Leinart doesn't want to be traded!

[Arizona's Finest]

It's past the point whether Matt is going to good or not with some of these "discussions"...

I just can't understand how people don't want whats best for the team and want to continue to disparage Matt when he is doing EVERYTHING RIGHT since last offseason.

Makes no sense. Oh well.

Haters - they gonna hate.

 

[bg7brd]

1) He is on an up and coming team and will have the opportunity to throw to one of the best receivers the league has ever seen in Fitz (premature? maybe, but you can't argue that he could be one of them when all is said and done.) and another one of the best receivers in the league. He has a good coach and enjoys his teammates.

2) Jerked him around? Coach Whiz didn't give his starting job away, Matt gave his starting job away or Kurt took his starting job. Don't act like his coach played favorites and gave the job to the less qualified guy, he gave it to an MVP candidate.

3) This is the biggest over-exaggeration of the off-season. Whiz has showed over and over again that the best player plays, so why is it earth shattering to us when Whiz says something to St. Pierre to the effect of "If you play better than Matt and prove to be a better QB, then you will play over him." Isn't that obvious? All this stems from St. Pierre's agent stating that Brian was told he would have an opportunity to compete for the job.

4) How do you figure? We resign our starting QB who would have been the MVP of the league hands down IMO if the award was given after the after the entire season, not just the regular season. We resign our 3rd string QB to a measly 2 hundred thousand more dollars than the minimum. (side note: My opinion is that the team wants to keep St. Pierre around long enough to be the #2 QB when Kurt is gone.)

5,6,&7) Why is it that a guy is blasted when he does the honorable thing and says he is going to be true to his contract? That is beyond me.

RolleRocks, I am sure your a cool guy and I am glad we are fellow Cards fans, but these comments are so asinine that I am embarrassed that I even took the time to comment on them.

Great post. Thank you for sparing my time and energy.

 

[Vermont Maverick]

Now, it seems that his coach is opening up his second string job for competition with Brian St. Pierre, a guy the coach actually seems to like.

This statement is running rampant on this board, and it's getting old.

This statement was made by St. Pierre, when asked about it. He was promised a shot at the #2 as part of signing a contract, by Whis. What do you expect a coach to say, "We want to sign you to hold a clipboard, and we expect that you will jump at that becuase we know you stink and are perfectly content with collecting a paycheck"?

The fact is, Whis has established that every position on the team is open competition through his actions, so of course St. Pierre has a shot at the #2 QB position - if he excels. And Whis reminded him of that to lean him towards signing a contract. And that contract isn't much over the vet minimum. It's not like they are paying him #2 QB money.

 

[RolleRocks]

No lecture. I am not your dad. I'm just pointing out the obvious.

Your not a Cardinal fan. You don't want whats best for the team.

Its so obvious that you have an agenda and know little to anyting about actual football. I have yet to read a post of yours that brought any original thought, logic, or wasn't advancing your own sad disturbing agenda.

Why would you care that Matt doesn't want to be traded? Why does that "show" you anything? It just upsets you because it contradicts everything you have said the last few months and shows you to be comlpletely inaccurate on your "predictions" with regards to Matt. Any shred of credibility you had with anyone on this site went down the drain accordingly.

Like another poster said - not even worth my time. But you are a good running joke at this point so....

Keep on posting

Another Matty jocksniffer telling me that I'm not a fan of the team. Classic!!!

And this from a guy that posts tirelessly his "hope" that Kurt gets hurt and allows Matty to get his starting job back.

I'm not sure where my latest posts contradict anything that I've said before.

I could care less if Leinart wants to be traded.

I just expressed surprise that he wouldn't want to be traded after the team made the decision to go with Warner for two more years.

I read you and your bois ramble on about how noble it is for Matty to choose riding the pines now in the "hope" that someday he can get a chance to throw to Larry Fitzgerald in two years.

What a crack up!!!

Players just want to play. Posers just want to pose.

As for St. Pierre beating out Leinart, I could care less.

