Let's talk about Kevin Minter, 45th overall pick

[PDXChris]

The most concerning thing about Minter is that while Washington was on suspension he couldn't unseat Brinkley for any decent playing time. To me that speaks volumes. Considering ILB's generally transition to the NFL very well.

He was not healthy at that point. He was inactive 3 of the first 4 games due to injury issues.

 

[Hollywood]

Well, people that follow their own threads will likely talk about it. SissyBoyFloyd? Probably not so much.

Minter made a BIG special teams hit yesterday. So that's good. Minter could turn out to be a solid player, and we may find out in 8 months if Dansby doesn't come back. But we also lost whatever value we could have gotten from a 2nd round pick at tackle or wideout or tight end or something.

So, could turn out to be a good player, but that won't change a lost of one year's cost-controlled performance on the field.

I'm still wondering why so many people are pencilling Earl Watford into a starting guard job when he's been inactive literally all season.

I was thinking about this yesterday. More to the point I was wondering why this guy can't crack the starting lineup. It isn't like our line is full of all pros or anything.

OP is silly so I am helping you hijack this thread.

 

[Snakester]

I am looking forward to Minter being the backup for a couple more years and learning from two of the best.

 

[ajcardfan]

I am looking forward to Minter being the backup for a couple more years and learning from two of the best.

Yeah, they CANNOT let Dansby go to play Minter. Dansby is having an MVP type season, and is a leader of this defense.

My main concern about Minter, is that he is short, only six feet. I'm afraid that lack of size will make him primarily a run down specialist in the future. I know there are lots of example of short guys (Sam Mills, London Fletcher) who can play ILB at a high level as three down players, we just don't have any data on Minter right now.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I'm still pretty convinced that the Cards wanted to draft an offensive tackle or one of the TEs with that second-round pick, and when Ertz went off the board they just kind of threw up their hands.

I think they had Ertz targeted too. In fact, I was texting with scout friend about Ertz right when he was selected.

I was asking about Ertz and he sent me a text saying good player and should be there when the Cards pick.

His next text was, that's a surprise.

Then they came on TV and said Philadelphia selects TE Zach Ertz, Stanford.

After that, I think Cards just went with highest rated player on board regardless of position. I can't blame them for that and we'll see how it plays out for Minter over the years.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

He will be a big run stopper, will be interesting to see how he does in coverage.

This I believe was his weakness coming out of college I believe. So covering skills and ability will have to be worked on.

 

[cardpa]

Minter may be in the mix at ILB next year. I for one don't see Dansby as a lock to be here next year. I would go as far as to say its much less than 50% he will be in Cardinal red next year. He is already campaigning for DPOY which translates to a hunt for a large contract. Never forget Dansby is all about the money and he is using this year as a springboard for the money whether it be here or anywhere else.

Dansby came into a good situation for him here as Dwash was out the first 4 games and Minter wasn't ready so the team was thin at ILB. On to of that Bowles and his schemes fit Dansby's play well and all the pieces fell together for Dansby. Let's just say the team took a chance on Dansby and he took advantage of the opportunity in search of that next big contract.

If you believe Dansby is looking for anything else you are fooling yourself.

 

[GuernseyCard]

Minter may be in the mix at ILB next year. I for one don't see Dansby as a lock to be here next year. I would go as far as to say its much less than 50% he will be in Cardinal red next year. He is already campaigning for DPOY which translates to a hunt for a large contract. Never forget Dansby is all about the money and he is using this year as a springboard for the money whether it be here or anywhere else.

Dansby came into a good situation for him here as Dwash was out the first 4 games and Minter wasn't ready so the team was thin at ILB. On to of that Bowles and his schemes fit Dansby's play well and all the pieces fell together for Dansby. Let's just say the team took a chance on Dansby and he took advantage of the opportunity in search of that next big contract.

If you believe Dansby is looking for anything else you are fooling yourself.

If Los thinks there's a big contract out there at his age, he's fooling himself.

 

[Chopper0080]

Well, people that follow their own threads will likely talk about it. SissyBoyFloyd? Probably not so much.

