Leinart has Inside Track--Urban

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At QB, Leinart Has Inside Track
Urban: With Warner lurking, staying atop depth chart won't be easy


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Quarterbacks Matt Leinart (left) and Kurt Warner warm up before the first practice of training camp Friday in Flagstaff.
FLAGSTAFF – The Cardinals’ quarterbacks were throwing at targets during their first practice of training camp Friday morning in a corner of the field, and Kurt Warner nearly drilled a slow-to-move Matt Leinart in the head.
“He kept getting in the way,” Warner joked after practice, feigning exasperation.
Funny Warner should put it that way. The same can be said of the team’s
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quarterback situation.

Leinart is the starter. Warner wants to be the starter, and right now, Leinart is in the way.
Training camp might just be starting, but this storyline is nothing new. It was just put on a backburner when Rams linebacker Will Witherspoon smashed Leinart into the St. Louis turf last season, breaking Leinart’s collarbone and shoving aside a quarterback controversy.
Whisenhunt bluntly announced Leinart the starter going into the offseason. He did that the day after 2007 ended. Warner, not surprisingly, was not thrilled.
But Warner might still be the quarterback. Maybe.
It’s been a hard concept for some to grasp, that Leinart could be the starter yet there still be a sort of competition. Some don’t want to grasp it, after watching Warner toss 27 touchdown passes in 2007, thinking Warner should already own the job.
Instead, Whisenhunt will watch training camp and the preseason and make a final decision as the regular-season opener nears. Until then, the quarterbacks will do and say exactly what they have been all offseason.
“You understand the questions will be there, and if (media) sees Matt throw a bad
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pass in practice, ‘Well, maybe Kurt should be the starter’ and if I throw a bad pass, ‘Well, maybe …’ ” Warner said. “We understand all that. The hard part for me, this is what it is out here (in practice). Not that you can’t assess anything, but it’s a whole different deal when you start playing on Sundays.”

Said Leinart, “I know that Kurt is pushing me and we are competing. When the guy behind you is breathing down your neck, that’s going to make you a better football player. (But) I know coach has the faith in me to be the guy.”
Leinart’s career hasn’t gone the way he expected. His shiny start as a rookie in 2006 gave way to a rough finish before a shoulder injury. Then came a coaching change to an offense that Leinart now admits he had trouble grasping. Then he had to share time with Warner, before his collarbone injury.
But Leinart called the injury a “blessing” and he and the coaches have said repeatedly he has a much better handle on his position.
“I have to be more careful what I do in my life, that is a lesson I have learned,” Leinart said of a rough offseason fueled by internet photos. “But I just want to go out and play. I feel like I haven’t played football in a long time.”
What cannot be forgotten is that Leinart is still the franchise’s hope for the future, something even Warner understands.
“For the sake of the organization and the situation, you want Matt to be the guy for the future,” Warner said.
Is the future now, though? Warner said a team must balance its long-term plans with the idea of winning now. There are plenty of people – Warner included – who think Warner gives the Cards a better chance at that.
Warner also said he is “skeptical” that this will be a fair fight, not because of things that have happened recently but because of the career that has seen him benched for youngsters like Marc Bulger, Eli Manning and Leinart when Leinart was a rookie.
There is a frustration on Warner’s part because what will determine who will play is not spelled out. Yet that is almost impossible. By most tangible measuring sticks, Warner’s 2007 season would jump out on a resume and give him a huge edge.
Even Warner doesn’t mind tossing his season out and starting fresh, however.
“We all understand the dynamics here,” Warner said, “and that doesn’t bother me.”
Warner said he would want the Cardinals to tell him if he had no chance to beat out Leinart. They haven’t said that, so he said he has to take that at face value.
Whisenhunt praised Warner’s season, but added “the thing that seems to be forgotten is that Matt was growing and was doing a pretty good job for us too and he got hurt. You have to be careful about overlooking that.”
The coach, as he did in the offseason, said while he wouldn’t rule out playing two quarterbacks like he did last season, he didn’t want to. He wants one man to take hold of the job.
Can it be Leinart? He will get every opportunity to prove that, yes, it can be him.
And he’ll remain in Warner’s way.
 

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Whisenhunt praised Warner’s season, but added “the thing that seems to be forgotten is that Matt was growing and was doing a pretty good job for us too and he got hurt. You have to be careful about overlooking that


Holy hell is that optimisim at it finest. Leinart was BAD last season. he regressed and was not doing a "pretty good job" mediocre is the word that comes to mind.
 