But if it happens, good for the team. Then the team can dump Leinart and his big salary, unearned salary, and add another difference maker like Julius Peppers that can actually contribute something to the team.

 

[Harry]

Let me start by saying I'm fine with Leinart as the backup. No one better is available. That said, don't expect him to go on the radio and say he wants to play elsewhere. He's a great deal more shrewd than that. Keep in mind the big payday in the last year of the contract. It's a poison pill. If they Cards don't renegotiate, it's hard to picture they can keep him. He knows he'll never see that money unless Warner gets hurt.

 

[IAWarnerFan]

There is TON wrong with your entire post but I will single this out as it was probably the point of highest comedy.

Maybe Matt didn't get as much action in 08 is because the heart throb that is Kurt Warner played well and didn't get injured. Did you expect him to start Game 6 or something with Warner doing so well? How does that even make sense?

You would think an unabashed Warner supporter/defender/fanclub president would see the forest through the trees on that one.

No, but I did expect him to play more and KW to play less at season's end. Especially when the Cardinals were being blown out, but HC Whisenhunt decided to keep KW in there instead of going with Leinart in those cases. Speaks volumes on his confidence in the backup QB, doesn't it?

 

[Arizona's Finest]

No, but I did expect him to play more and KW to play less at season's end. Especially when the Cardinals were being blown out, but HC Whisenhunt decided to keep KW in there instead of going with Leinart in those cases. Speaks volumes on his confidence in the backup QB, doesn't it?

It speaks volumes about Wiz's ability as a coach. YOU KNOW BECAUSE WE WENT TO THE SUPER BOWL AND ALL.

By definition you play the backup QB in games that are blowouts that you have no chance to win. Not because you "lack confidence" to bring him in in those situations. Confidence to what? Continue the blow out? What does that even mean?

Obviously Kurt is sensitive to the prospect of the young draft pick coming in. By Wiz showing he had belief in Kurt NO MATTER WHAT - he began to play with in himself again once the playoffs started and if Wiz would have been jerking him and Leinart in and out that likely wouldn't have happened.

What your talking about makes no sense. By staying the course we gained momentum in the last game and carried it into the playoffs.

Are you suggesting he should have done differently? Wiz not putting in Matt doesn't SHOW ANYTHING AT ALL. Ridiculous statements all together.

Just be happy your boy Warner was given that deal and was given the opportunity to show he can show he can get us a ring in the next two years. And if your a Cardinal fan be happy we have a legitimate young back up QB.

End of story.

Don't try to make sense of coaching decisions you are too bias too understand.

 

[IAWarnerFan]

It speaks volumes about Wiz's ability as a coach. YOU KNOW BECAUSE WE WENT TO THE SUPER BOWL AND ALL.

By definition you play the backup QB in games that are blowouts that you have no chance to win. Not because you "lack confidence" to bring him in in those situations. Confidence to what? Continue the blow out? What does that even mean?

Obviously Kurt is sensitive to the prospect of the young draft pick coming in. By Wiz showing he had belief in Kurt NO MATTER WHAT - he began to play with in himself again once the playoffs started and if Wiz would have been jerking him and Leinart in and out that likely wouldn't have happened.

What your talking about makes no sense. By staying the course we gained momentum in the last game and carried it into the playoffs.

Are you suggesting he should have done differently? Wiz not putting in Matt doesn't SHOW ANYTHING AT ALL. Ridiculous statements all together.

Just be happy your boy Warner was given that deal and was given the opportunity to show he can show he can get us a ring in the next two years. And if your a Cardinal fan be happy we have a legitimate young back up QB.

End of story.

Don't try to make sense of coaching decisions you are too bias too understand.

No, it wasn't a knock on our HC, but he did keep Warner in the game even when a few of the games were out of reach. You'd think in those situations you'd go to your backup QB instead of keeping the starter in? In week 17 (a game that meant pretty much nothing except an undefeated divisionsl record) he went with Kurt Warner intead of Leinart. Again, not a knock on our HC, but maybe it shows the confidence he has had in Leinart? I'd like to see more legitmacy from our young backup QB. Hopefully he'll throw more TDs than Ints this year.

