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Maybe for the first time in my lifetime, the Suns have no awful contracts.

Here's a look at who makes what, who's signed through what year, and who might be trade bait:

Emeka Okafor: Not even currently in Phoenix. Rehabbing in NY. Current assumption is he'll be ready for the playoffs, and the Suns intend to buy him out for half a season and trade him at the deadline to a playoff team. That could change, but he's not ever going to see a game in a Suns uni no matter what.

Goran Dragic: Locked in at $7.5 mil per through 2015-16. National guys keep waiting for the Suns to trade him. I think he's here at least through the rebuilding process. I expect he will play out his contract with the Suns. Not untradeable, just unlikely because of his value.

Channing Frye: $6.4 mil this year, $6.8 mil next. I don't think the Suns can or will trade him this year, but he will make a nice sub for a playoff team for the right price. Unless he totally goes in the tank, I think he'll get traded eventually. The closer the Suns are to .500 at the trading deadline, the greater the likelihood he gets traded.

Gerald Green: $3.5 mil per next two years. Decent contract and trade bait as a minor wing scorer off the bench. He just has little value, because he doesn't do anything besides rack up shot attempts.

Alex Len: Rookie contract. He has two years, IMO, to show promise. I don't think the Suns are as committed to him as others around the league think they are. If he looks stiff this year, he could be packaged and shipped. I did not think this way to start the week, before we saw Miles Plumlee.

The Morri: A combined $5 to 6 mil the next two years guaranteed. These are the two marginally bad contracts. It would be nice to lose them, but they would have to be packaged. Otherwise, I think they're both buyout possibilities at the end of the year. Suns aren't worried about their cap space, and these guys would just be stealing minutes from other players who could actually use it next year.

Kravtsov: $1.5 million this year. Luckily, he will never play enough this year that I will have to learn how to pronounce his name.

Eric Bledsoe. Two years left on his rookie contract. His shooting hasn't improved a lick, and it doesn't look like it ever will. He's not taking a lot of bad shots. He's just not a good shooter, and it's hard to imagine how you can commit to a guard shooting in the low 40s. He puts up good defensive numbers, but he's not a great perimeter defender. He's a good passer for a shooting guard, not a point guard, where his body suggests he should play. I think he's fine for this team this year, but I think he's an enigma long term. If he gets a deal more than $8 mil a year, I suggest the Suns take a pass. An extended run of form late in the season could change my mind. He may just be one of those players who doesn't heat up until the games mean something. I dunno. I'd rather just analyze players based on their overall performance. I'm all about value.

Miles Plumlee: What a steal. $1.1 mil this year, $1.2 mil next year, $2.1 mil team option, and $3.1 in a QO year. I suspect he projects as a 4/5 bench player on a really good team, but we'll see how he develops. I don't know how you keep 3 blocks a game on the bench, but I think over the course of a season, he's going to wear down. I also think his rebound numbers are deceiving since he's getting a LOT of minutes. He still has a lot of "SHOW ME" ahead of him against better big men.

Archie Goodwin: Minuscule rookie contract. This looks like a really good deal. Unless he never develops on the offensive end. He has a LOOOOOOONG way to go to become a player who deserves to be in the regular rotation. It's alarming how lost he looks on offense.

PJ Tucker: Suns only UFA of note next off-season. I hope this guy hasn't had to pick up the tab for anyone, because Okafor makes as much in one month what Tucker is collecting for a season ($884K). The most consistent player on the roster. Due for a big raise. How much would you pay him? I think he's going to be in the $5 mil or $6 mil range after this season.
 
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I'd be surprised if Tucker goes that high, because he's already 28 and it's pretty clear that his ceiling is "role player on a bad team." But otherwise I agree with you. It's remarkable how clean the Suns have made their books look going forward. Now if only they can find some talent to spend all of that future salary on.
 

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If he keeps working on that corner 3 and keeps making it at a reasonable clip, I think the MLE is probably about the right amount for Tucker.
 

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I'd be surprised if Tucker goes that high, because he's already 28 and it's pretty clear that his ceiling is "role player on a bad team."

