Logan Thomas not making progress

[Buckybird]

BA never had any intention of playing LT last year---he said it from the start that LT would be a 2-3 year project.

The problem was that BA also never figured he would need to play a #3 QB and thus, even though LT was forced to play in the Denver game, he had still not been given any reps with the starters.

LT had been serving as the scout team QB and wasn't even running BA's offense.

Clearly, LT did not know the offense very well at all...which is mostly on the coaches.

They signed Lindley because he knew the offense---not because they thought he was a more talented QB.

Jimmy Garoppolo threw 5 interceptions in OTA's the other day---the Patriots encourage their QBs to take risks in practice, because they feel the QBs learn best by making the mistakes in practice.

Therefore, at this stage of the off-season, to judge Thomas or anyone else on what's transpiring in the OTAs is very pre-mature.

Young QB are going to struggle until they start getting major reps and game experience.

And let's not forget that it took Carson Palmer a whole off-season and 8 games to start gaining a command of BA's offense.

In Logan Thomas, with his size, mobility and arm strength, BA gambled on greatness. BA felt that he could groom him and coach him up. Now's the time to see if he can. But, to call him a wasted pick at this point, is not fair to him or to BA and the coaches.

Sorry Mitch, Imo but nobody involved with this team gambled on greatness with Blogan Thomas. He never had a chance at even being mediocre...he sucked in college & seemed to always struggle throwing the rock throughout his career outside of 1 game against the U.

I don't care what anyone says, you can't teach accuracy.

 

[GiantCardFan]

I don't care what anyone says, you can't teach accuracy.

I've totally ignored this argument as it's been repeated over and over, but now it's time to disagree. Accuracy is usually nothing more than a matter of practice. Learning to throw a football or a baseball is no different than learning to shoot a gun or an arrow. Practice and more practice. What you can't teach are smarts or good judgment or fast thinking.

 

[juza76]

I've totally ignored this argument as it's been repeated over and over, but now it's time to disagree. Accuracy is usually nothing more than a matter of practice. Learning to throw a football or a baseball is no different than learning to shoot a gun or an arrow. Practice and more practice. What you can't teach are smarts or good judgment or fast thinking.

agree,but i think he imply it
ability to read plays,time of reaction,quick deliver,in less then 0.5 second things and player position can change,and the result can be a bad throw

 

[Jetstream Green]

Sorry Mitch, Imo but nobody involved with this team gambled on greatness with Blogan Thomas. He never had a chance at even being mediocre...he sucked in college & seemed to always struggle throwing the rock throughout his career outside of 1 game against the U.

I don't care what anyone says, you can't teach accuracy.

I said it way back with QBs and I will say it again, you can't teach accuracy and I have yet to see any QB in the NFL that sucked with accuracy in college and then found it in the NFL. Sure, there are some QBs in college that forced the ball in there and took risks which resulted in interceptions but those picks did not result in the QB having poor accuracy but rather poor judgment, Favre and others come to mind. The only hope I had with Thomas was his lack of accuracy was the result of being on a dysfunctional team and inconsistent coaching rather than his arm

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I've totally ignored this argument as it's been repeated over and over, but now it's time to disagree. Accuracy is usually nothing more than a matter of practice. Learning to throw a football or a baseball is no different than learning to shoot a gun or an arrow. Practice and more practice. What you can't teach are smarts or good judgment or fast thinking.

I completely disagree with this assessment. I'll agree that you can improve slightly but not by the leaps and bounds that LT needs to become a viable NFL QB.

Using this theory, Shaquille O'neal could have been a top 3 point shooter in the NBA if he would have just practiced it enough. It's the same reason some players have 3 point range and other have 10 foot range.

 

[WisconsinCard]

I've totally ignored this argument as it's been repeated over and over, but now it's time to disagree. Accuracy is usually nothing more than a matter of practice. Learning to throw a football or a baseball is no different than learning to shoot a gun or an arrow. Practice and more practice. What you can't teach are smarts or good judgment or fast thinking.

I think this is true if you're in third grade, but I believe you are what you are when if comes to accuracy when you enter college. You may improve slightly with footwork or the fact that you're working with better receivers, but that's about it IMO.

 

[Buckybird]

I completely disagree with this assessment. I'll agree that you can improve slightly but not by the leaps and bounds that LT needs to become a viable NFL QB.

Using this theory, Shaquille O'neal could have been a top 3 point shooter in the NBA if he would have just practiced it enough. It's the same reason some players have 3 point range and other have 10 foot range.

 

[Buckybird]

I think this is true if you're in third grade, but I believe you are what you are when if comes to accuracy when you enter college. You may improve slightly with footwork or the fact that you're working with better receivers, but that's about it IMO.

 

[Zeno]

I said it way back with QBs and I will say it again, you can't teach accuracy and I have yet to see any QB in the NFL that sucked with accuracy in college and then found it in the NFL. Sure, there are some QBs in college that forced the ball in there and took risks which resulted in interceptions but those picks did not result in the QB having poor accuracy but rather poor judgment, Favre and others come to mind. The only hope I had with Thomas was his lack of accuracy was the result of being on a dysfunctional team and inconsistent coaching rather than his arm

Favre did only have a 52.4% completion rate in college and finished with a 61.4% as a pro but he is an exception not someone we can point to as hope for Thomas.

Montana also wasn't super accurate in college and improved (52.0% in college 63.2% in the NFL).

I didn't like the Thomas pick at the time and still don't but some players can improve, I just doubt he has Favres love of the game or Montana's smarts to do what it takes to make such a leap in improvement. I could be completely wrong on both counts but I don't think so.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I completely disagree with this assessment. I'll agree that you can improve slightly but not by the leaps and bounds that LT needs to become a viable NFL QB.

