Levi Brown headed to Steelers?

[crisper57]

Also, if he becomes a Pro Bowl guard in a year, I am gonna throw up.

 

[sunsfan88]

[URL="https://twitter.com/MikeSilver"]Michael Silver ‏@MikeSilver 1h [/URL]The Cardinals took Levi Brown over Adrian Peterson. Then personnel director Steve Keim had to restrain himself in the war room. He's now GM.

Michael Silver ‏@MikeSilver 1h Rod Graves and Ken Whisenhunt wanted a tackle (Brown) & the team had signed Edgerrin James a year earlier. Keim wanted Peterson in worst way

Ouch.

 

[Bert]

Also, if he becomes a Pro Bowl guard in a year, I am gonna throw up.

He will. He will play out of his mind and become an all-pro. That's just how it works, because the football Gods hate us.

 

[BillsCarnage]

Michael Silver ‏@MikeSilver 1h Rod Graves and Ken Whisenhunt wanted a tackle (Brown) & the team had signed Edgerrin James a year earlier. Keim wanted Peterson in worst way

Ouch.

What good would it have done to draft Peterson if you don't have an Oline to open up holes.
Hindsight is 20/20 and there's nothing that says Peterson would have turned into a great rusher for the Cards.

 

[Broseph]

What good would it have done to draft Peterson if you don't have an Oline to open up holes.
Hindsight is 20/20 and there's nothing that says Peterson would have turned into a great rusher for the Cards.

Barry Sanders didn't have an all-star line. You cannot pass up talent that unique at the RB position. Keim was right about Peterson.

 

[BillsCarnage]

Barry Sanders didn't have an all-star line. You cannot pass up talent that unique at the RB position. Keim was right about Peterson.

I'm not questioning the talent. Just saying there was no guarantee he would have been successful w/ the Cards. It's all hindsight now.

 

[Cheesebeef]

What good would it have done to draft Peterson if you don't have an Oline to open up holes.
Hindsight is 20/20 and there's nothing that says Peterson would have turned into a great rusher for the Cards.

BS. Peterson doesn't have a great line now and he's still out of this world.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I'm not questioning the talent. Just saying there was no guarantee he would have been successful w/ the Cards. It's all hindsight now.

when you talk about how awful of a decision the pick was at the time it was made, that's not hindsight. that's called foresight.

 

[Mulli]

BS. Peterson doesn't have a great line now and he's still out of this world.

That was a terrible year to draft an OT, but Leonard Davis was available.

I really think we should all rehash this again.


NOTE: Bushrod is still in the league and was drafted in the 4th.

 

[Duckjake]

BS. Peterson doesn't have a great line now and he's still out of this world.

Plus Peterson would have been playing with Warner, Boldin and Fitzgerald. He would have finished last in rushing attempts but still gained 1500 yards a season.

 

[Totally_Red]

I'm not questioning the talent. Just saying there was no guarantee he would have been successful w/ the Cards. It's all hindsight now.

It's not hindsight. Keim wanted Peterson then versus an offensive tackle that the Cardinals reached for because Whis and Rod Graves wanted him to fill a need.

Edgerin James was a passibly decent running back for the Cardinals with an average or worse line and helped the Cardinals immensely in the Super Bowl run. But he's long since retired while Adrian Peterson is racking up outstanding running totals for a one-dimensional Vikings offense. I don't think it stretches the imagination to project success for AP in Arizona.

 

[PDXChris]

I agree. But it seems like we are reloading a .44 Magnum with .22 shorts.

Which is better than the blanks we had been using.

 

[40yearfan]

when you talk about how awful of a decision the pick was at the time it was made, that's not hindsight. that's called foresight.

Speaking of foresight, did you hear a Jewish group just bought the Redskins and are going to change the name to the Foreskins?

 

[Chopper0080]

Good move by the Cardinals. They will be worse at LT for the rest of the year, but it is always good to get something in return for something you were going to throw away. Furthermore LT was already a need next year so they didn't create any additional holes for the future. This should repalce the pick the Cardinals gave up for Palmer and hopefully Keim makes the most out of it.

