Looks Like the Cards will be picking at #5

[ajcardfan]

or Quinn

i'd be totally shocked if the Cardinals took a guy who was suspended for a season, no matter what the reason was.

 

[Evil Ash]

I guess.

Why did he miss this season??

Took gifts from an agent specifically watches. Lots of talent but have to watch for the red flags.

However we desperately need a consistent pass rush.

 

[Evil Ash]

i'd be totally shocked if the Cardinals took a guy who was suspended for a season, no matter what the reason was.

If thats the case, we can cross Newton off the list too with all his red flags

 

[splitsecond]

a.j. green.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

1st Rnd: QB, Pass Rush, OT(that can play, ASAP)
2nd Rnd: Pass Rush, OT(that can play, ASAP), S, TE, MLB

??????????

 

[CtCardinals78]

Carolina, Buffalo, and possibly Cincy all need QB's. If Luck declares what are the chances Luck, Mallett and Newton are gone by the time the Cards pick?

 

[football karma]

Carolina, Buffalo, and possibly Cincy all need QB's. If Luck declares what are the chances Luck, Mallett and Newton are gone by the time the Cards pick?

It's a great question, regardless of what Luck does.

If Luck stays in school, Carolina has Clausen and shouldnt feel compelled to reach.

Denver just took Tebow.

Buff could very well take Mallett -- strong armed kid who ought to be able to play in bad weather.

Cincy could take Cam Newton as they can give him time behind Carson Palmer.

 

[Dr. Jones]

If thats the case, we can cross Newton off the list too with all his red flags

Ehhh... Again, Newton's stuff is all circumstantial. And was stuff surrounding him. Not him.

AJ Green & Robert Quinn???? All them.

 

[Evil Ash]

Carolina, Buffalo, and possibly Cincy all need QB's. If Luck declares what are the chances Luck, Mallett and Newton are gone by the time the Cards pick?

If Luck declares, there's a fairly decent chance that both he and Newton will be taken before us @ 5.

 

[Dr. Jones]

It's a great question, regardless of what Luck does.

If Luck stays in school, Carolina has Clausen and shouldnt feel compelled to reach.

Denver just took Tebow.

Buff could very well take Mallett -- strong armed kid who ought to be able to play in bad weather.

Cincy could take Cam Newton as they can give him time behind Carson Palmer.

I think Mallett is perfect for Buffalo.

With Palmer being a Free Agent, I doubt he re-signs knowing Newton is waiting in the wings.

 

[Evil Ash]

Ehhh... Again, Newton's stuff is all circumstantial. And was stuff surrounding him. Not him.

AJ Green & Robert Quinn???? All them.

He committed plagarism, failed out of school, bought a stolen computer and panicked in getting rid of it, and is involved in a pay for play scandal. Those are just his off field red flags.

Talented player but I can see why people would be afraid to pay big bucks for a guy that has all sorts of problems and was only good for one year

 

[Chopper0080]

Carolina-DaQuan Bowers-DE (they miss Peppers)
-Solid athlete, creates pressure on the QB, and is a safe pick. Carolina will be taking a conservative coach that won't risk a top pick on a QB.

Denver-Nick Fairley-DT
-A difference maker on the defensive line. Suh makes this pick easier. Fairley can fit in the 3-4 or 4-3. Defense will be upgraded as it is terrible.

Buffalo-Robert Quinn-OLB
-Another player taken who can get after the QB. Great measurables and will work out well. Buffalo's offense is far better than it's D. Mayeb P Peterson here, but their secondary doesn't seem to be the problem.

Cincy-AJ Green-WR
-A difference maker on a team that might be getting rid of it's top 2 WR's. Defense needs help, but is stocked with young talent. The only way they go QB is if they trade Palmer before the draft.

Arizona-???
-Patrick Peterson, Prince Amukamara or Cam Newton fit here. This will be the call that will determine our near future. If Luck comes out, we will be able to trade up for him at this spot with the talent that would still be available.

 

[ajcardfan]

He committed plagarism, failed out of school, bought a stolen computer and panicked in getting rid of it, and is involved in a pay for play scandal. Those are just his off field red flags.