Using this theory, Shaquille O'neal could have been a top 3 point shooter in the NBA if he would have just practiced it enough. It's the same reason some players have 3 point range and other have 10 foot range.

Rick Barry disagrees with you. He thinks that he could have turned Shaq into a 75-80% FT shooter.

 

[Russ Smith]

I've totally ignored this argument as it's been repeated over and over, but now it's time to disagree. Accuracy is usually nothing more than a matter of practice. Learning to throw a football or a baseball is no different than learning to shoot a gun or an arrow. Practice and more practice. What you can't teach are smarts or good judgment or fast thinking.

I think those are part of accuracy in the NFL though. A big part of it is throwing the ball on time and putting it where the WR WILL be when the ball arrives. Not high, not out in front, or behind, but on the WR.

i'm sure you can improve the guys chances of hitting a target on the side of a stationary building, but that's not relevant in the NFL.

Many years ago the St Louis Cards had a Qb from Texas named Rick McIvor. One year the scouting report on him quoted an unnamed coach as saying "he can throw a ball through a brick wall his arm is so strong. Unfortunately, he was probably aiming for the concrete wall next to the brick wall."

that's sort of how I see Thomas

 

[cardpa]

Rick Barry disagrees with you. He thinks that he could have turned Shaq into a 75-80% FT shooter.

Kind of not the same thing. Shooting a ball at a stationary basket from the exact same distance with no one trying to disrupt you every time is a bit different than throwing a football to someone who is running, often at angles and at different speeds at different distances and having guys trying to disrupt you while doing it is a wee bit different.

Historically even FT shooters pretty much stay the same even with help. They may experience an up tick over a period of time however in the long run they usually revert back to their historic levels. Hank Haney thought he could solve Charles Barkley's golf swing too and did for a little while however CB is right back where he was before hooking up with HH.

 

[Russ Smith]

Rick Barry disagrees with you. He thinks that he could have turned Shaq into a 75-80% FT shooter.

Which is patently untrue because Rick tried for years to help teammates Clifford Ray and George Johnson and they still couldn't make FT's. Johnson even switched to underhand.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Kind of not the same thing. Shooting a ball at a stationary basket from the exact same distance with no one trying to disrupt you every time is a bit different than throwing a football to someone who is running, often at angles and at different speeds at different distances and having guys trying to disrupt you while doing it is a wee bit different.

Historically even FT shooters pretty much stay the same even with help. They may experience an up tick over a period of time however in the long run they usually revert back to their historic levels. Hank Haney thought he could solve Charles Barkley's golf swing too and did for a little while however CB is right back where he was before hooking up with HH.

I understand it isn't a moving target or people disrupting or every throw, but it is possible to teach an old dog new tricks. You see pitchers learning a new pitch. You see big men studying with greats and learning a jump hook. You see soccer players learn to curl the ball. You even see QBs change their throwing motion and/or footwork in order to increase accuracy.

I'm not saying that it isn't rare, it is. It just isn't as impossible as some people think.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Which is patently untrue because Rick tried for years to help teammates Clifford Ray and George Johnson and they still couldn't make FT's. Johnson even switched to underhand.

We don't know how well they took his advice, how much they practiced etc. We can't say for sure that it wouldn't work for Shaq because it didn't work for someone else. Is a teacher a bad teacher if he doesn't breakthrough with all of his/her students? If he/she changes even one student's life, did they make enough of an impact?

I think we all understand that Logan has a tall, tall hill to climb.

 

[Russ Smith]

We don't know how well they took his advice, how much they practiced etc. We can't say for sure that it wouldn't work for Shaq because it didn't work for someone else. Is a teacher a bad teacher if he doesn't breakthrough with all of his/her students? If he/she changes even one student's life, did they make enough of an impact?

I think we all understand that Logan has a tall, tall hill to climb.

Well Barry has been saying that for years and when he's asked about Ray and Johnson he always says they didn't want to learn. Johnson literally changed to shooting underhand, and At Attles said over and over the 2 guys spent lots of time working on their FT's, they just couldn't make them.

Part of it was Rick was trying very hard to break back into the NBA as a coach and nobody would hire him.

Every coach Shaq ever had would tell that same junk about it was mental, he makes 75% in practice, but none of them were ever able to get him to shoot better he was just never going to be a good FT shooter.

 

[MadCardDisease]

At practice today Logan Thomas showed ZERO improvement IMO. I really can't see him making the 53 man roster.

It was bad. Overthrows... Underthrows... Indecision...

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Ugh, I had high hopes for this guy.

 

[Buckybird]

I'm shocked as hell

 

[SoCal Cardfan]

I'm less pissed about our 4th rounders progress, than the FO's complacency with "one read" Stanton as our #2.

 

[MadCardDisease]

I'm less pissed about our 4th rounders progress, than the FO's complacency with "one read" Stanton as our #2.

Stanton looked great today. He drove the second team offense against the starting defense for a couple of TDs. I'd say he is one of the top 5 back up QBs in the league.

 

[ajcardfan]

At practice today Logan Thomas showed ZERO improvement IMO. I really can't see him making the 53 man roster.

It was bad. Overthrows... Underthrows... Indecision...

Logan Thomas is the poster child for "Looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane".

 

[ajcardfan]

Stanton looked great today. He drove the second team offense against the starting defense for a couple of TDs. I'd say he is one of the top 5 back up QBs in the league.

+1

 

[Garthshort]

MadCard, agree with you about Stanton.

 

[DVontel]

Stanton looked great today. He drove the second team offense against the starting defense for a couple of TDs. I'd say he is one of the top 5 back up QBs in the league.

How has Sims been looking?