Personally, I expect the Cardinals to make a huge push for Brandon Albert in the offseason and take a QB in round 1. Palmer is set to make 10 mil and I can see them prefering to put that towards a veteran LT to protect a rookie QB.

 

[Totally_Red]

Josh Weinfuss on the trade.

Brown’s likely replacement is Bradley Sowell, who the Cardinals claimed off waivers Sept. 1. Sowell played for Arians and offensive coordinator Harold Goodwin last season in Indianapolis. In his second season, Sowell’s youth and athleticism can benefit this offensive line, especially against those same speed rushers who plagued Brown. He’s 6-foot-7 and 315 pounds and faced NFL-caliber speed in college while at the University of Mississippi.

And he’s cheaper. Brown was slated to make $4.75 million this season while Sowell’s base salary is $480,000.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/109237/levi-browns-days-in-arizona-needed-to-be-over

 

[BillsCarnage]

It's not hindsight. Keim wanted Peterson then versus an offensive tackle that the Cardinals reached for because Whis and Rod Graves wanted him to fill a need.

I don't think it stretches the imagination to project success for AP in Arizona.

It's not a stretch to imagine that, I'm just saying there was no guarantee Peterson would have been as successful. He could have just as easily blown out his knees or ankles, or lost confidence from being behind a line that wouldn't open holes for him. That's all I'm saying.

It's impossible to say he'd have success here; it's a completely different situation.
We'll never know.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Speaking of foresight, did you hear a Jewish group just bought the Redskins and are going to change the name to the Foreskins?

ha...I'd hate to see that helmet. if they sucked, you know a legion of fans would start calling them the *********!

 

[wa52lz]

Plus Peterson would have been playing with Warner, Boldin and Fitzgerald. He would have finished last in rushing attempts but still gained 1500 yards a season.

But if Peterson provides some semblance of a running game, is that enough to keep Matty Boy in @ QB as a game manger type in a run heavy offense?? We might have never seen the resurgance of Warner. Chances are sometime last year there'd have been some, 5-11 with him, 5-11 without him talk.

 

[Chopper0080]

Another thought on the matter. As a gameplanner, there is nothing more difficult than dealing with players who are inconsistent. If I knew a player was going to give me a certain level of production, regardless of the level, I was able to develop a scheme that would work around that player's limitations. It became more difficult when I had a player whose would give me varying level's of production because I had a tendency to gameplan to that player's top level of production rather than their bottom level. This led to more disappointment and issues with the player who was inconsistent but more talented than the player who was consistent with less talent.

 

[Azlen]

The whole Keim, AP, Levi thing is why I think it's difficult to judge Keim too much based on what happened before he was in charge. We have no idea in other situations where he was overruled and where they went with what he wanted. He didn't have final say. Tough to judge him on that.

 

[Buckybird]

I knew it would work

Bought this in Nawlins 2 weeks ago & this weekend jabbed 3 pins in him...voodoo does work

 

[GuernseyCard]

when you talk about how awful of a decision the pick was at the time it was made, that's not hindsight. that's called foresight.

But, if I remember correctly the "crystal ball" says that you don't select players with an injury history in College.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

But, if I remember correctly the "crystal ball" says that you don't select players with an injury history in College.

Not true, but you do have to weigh the risk vs the reward and decide if it's worth making the gamble.

 

[GuernseyCard]

Not true, but you do have to weigh the risk vs the reward and decide if it's worth making the gamble.

I agree.

But, some have said that one didn't need a crystal ball to know that Williams was a bad pick given injuries previous. So, given this, one should have passed on Peterson and RGIII, amongst many. Guess the crystal ball gives conflicting and confusing messages.

 

[Totally_Red]

But, if I remember correctly the "crystal ball" says that you don't select players with an injury history in College.

Depends on the player. It's a good gamble with AP and a bad gamble with Chris Wells.