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Holy hell is that optimisim at it finest. Leinart was BAD last season. he regressed and was not doing a "pretty good job" mediocre is the word that comes to mind.

The 4th quarter vs. Pittsburgh was pretty good. I think last year is a little bit of a joke to be honest. Warner looked like garbage in the pro set for awhile as did Leinart. The whole no-huddle thing was the only difference when Warner took over.
 

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The 4th quarter vs. Pittsburgh was pretty good. I think last year is a little bit of a joke to be honest. Warner looked like garbage in the pro set for awhile as did Leinart. The whole no-huddle thing was the only difference when Warner took over.

You know, now that you mention it, I do remember it being that way last year. It wasn't until later in the season when the offense seemed to start really clicking. Warner wasn't doing so hot in the beginning if he wasn't in the no-huddle.

Good observation asez.
 

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You know, now that you mention it, I do remember it being that way last year. It wasn't until later in the season when the offense seemed to start really clicking. Warner wasn't doing so hot in the beginning if he wasn't in the no-huddle.

Good observation asez.

That may be because Warner only player in the hurry up no huddle offense in the beginning. :shrug:
 

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I think the key to Leinart's success will be if this offseason work on his mechanics stick. They said they worked on his mechaincs under center, getting away from the center faster, and footwork. It really got old seeing Matt get stepped on by the center. I think if he addresses these things, he'll be much better.
 

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IMO Leinart looked like a slightly below average NFL quarterback last year.

For a second year guy coming off of an injury, thats not really that bad.

Now, he's healed. Last year's injury was a fluke. Aparently, he has gone into super-study mode. There is reason to think he could be quite good this year

I think there is reason for optimism. Especially, since if he fails we still have the slightly above average NFL starter in Kurt Warner.
 

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I agree, but would say that most of his off-season work needs to stick.

I do think the fact we will have consistant line play will also help immensely.

I think the key to Leinart's success will be if this offseason work on his mechanics stick. They said they worked on his mechaincs under center, getting away from the center faster, and footwork. It really got old seeing Matt get stepped on by the center. I think if he addresses these things, he'll be much better.
 

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I expect great things from Leinart this year. He can put to practice what he's observed over the past year. It will be interesting to see if he's grasped the plays to the point where he doesn't have to think of what he need's to do next.
 

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I hate to say this but I am not optimistic about Matt's future from an injury standpont. I think he is fragile and would need an incredible off season work ethic to focus and condition himself to put himself in the best position possible to protect against injury. I wonder if he made that investment. The impression that he is a big drinker puts his commitment to his body in question. A couple years from now we may look back and miss Warner. I hope not. I am a Lienart fan.
 

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That may be because Warner only player in the hurry up no huddle offense in the beginning. :shrug:

No, I was talking about the first couple of games Warner started after he got the job. He was very sporadic.
 

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I hate to say this but I am not optimistic about Matt's future from an injury standpont. I think he is fragile and would need an incredible off season work ethic to focus and condition himself to put himself in the best position possible to protect against injury. I wonder if he made that investment. The impression that he is a big drinker puts his commitment to his body in question. A couple years from now we may look back and miss Warner. I hope not. I am a Lienart fan.

And you have some problem with being a big drinker? You just threw 3/4 of this board under the bus.:D
 

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I just posted above that I'm all for Matt having a great season based on what he's learned watching from the sideline. Then, what do I see, but a picture of Curt and Matt standing side by side during Friday's practice.

The picture is on the front page of today's Sports Section (Republic), and there is no comparison between Curt's throwing arm and Matt's. Holy Smoke, Matt needs to pump more iron if he expects to outplay Curt. Curt's arm looks to be twice the size of Matt's and I'm sure he puts much more zip on the ball when he needs to.

Leinart may be named the starting QB but I think Curt may have come prepared to play, for us Card fans, it's a win/win situation.
 

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IMO Leinart looked like a slightly below average NFL quarterback last year.

So why would you immediately crown him as starter when you have another player who was a perfect fit for the offense last year? Why is this not an open competition, with the best man winning? This is probably the most frustrating aspect of the offseason...Warner proved it on the field but is still 2nd string, while Leinart was handed the job.
 

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I just posted above that I'm all for Matt having a great season based on what he's learned watching from the sideline. Then, what do I see, but a picture of Curt and Matt standing side by side during Friday's practice.

