in surplus cap so that I can extend/lock in two-three players on the roster that we have invested developmental time in, as the season progresses over spending in a FA crap shoot anytime.

I already coverd this in great detail.
http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/showpost.php?p=1064460&postcount=565

 

[lobo]

Ugly

Yeah. I dont' think that knocking on the door hoping for guy's rep; don't try and ambush him at his placean interview is profession behavior. .

so true.....i don't know how many of us saw in the ugliest of detail the famous "Bartman Ball" incident at Wrigley Field....on the local networks here they had helicopters and news teams outside the poor guy's house at 6 AM the next morning....that was something....to this day I believe Cub fans would like to have him strung up at State and Madison if the could find him...we will capture ben ladin before Bartman shows up.

 

[spanky1]

What you failed to mention was OT. Where's our depth there? What about CB?

We should have addressed those positions in the offseason...and yes, there were players available.

I didn't comment on the depth (or lack thereof) at OT and CB because I acknowlege that we are weak depth wise at these positions. I was just responding to cheesebeef's comment that we are weak depth wise everywhere but at DL and WR.

......and I also believe that there might be a surprise in TC at the CB position with either McCareins or Hunter......and I beleive that we might also make a move before the actual season starts at RT with potential roster cuts from other teams.

I firmly believe that there wasn't a true gem at RT available in FA.

 

[abomb]

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune...0aug09,1,6163783.story?coll=cs-football-print

- Cardinals receiver Anquan Boldin sat out practice with a sore hamstring for the second day in a row and might not play in Saturday's exhibition opener against Pittsburgh.

That's not true. Boldin participated in most of the morning practice and all of the afternoon one. He is expected to play on Sat.

 

[Pariah]

I firmly believe that there wasn't a true gem at RT available in FA.

We didn't (and don't) really need a "gem," IMO, just someone better than Wakefield.

I'm not totally bent about the cards not spending the money on these positions, but I am perplexed.

...and for the record, I don't think we're going to make any significant roster additions before the season starts. That's simply wishful thinking on your part, isn't it?

Also, as I re-read this post, it comes off a little terse. I don't mean it to be...just having a discussion.

 

[Rivercard]

...and for the record, I don't think we're going to make any significant roster additions before the season starts. That's simply wishful thinking on your part, isn't it?

Seems that Green and company were hoping the coaching changes would invigorate the current OL roster. Hopefully they'll be compelled to make a move or two if the plan doesn't seem to be working.

 

[spanky1]

We had such good depth at LB that we had a number of free agent LBs scheduled for visits at the start of training camp? Our OT situation was downright horrible, and remains so.

And you don't think there's a middle ground between signing Duane Starks and developing your own CBs? You don't think we could have signed some mid-level vets to decent contracts and not hope that we'll have to re-sign Robert Tate again?

k9,

Let's look at the LB group. While I understand your reluctance to get behind the potential of Pace at SLB, the fact remains that he seems to be having a hell of a camp so far.....so much so that it appears that Dansby's lot is at WLB when he gets his head re-aligned. Whether this is Green hype, time will tell.

Hayes is also having a good camp and although you seem to question him at MLB, if he is healthy, the coaching staff seem to like him here as well. The guy has all the necessary measureables in terms of speed, tackling ability and motor to be an above average contributor at MLB

That leaves players like Darling, who can play MLB and WLB as solid depth for each position and Huff who is not bad as a #3 at WLB.

I also believe that Blackstock grows by leaps and bounds this year, perhaps Mitchell as well......but then my glass is usually half filled.

How many teams have a back up of the skill such as a Darling waiting in the wings? Outside of Witherspoon (who Seattle seem to want to put into the middle, big mistake IMO) and Peterson, who were "on paper" must have FA's...... who was scheduled to come in for look sees (this is a question, not an attack)? Were any of them better than Darling?

In hindsight,Tom Ashworth might have warranted a look at RT but Seattle paid a hell of a premium for him....way more than he's worth.

We can't fix every single weakness in one year.

 

[Cheesebeef]

spanky - I won't even respond to you because everyone else has already totally made you look like, well, Spanky. Good going as usual.