Come on, Eric, he'd be a great role player on contender. His age is against him for the Suns because we are likely 4-5 years away from being a contender. On defense he can guard almost anyone (some only for a short time). He's very good at denying the ball... we should probably move him around to whoever has a hot hand. Also he's very efficient offensively and he runs the floor and finishes well. His corner three is pretty good now and its improving. (His offensive efficiency rating was the best on the Suns by a good margin and he was in the top 4 among all SF/SGs with over 1000 minutes of PT. Topping him were Demarre Carroll, Lebron James and Jimmy Butler.)
 

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Come on, Eric, he'd be a great role player on contender. His age is against him for the Suns because we are likely 4-5 years away from being a contender. On defense he can guard almost anyone (some only for a short time). He's very good at denying the ball...

I agree he looks good on the Suns. But contending teams play at a higher level overall -- and, more to the point, so do their opponents, once you get deep into the playoffs. Maybe Tucker could elevate his game to compete, on either end, with the best wings in the league on a consistent basis over a seven-game series, but I doubt it. I do like Tucker, though, and hope he can stick around.
 

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Looking even more forward like next year, I see there are a lot of RFA that are very appealing. Gordon Hayward & Greg Monroe are who I hope PHX make offers that UTA & DET won't match. PHX has cap room and Monroe & Hayward are young, up and coming guys that could solidify the frontcourt with Len/Plumlee holding down the C spot. They could use the draft to get a stud SG or PG if they feel Bledsoe isn't here long term although I think he is a key piece going forward.
 

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Looking even more forward like next year, I see there are a lot of RFA that are very appealing. Gordon Hayward & Greg Monroe are who I hope PHX make offers that UTA & DET won't match. PHX has cap room and Monroe & Hayward are young, up and coming guys that could solidify the frontcourt with Len/Plumlee holding down the C spot. They could use the draft to get a stud SG or PG if they feel Bledsoe isn't here long term although I think he is a key piece going forward.

Waste our cap space by overpaying Heyward/Monroe? Hope McD doesn't have the same plan.
 

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In the short term future, what Hornacek needs to do is play Ish and Goodwin together regularly. It would benefit Goodwin the most since he's having to try to fit in with too many different players now. Reduce the confusion in his life. Ish is a very willing playmaker and once two of them develop some chemistry, Archie won't feel so lost out there and he won't have to try to score on his own every time. Maybe Ish won't feel inclined to shoot as much, the one thing he doesn't do well.

I'm a strong believer in playing the same guys together as much as possible, especially young guys. Most of them have enough on their plates just adapting to the NBA. The coaches around the league feel they need to micromanage their lineups, exploiting and/or avoiding every mismatch. In the playoffs with a veteran bunch who've been together a while, it may be worthwhile - may be. The rest of the time its better to let them learn to cope with whatever the opposition does.
 

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I think Channing Frye gets moved if he looks healthy in the first half of the year.

Oklahoma City would be an ideal destination. They need to ditch Kendrick Perkins' contract, and Frye would give them another big, but also someone who can stretch the floor and make up some of the perimeter scoring they lost in Kevin Martin.

The Suns shouldn't mind taking on Perks deal, it only goes for this year and next, and it would help them reach the salary floor.

This deal works:

Suns send:
Channing Frye

OKC sends:
Perkins
1st round pick

Obviously the Thunder pick will be a very low 1st rounder, but Frye isn't doing anything here long term and its probably worth taking the risk that you find a gem. It could also be a future 1st thats fairly distant, or a pick that is owed to OKC from someone else (I believe they have Dallas' pick).

Other assets could also be added, the Suns could add PJ Tucker to give the Thunder a role player and the Suns could role the dice on Perry Jones, or whatever.
 

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I think Channing Frye gets moved if he looks healthy in the first half of the year.

Oklahoma City would be an ideal destination. They need to ditch Kendrick Perkins' contract, and Frye would give them another big, but also someone who can stretch the floor and make up some of the perimeter scoring they lost in Kevin Martin.

The Suns shouldn't mind taking on Perks deal, it only goes for this year and next, and it would help them reach the salary floor.