The picture is on the front page of today's Sports Section (Republic), and there is no comparison between Curt's throwing arm and Matt's. Holy Smoke, Matt needs to pump more iron if he expects to outplay Curt. Curt's arm looks to be twice the size of Matt's and I'm sure he puts much more zip on the ball when he needs to.

Leinart may be named the starting QB but I think Curt may have come prepared to play, for us Card fans, it's a win/win situation.
It's Kurt not Curt ;)

It doesn't look like Matt's arm is that much smallerthan Kurts in azcentrals photos
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It's Kurt not Curt ;)

It doesn't look like Matt's arm is that much smallerthan Kurts in azcentrals photos
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Yep! You're correct, my bad, it is Kurt. The online AZ Republic picture is differnt than the one used in the newspaper.
 

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Yep! You're correct, my bad, it is Kurt. The online AZ Republic picture is differnt than the one used in the newspaper.
Just think of it this way. Leinart defently put in the work while he was hurt and contiued to do so into the offseason. But I'm not sure how much bigger he has gotten from last year since i am too lazy to look up a photo of him from last year.
 

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So why would you immediately crown him as starter when you have another player who was a perfect fit for the offense last year? Why is this not an open competition, with the best man winning? This is probably the most frustrating aspect of the offseason...Warner proved it on the field but is still 2nd string, while Leinart was handed the job.

Why? Three related reasons. And you know what they are already. Everybody does.

1. Whisenhunt is the head coach coach and until proven otherwise, we must assume he knows what he's doing.

2. As the coach, he knows QB is the single most important position on an NFL team. For Whisenhunt's long-term success here, he and the Cards need to know very soon if Leinart is our QB for the next five to ten years. If not, we need to draft several QBs in the next two years.

3. All of this matters because good QBs take such a large proportion of CAP $$$s. All our other contracts depend on Leinart's re-up costs which will be decided in 2008 and reinforced and acted upon by the end of the 2009 season, if not sooner.


Going out on an opinion limb, even Warner's contract extension value and length of deal will be determined and maybe acted upon shortly after the end of the 3rd game at Washington Redskins on September 21, 2008. That's less than two months from now.

That's why this QB battle is so important and why Whisenhunt and Leinart are both under so much pressure. Whisenhunt inherited this dilemma from Denny Green and he's handling it perfectly, in my opinion.

So too are Leinart and Warner. Both have impressed me with their commitment, professionalism and work ethic. All three things I would never have said about Leinart a year ago.

This is such a good dilemma to have, we tend to not appreciate it.
 
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Why? Three related reasons. And you know what they are already. Everybody does.

1. Whisenhunt is the head coach coach and until proven otherwise, we must assume he knows what he's doing.

2. As the coach, he knows QB is the single most important position on an NFL team. For Whisenhunt's long-term success here, he and the Cards need to know very soon if Leinart is our QB for the next five to ten years. If not, we need to draft several QBs in the next two years during that time span.

3. All of this matters because good QBs take such a large proportion of CAP $$$s. All our other contracts depend on Leinart's re-up costs which will be decided in 2008 and reinforced and acted upon by the end of the 2009 season, if not sooner.


Going out on an opinion limb, even Warner's contract extension value and length of deal will be determined and maybe acted upon shortly after the end of the 3rd game at Washington Redskins on September 21, 2008. That's less than two months from now.

That's why this QB battle is so important and why Whisenhunt and Leinart are both under so much pressure. Whisenhunt inherited this dilemma from Denny Green and he's handling it perfectly, in my opinion.

So too are Leinart and Warner. Both have impressed me with their commitment, professionalism and work ethic. All three things I would never have said about Leinart a year ago.

This is such a good dilemma to have, we tend to not appreciate it.


It really is a good dilemma to have Skkorp! Remember the long drought at QB between Neil Lomaxx and Jake Plummer? Wow. We would have settled for one good QB much less two.
 

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The key to KW or ML is the 0-line. period

Yep. O-Line buys the time, and our receivers give ML the target.

Fact is I'm with Reddog on this - if there was one thing that I'd be concerned about, it's ML's injuries. I have this nagging feeling in my head that ML just may be Rex Grossman in the sense that we'll never get a true feeling for the guy until he's healthy for a year (not from the standpoint that he'll suck if he is healthy - but that may be true too).

The O-Line has to hold up. I wouldn't mind seeing the RB stick around for a bit to pick up a block if needed before going out on a delayed release more often than not (also helps with a draw play).

Stay healthy Leinart. We need you for the entire season.
 

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