Minter made a BIG special teams hit yesterday. So that's good. Minter could turn out to be a solid player, and we may find out in 8 months if Dansby doesn't come back. But we also lost whatever value we could have gotten from a 2nd round pick at tackle or wideout or tight end or something.

So, could turn out to be a good player, but that won't change a lost of one year's cost-controlled performance on the field.

I'm still wondering why so many people are pencilling Earl Watford into a starting guard job when he's been inactive literally all season.

Almost our entire draft class is a big question mark heading into next year. Eliington and Taylor are probably set to take on bigger roles, but Cooper, Minter, Mathieu, Okafer and Watford are all question marks with how they will come back.

I liked the Watford pick when it was made, but was a very raw player coming out which is why there are question marks regarding his development. I have no idea how he has progressed, but if he does, he should be a keeper due to his athleticism. He is a dice roll.

I hope Cooper and Mathieu both come back strong, but both had major injuries so you never know. Hard to count on either to fill a starter role for week 1, though Cooper should have had enough time to start at LG ASAP.

Minter was a wasted pick at this point. Not that he has been a bad player, we just could have used that pick on a player who filled a bigger need. That being said, Minter is at least some insurance if Dansby leaves...

 

[Chopper0080]

I think they had Ertz targeted too. In fact, I was texting with scout friend about Ertz right when he was selected.

I was asking about Ertz and he sent me a text saying good player and should be there when the Cards pick.

His next text was, that's a surprise.

Then they came on TV and said Philadelphia selects TE Zach Ertz, Stanford.

After that, I think Cards just went with highest rated player on board regardless of position. I can't blame them for that and we'll see how it plays out for Minter over the years.

I agree with you both.

 

[cardpa]

If Los thinks there's a big contract out there at his age, he's fooling himself.

Doesn't mean he won't be looking for one. He isn't campaigning for DPOY for no reason other than to use it as leverage for a big contract. His play this year and his campaigning is for that last big contract. He saids all the right things but Los is very much for himself.

 

[kerouac9]

Almost our entire draft class is a big question mark heading into next year. Eliington and Taylor are probably set to take on bigger roles, but Cooper, Minter, Mathieu, Okafer and Watford are all question marks with how they will come back.

I liked the Watford pick when it was made, but was a very raw player coming out which is why there are question marks regarding his development. I have no idea how he has progressed, but if he does, he should be a keeper due to his athleticism. He is a dice roll.

I hope Cooper and Mathieu both come back strong, but both had major injuries so you never know. Hard to count on either to fill a starter role for week 1, though Cooper should have had enough time to start at LG ASAP.

Minter was a wasted pick at this point. Not that he has been a bad player, we just could have used that pick on a player who filled a bigger need. That being said, Minter is at least some insurance if Dansby leaves...

I'm sorry, is it 2013 and you're talking about Earl Watford, or is it 2012 and you're talking about Senio Kelemete?

 

[Chopper0080]

I'm sorry, is it 2013 and you're talking about Earl Watford, or is it 2012 and you're talking about Senio Kelemete?

Absolutely true. They are very similar. Both were LT in college. Both were good athletes. Both had to transition to playing inside. Kelemete obviously never developed, and we will see on Watford.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I'm sorry, is it 2013 and you're talking about Earl Watford, or is it 2012 and you're talking about Senio Kelemete?

giggle

Very true.

I have Watford pencilled in at the starting RG, but that is why it is pencilled, cause it can be easily erased.

I too, am fine with Fanaika at RG next season, and he is already under contract so to speak for next year.

When talking about the worst player on the line, at least it is not Adam Snyder.

..........and please, no PFF stats on Snyder from anyone, no stat is going to tell me that Snyder is not a very poor NFL lineman.

 

[PJ1]

Minter a throwback ILB....Not as mobile but can lay the wood. Has done real well on special teams.

 

[GuernseyCard]

Doesn't mean he won't be looking for one. He isn't campaigning for DPOY for no reason other than to use it as leverage for a big contract. His play this year and his campaigning is for that last big contract. He saids all the right things but Los is very much for himself.