Talented player but I can see why people would be afraid to pay big bucks for a guy that has all sorts of problems and was only good for one year

The Cardinals, right or wrong, won't be taking him.

 

[Snakester]

Carimi would be a reach of Levi Brown proportions. Horrible pick if we do that at #5. But, it would fit the Cards MO.

Peterson is an instant starter and would move DRC to #2 and Toler to Nickel. This would allow whatever pass rushers we pick up more time to rush.

Plus, Peterson is a monster on Punt and Kickoff returns.

What makes Carimi more appealing at 5 than Peterson or Newton?

After watching Carimi for a few games and his last one the bowl game this year, I like everything about him. He's big, strong, finishes his blocks, is great at both pass and run blocking and the fact that we need an OT badly puts him way up there. Carimi is no Levi Brown. He has real attitude and finishes his blocks. If Whiz was smart he would have left Brown at RT where he did very well last year.

After watching Peterson, i am not nearly as impressed as I thought I would be. I think he will be a very good player, but he does not make my top ten. He's good, but he's not Deon Sanders good. He just doesn't make me want to spent the number five overall pick on him.

As far as Newton, He reminds me of Vince Young. I think he is a better runner but not as good of a passer. He throws good short passes, but he doesn't show me much down field. I want a guy who can get the ball down field and Newton has not shown that as of yet.

 

[AsUdUdE]

A few things I know...

1. Peterson won't reach #5,

2. Luck won't reach #5

So it's a moot point to discuss either... I read and heard Bufflo's beat writer talk about how much of a crush the F.O in Buffalo has on Prince Akarmouura, which would be interesting if they snagged him at #4...

Here is how I see it going down:

Carolina- Luck (He HAS to come out right?!)
Denver- Patrick Peterson
Buffalo- Prince
Cincinatti- AJ Green/DaQuan Bowers
Arizona- Robert Quinn/Cam Newton/Ryan Mallet/DaQuan Bowers

I have been from seat on the Newton band wagon since October, but I don't know if he is a Whiz type of guy, Ryan Mallett seems to be more in line to what kind of QB whiz wants...

HOWEVER, Other than taking flyers on late round guys, we have really never seen what kind of QB that he does want, one thing I have noticed about him (outside DRC) is he likes his early picks from big time college programs who have been in the big game and played against top competiton (ala Beanie Wells, Dan Williams, C Campbell), and one thing, Newton fits that mold..

I'm all about Cam Newton, I think he would bring excitement to the cards and a certain moxy.. I read an article the other day that the dude has not lost a game he has started since his sophmore year in High School... dude is special, and the cards need that on offense..

 

[Folster]

Outside of Luck, I'm not crazy about any QB in the first round especially with the 5th pick. I'd rather pick up an edge rusher in the 1st round and nab a solid QB in the 2nd or 3rd rounds unless there is a first round QB that the team is just absolutely sold on.

Bring in a vet like McNabb for stability and let Skelton and a rookie fight it out.

Any chance we could get Kolb?

 

[Zeno]

I think Mallett is perfect for Buffalo.

With Palmer being a Free Agent, I doubt he re-signs knowing Newton is waiting in the wings.

I am pretty sure Palmer is under contract for 2011. He could be CUT though depending on what the new coaching staff in Cincy wants.

 

[desertdawg]

I don't think the eagles will get a first and third for Kolb, maybe if they are late picks. Everybody knows Philly is desperate to get something for him, they can't shop him around another year and let him sit.

 

[Dr. Jones]

I am pretty sure Palmer is under contract for 2011. He could be CUT though depending on what the new coaching staff in Cincy wants.

Hmmm... Maybe your right. I have heard many times though that the odds are against him coming back. His play these last two weeks hasn't been bad though.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Despite what people are saying Luck is going to enter the draft mainly because Harbaugh will be gone. Harbuagh is going to be too hot of a commodity to stay at Stanford. Michigan and the NFL both want him. He will let Luck know his intentions. I can't see Harbaugh screwing him over by not telling Luck his plans prior to Jan 15, have Luck stay in school, and then leave for another job.