 

[seesred]

I'm also with the LB's on this team.I'm reading that Mitchel is ready for a break out year as well as Blackstock.Pace is getting very favorable reviews on his switch, add that to his NFL knowledge and hopefully he will turn out to be the real deal. They say for many players it takes 2-3 years to truly understand how to play in the NFL. Add them to one of my favorites Darling who always comes to play , a healthy Hayes and (Dansby will be back who knows when and Huff. IMO they are the best we have had since the team has moved.

I can say that the O-line will make me crazy till I see it work. IMO the left side of the line is rock solid with Wells and Big. I like Step at center. The right side guard should be better than last year with many options. The biggest challange will be plugging someone in to the right tackle spot. Maybe one of the Browns will shine.

GBR
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[spanky1]

Tell that to the coach he mentioned he has concerns about LB, DB,and OT depth.



So you are happy with 2 second year UDFA's who hasnt proven a single thing on the football field. One his having a good camp it would seem and the other is as quiet as a mouse. i will believe it when I see it.



You just named a bunch of starters who got starter money. It would seem you are trying to make an arguement based on us wanting more starters. We are not talking about starters, that was never an issue in this thread. We are talking about depth. Good Depth players who all got fair contracts.



I already coverd this in great detail.
http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/showpost.php?p=1064460&postcount=565

Sometimes joeshmo, players come from out of nowhere and step it up. Did you really know anything about Witherspoon before his breakout last year? I'm prepared to give the Francisco's of our team the benefit of the doubt.

No doubt.....we could use another "starter" quality CB, ( I do like the combo of Rolle, Green and Macklin however) .....but was Will Allen that guy? Not IMO. And let's just see who becomes available through roster cuts( at CB, Mike Rumph is one potential possibility).

There is still wiggle room.

 

[devilfan02]

Matt apparently is in the Valley. MJ (Thur. AM) said that Channel 3 hung out by Matt's new house and he answered the door. But as soon as he saw it was the people from the teevee, he closed the front door and did a 180 back into the house.

I would love to see that!

 

[Russ Smith]

No doubt.....we could use another "starter" quality CB, ( I do like the combo of Rolle, Green and Macklin however) .....but was Will Allen that guy? Not IMO. And let's just see who becomes available through roster cuts( at CB, Mike Rumph is one potential possibility).

There is still wiggle room.

If we sign Mike Rumph to "bolster" our CB play this year the mods may as well just ban me until Rumph gets cut. Living in the Bay ARea I watch that guy play every week, well if he could stay healthy enough to play that is. the guy bombed at CB, they moved him to safety, and he bombed there, but he got hurt so they convinced everyone he was improved.

Rumph is not a CB, he might be a decent backup FS at some point in his career but he's played a lot more CB than FS so he's not particularly experienced at it.

He is the classic example of what happens when a team gets suckered by a kid running a faster than expected 40 time at a pro day. The 49ers have arguably the worst starting secondary in the entire NFL, if THEY cut Mike Rumph, that's got to tell you something about his ability to play.

 

[green machine]

Matt apparently is in the Valley. MJ (Thur. AM) said that Channel 3 hung out by Matt's new house and he answered the door. But as soon as he saw it was the people from the teevee, he closed the front door and did a 180 back into the house.

I think it was channel 3 that pretty much barged into Randy Johnson's house too when he signed with the Dbacks. That station really is garbage.

 

[BACH]

spanky - I won't even respond to you because everyone else has already totally made you look like, well, Spanky. Good going as usual.

If you won't even respond why do you do it then???

Doesn't Spanky have the right to his opinion without idiotic comments like this? Or is a argumentative response reserved only for those who agree with you?

All he said was, that he felt we were solid at the LB position. What? Isn't that a valid opinion?

Dansby, Hayes, Mitchell and Blackstock were all low 1st/high 2nd round prospects that slided. Hayes, Mitchell and Blackstock are reportingly having great camps and have progressed a lot. Throw in a former 1st rounder DE/OLB in Pace (who is also looking very good in camp), a solid starter in Darling and solid back-ups players in Huff (12 starts in 05) and Mark Brown (11 starts for NYJ in 05).

Is it possible that he could be right? Or is he at least entitled to have that opinion?

 

[arthurracoon]

good to hear hes back in town

that must mean a contract is almost done