This deal works:

Suns send:
Channing Frye

OKC sends:
Perkins
1st round pick

Obviously the Thunder pick will be a very low 1st rounder, but Frye isn't doing anything here long term and its probably worth taking the risk that you find a gem. It could also be a future 1st thats fairly distant, or a pick that is owed to OKC from someone else (I believe they have Dallas' pick).

Other assets could also be added, the Suns could add PJ Tucker to give the Thunder a role player and the Suns could role the dice on Perry Jones, or whatever.

Not worth it. The OKC pick might as well be a second rounder, and who wants Perk's salary. Two years of that is too long. Perk actually makes a little more than Frye, and their contracts are the same length.

The one big difference is that Frye's deal has a player option next year. If we find a FA or a trade deal we really like, we could convince him to opt out and stretch out the rest over more time.
 
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Not worth it. The OKC pick might as well be a second rounder, and who wants Perk's salary. Two years of that is too long.

I agree it isn't much in the way of compensation but I like the idea of moving Frye and Perkins will be an expiring next year so I don't think it's a horrible deal. I'd try to get the Dallas pick and a future 1 but Channing just takes away playing time AFAIC. Also, as UofA basketball fan, I'd like to see Frye get a chance to play for a relevant team. He's one of the good guys IMO.

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Not worth it. The OKC pick might as well be a second rounder, and who wants Perk's salary. Two years of that is too long. Perk actually makes a little more than Frye, and their contracts are the same length.

The one big difference is that Frye's deal has a player option next year. If we find a FA or a trade deal we really like, we could convince him to opt out and stretch out the rest over more time.

I read somewhere, at a much earlier date, the Thunder would be hesitant to move their first round pick because of the level of talent in the 2014 draft. This may be just speculation, but it does speak to the depth of this draft. A late first round pick in 2014 should have value. IMO, it would be a steal if the Suns received a first round pick for Frye.
 

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Another season of talks with OKC for Perkins. This time with Frye. Will it ever end?
 

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I read somewhere, at a much earlier date, the Thunder would be hesitant to move their first round pick because of the level of talent in the 2014 draft. This may be just speculation, but it does speak to the depth of this draft. A late first round pick in 2014 should have value. IMO, it would be a steal if the Suns received a first round pick for Frye.

Sure it would. But Perkins is negative value in the deal. If its straight up Frye for the pick, that would be much more acceptable.

I wonder if the Thunder would be interested in Okafor if we could get him healthy.
 
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After Durant, Westbrook, Ibaka, and Perkins, the Thunder don't have anyone making more than $3.9 million (Sefolosha). The Thunder aren't a great trading partner in that scenario.

I think Frye may be worth a small expiring contract and a 2nd rounder.
 

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OT: Speaking of $uns money

There was an article today about the 12 most expensive homes in the Valley.

Guess who came in #2 at $15.6 million. Our own Robert Sarver.

The Paradise Valley estate of Phoenix Suns majority owner Robert Sarver and his wife, Penny, has 12 patios, 12 bathrooms and a 12-car garage. Sarver also serves as chairman and CEO of Western Alliance Bancorporation. He purchased the home in 2009.

His favorite number is evidently "12". I guess his goal for the Suns is to come in 12th. :D



http://www.azcentral.com/business/r...nix-scottsdale-most-expensive-homes-prog.html
 

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It appears Len will be day-to-day all season. Maybe the Suns should consider handling the situation like the 76ers did with Noel. See Paul Coro blog at azcentral dated 11-4-13.

Dragic and rookie center Alex Len watched the Suns practice Monday afternoon at New Orleans Arena. Len will be day-to-day due to his left ankle’s reoccurring soreness, an expected byproduct of May surgery to repair a partial stress fracture. Spending the summer in a walking boot caused atrophy and the tendons in his ankle are inflamed.

“He’s always going to be day-to-day,” Hornacek said of Len.
“This is what we anticipated would probably happen all year. However, the way he came back in the beginning, we thought maybe it won’t be like that. Obviously, when you have those surgeries and the pounding and the extra weight that he has on, we knew it was a possibility. It’s not an injury.”

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/sun...miss-2-games-ankle-sprain.html?nclick_check=1
 

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