 

[Chopper0080]

Despite what people are saying Luck is going to enter the draft mainly because Harbaugh will be gone. Harbuagh is going to be too hot of a commodity to stay at Stanford. Michigan and the NFL both want him. He will let Luck know his intentions. I can't see Harbaugh screwing him over by not telling Luck his plans prior to Jan 15, have Luck stay in school, and then leave for another job.

This echos my thoughts as well. Luck will stay if Harbaugh does, but Harbaugh won't.

 

[Goldfield]

^^^ yup.

 

[juza76]

He committed plagarism, failed out of school, bought a stolen computer and panicked in getting rid of it, and is involved in a pay for play scandal. Those are just his off field red flags.

Talented player but I can see why people would be afraid to pay big bucks for a guy that has all sorts of problems and was only good for one year

oh my god has stolen a computer..what terrible for a young kid..good or bad guy?who cares really.. . then maybe he learned from his past mistakes..this team need a leader and a talented player ..he has everything to be great..i dont see teams winning by good guys

 

[john h]

So you're in the same boat as our clueless HC. A young QB cannot elude a complete, all-out in-his-face blitz for almost an entire quarter, so of course it must be HIS fault :eyeroll:

A cluless QB cannot stop an all out blitz. A Kurt Warner can stop an all out blitz in its tracks by recognizing it is coming, changing the play at the line of scrimmage, and with a lightning fast release or some play like a draw. All out blitzes happen every weekend and the good teams and QBs manage to deal with them else every team would do one every play. Our QBs are without a doubt he worst in the NFL in many a year.

 

[Gandhi]

The Cardinals, right or wrong, won't be taking him.

I’m assuming you mean Cam Newton, AJ?

If so, I’m not as sure as you.

Coach Whiz often talks about someone’s intangibles. Not once have I heard anything negative about Newton’s intangibles. In fact he is always talked about as a great leader, as someone who leads the way for his teammates, as someone who impose confidence at his teammates and as someone who anyone can rely on. Yes, there is the stuff in his past, but naive as I might be I believe it is indeed in his past.

Many have also spoken about his type of quarterback, have he lacks the fundamental and how he will never be a success in the NFL because of that.
To me, he doesn’t seem to lack much mechanics and technique as a quarterback. I understand why many people see him as a scrambling quarterback, but I don’t think it’s fair to label him that exclusively. He obviously hasn’t taking a snap from under center at either Florida or Auburn, but besides that I think his footwork, how he holds the ball, how he steps into the throw and how he delivers the throw is above average. On top of that he has his raw power and his speed to make something happen on his own. I don’t think that’s a bad thing.

I would even argue that his type of quarterback has brought success to a team before, and that it might become some sort of trend in the future. Ben Roethlisberger and Donovan McNabb have been doing that style of play for years. Josh Freeman is a major thing in Tampa Bay. Though not great examples, Michael Vick could be mentioned for his abilities to make something out of nothing, and not too long ago we saw how Joe Webb lead the Vikings to an upset in Philadelphia, because the Eagles couldn’t stop his type of play. To be fair, the last two names brought up isn’t very good arguments. Vick is a lot smaller than Newton and Webb did it for one game. I mentioned them because they both made defenses pay due to their untraditional style.

The game that convinced me that Newton could be something really special was when Alabama took on Auburn in the Iron Bowl. It was in a very hostile environment in Tuscaloosa, against arguably one of the best defenses in college football. Auburn was down by 24, and the Alabama defense did a great job of containing Newton, making him beat them through the air. So he did. To me, that is one of the greatest accomplishments he could ever do in college, and I do believe it is somewhat comparable to what Michael Vick did in the Meadowlands against the Giants.

As a last note on Newton, I don’t think anyone should underestimate the economic aspect of drafting him. His name alone would create a lot of buzz for whatever team gets him, and I’m pretty sure the Bidwill’s wouldn’t be completely against that.

Look, I’m not saying Cam Newton will be the next star, and personally I would still sell the farm to get Luck if given the chance. But I am saying that he has the intangibles as well as the tangibles to make it happen.

I think Kerouac said it best in another thread. Sometimes you have to take a chance on greatness. This might be such a time.