Business is business. And Los seeking the best deal possible is not a character flaw. What he wants and what he gets will be tempered by reality and so be it.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

On Watford, I think he has the potential to start next year. From what I saw in pre-season, his athleticism is off the charts for a guard. Whether that transitions, or not, remains to be seen. I would love to see Watford and Cooper take over the 2 OG spots for the next 5-7 years.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Business is business. And Los seeking the best deal possible is not a character flaw. What he wants and what he gets will be tempered by reality and so be it.

bingo.

 

[Southpaw]

I see Minter playing at a level somewhere between Monte Teo and Buster Davis.

 

[cardpa]

Business is business. And Los seeking the best deal possible is not a character flaw. What he wants and what he gets will be tempered by reality and so be it.

I totally agree. This business is a high money short term deal. It's not like you can stay in it for 20 + years playing. All I'm saying is no one should be thinking that Los is going to take less from the Cardinals because they gave him a chance to shine again. There will be no home town discount from Los. He is a show me the money guy.

 

[Duckjake]

I totally agree. This business is a high money short term deal. It's not like you can stay in it for 20 + years playing. All I'm saying is no one should be thinking that Los is going to take less from the Cardinals because they gave him a chance to shine again. There will be no home town discount from Los. He is a show me the money guy.

Nor should anyone think the Cardinals would keep Dansby if he weren't performing to a certain level or if they think he wants too much money. There would be no icon bonus from Bidwill. See Adrian Wilson. The Cardinals are a show me the money franchise. Just like all the others in the NFL.

 

[Hollywood]

I totally agree. This business is a high money short term deal. It's not like you can stay in it for 20 + years playing. All I'm saying is no one should be thinking that Los is going to take less from the Cardinals because they gave him a chance to shine again. There will be no home town discount from Los. He is a show me the money guy.

Nor should anyone think the Cardinals would keep Dansby if he weren't performing to a certain level or if they think he wants too much money. There would be no icon bonus from Bidwill. See Adrian Wilson. The Cardinals are a show me the money franchise. Just like all the others in the NFL.

Just like it should be.

 

[Cardiac]

I totally agree. This business is a high money short term deal. It's not like you can stay in it for 20 + years playing. All I'm saying is no one should be thinking that Los is going to take less from the Cardinals because they gave him a chance to shine again. There will be no home town discount from Los. He is a show me the money guy.

I hope you are wrong but wouldn't bet a nickel against you.

The hope is that Los has done a good job of saving his 50 some million (Guess on my part) that he has already earned. That while he won't give a big discount that he will factor in how much fun he is having being a playmaker on this D. That he loves playing for BA and Bowles and the culture on this team. That he doesn't have any lingering doubts about this franchise since Graves (Whiz?) is gone and Michael now how complete control.

IIRC K9 brought up an interesting point when Los initially left the Cards for fairly similar money. The FO did nothing to help Los with his status in the NFL. No stumping for Pro Bowls etc.

Has anyone heard anything from the Cards brass or coaches supporting his view that he should be Defensive Player of the Year? If they have it hasn't been enough. Show the man some love and it may help keep him here.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Business is business. And Los seeking the best deal possible is not a character flaw. What he wants and what he gets will be tempered by reality and so be it.

This about sums it up for me also.

 

[cardpa]

I hope you are wrong but wouldn't bet a nickel against you.

The hope is that Los has done a good job of saving his 50 some million (Guess on my part) that he has already earned. That while he won't give a big discount that he will factor in how much fun he is having being a playmaker on this D. That he loves playing for BA and Bowles and the culture on this team. That he doesn't have any lingering doubts about this franchise since Graves (Whiz?) is gone and Michael now how complete control.

IIRC K9 brought up an interesting point when Los initially left the Cards for fairly similar money. The FO did nothing to help Los with his status in the NFL. No stumping for Pro Bowls etc.

Has anyone heard anything from the Cards brass or coaches supporting his view that he should be Defensive Player of the Year? If they have it hasn't been enough. Show the man some love and it may help keep him here.

I would love nothing more than to be wrong but like you said I wouldn't bet a nickel against it. It's just the nature of the beast nowadays.