 

[moklerman]

Again, not a knock on our HC, but maybe it shows the confidence he has had in Leinart? I'd like to see more legitmacy from our young backup QB. Hopefully he'll throw more TDs than Ints this year.

The Cardinals were in a major tailspin going into week 17 and needed the Seattle game to try and regain some rhythm. Warner had already sat out most of the NE game and the offense hadn't seen Edge in weeks. I reallly don't see the benefit of playing Leinart at that point in time. At least, I don't see the benefit to the team to play Leinart at that time.

 

[green machine]

No, it wasn't a knock on our HC, but he did keep Warner in the game even when a few of the games were out of reach. You'd think in those situations you'd go to your backup QB instead of keeping the starter in? In week 17 (a game that meant pretty much nothing except an undefeated divisionsl record) he went with Kurt Warner intead of Leinart. Again, not a knock on our HC, but maybe it shows the confidence he has had in Leinart? I'd like to see more legitmacy from our young backup QB. Hopefully he'll throw more TDs than Ints this year.

Maybe Whiz was leaving Warner in the game in hopes that he would get injured and then Leinart, the guy he really wants as the QB, could come in and lead the team to glory.

 

[earthsci]

The Cardinals were in a major tailspin going into week 17 and needed the Seattle game to try and regain some rhythm. Warner had already sat out most of the NE game and the offense hadn't seen Edge in weeks. I reallly don't see the benefit of playing Leinart at that point in time. At least, I don't see the benefit to the team to play Leinart at that time.

This.

Also about the Seattle game, Leinart QB'd the 4th quarter. He came in when the score was 28-21, still plenty of time for Seattle to come back. Sounds like Whisenhunt wasn't too concerned about losing the game with Leinart in.

 

[moklerman]

As time goes by, I am becoming more impressed with Leinart. He seems to be learning the off the field game a little more each year and by the time the team is his to take over, there should be a strong running game in place and Fitz in his prime. The last thing he needs to do, to make me happy, is re-structure his deal before the escalators kick in and earn his way back into the stratosphere.

So far, the only thing that I've seen that points to Leinart not being on completely secure footing with Whis is when BSP re-signed and he said that he was told he would have a chance to compete for the 2nd spot.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

As time goes by, I am becoming more impressed with Leinart. He seems to be learning the off the field game a little more each year and by the time the team is his to take over, there should be a strong running game in place and Fitz in his prime. The last thing he needs to do, to make me happy, is re-structure his deal before the escalators kick in and earn his way back into the stratosphere.

So far, the only thing that I've seen that points to Leinart not being on completely secure footing with Whis is when BSP re-signed and he said that he was told he would have a chance to compete for the 2nd spot.

Thank you for your logic and fairness. You are appreciated Mokler.

 

[IAWarnerFan]

Agree to disagree on parts of this. I was just upset that people are already trying to predict when Kurt Warner will go down for the season so Matt Leinart can come in and start. Maybe the chances aren't great the Kurt Warner will stay healthy for the entire year, but certain posters don't have to try to predict when he will go down. I'm not completely sold on Leinart being a quality starting QB, but that can change. If he can be one, obviously reworking his contract and having him be satisfied with being a backup QB is best for the Cardinals. Maybe best for him too? Tho he may never be a Kurt Warner, he may be able to start this year for a few of the teams.

 

[BW52]

Wow, talk about seeing what you want to see.

Maybe Leinart is showing maturity and taking in the big picture instead of only looking for immediate gratification. He knows QBs don't peak until their late 20's early 30's and his body is not taking a pounding. He's getting paid like a starter on a superbowl team, learning the NFL game from one of the best and is one snap away from being the guy hucking the ball to Larry Fitzgerald and Anquan Boldin. He's the guy that will helm this team in one or two years...why not stay?

Well said Pariah.What are the odds Warner gets thru another complete season unhurt? Smart move by Leinart and the Cards.All the ST.Pierre talk is nonsense anyway.