Looks Like the Pick Being Talked About is #8

[hsandhu]

From ford's latest mock:

The skinny: It sounds like the Bobcats are seriously considering trading this pick. The Suns and Sixers, among others, have talked about moving up to No. 8.

The Bobcats like Brewer and USC's Nick Young. Brewer's the better defender, while Young's the better offensive player.

If we can do it without a player, that would be a steal.


http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft...ry?columnist=ford_chad&page=MockDraft-070625a

 

[hsandhu]

If we could get brewer at #8 w/o giving up players, i think you can put barbosa in a kg trade as well. Or maybe package #8 with marion (but if that was the case, agents would be upset at suns for working out players).

BTW love this quote

The talk in Phoenix about trading up in the draft has gotten so hot that the Suns have gotten Noah, Jeff Green and Corey Brewer to agree to a workout on Tuesday. They'll try to add Brandan Wright as a fourth. That shows you how much players want to play in Phoenix -- they'll drop everything just for the chance. It could be the most competitive workout of the draft.

Giving major props to Mike and Nash for creating this environment.

 

[Gaddabout]

Memphis, Phoenix and others have been talking to the Hawks about potential trades. But with Atlanta's ownership situation still in flux, making a deal with the Hawks is very complicated.

The only thing complicated about Atlanta is they won't take on more salary than they give. He's over-stating the problem here.

 

[Mainstreet]

I heard on ESPN a few minutes ago the Suns were willing to part with #24, #29 and Atlanta's pick next year to move up in the draft. This is a steep price if true.

 

[hsandhu]

Are you kidding? To get into the top ten without giving up a player would be great.

And they can either use #8 on a player, or as a piece for kg.

 

[HooverDam]

I heard on ESPN a few minutes ago the Suns were willing to part with #24, #29 and Atlanta's pick next year to move up in the draft. This is a steep price if true.

No its not. Think about it, the Dbacks could keep Nash-Marion-Amare together and add the 8 pick, thats awesome! Who knows where Atlantas next year pick will be, and 24 and 29 may or may not be rotation-quality guys.

Also, I've been calling the Suns making a move w/ Charlotte for a while, so Im super cool.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Are you kidding? To get into the top ten without giving up a player would be great.

And they can either use #8 on a player, or as a piece for kg.

i gotta tell you, if they can swing a deal like this and get rid of Banks with a future first, I'd jump at it in a heartbeat. Bring back EVERYONE (sans Banks) plus a young stud just to add a little friskiness and win a title that will make EVERYONE happy as they get to watch ALL of their favorites (Nash, Amare AND Shawn) hoist up that title.

******* the freaking lottery.

 

[hsandhu]

No its not. Think about it, the Dbacks could keep Nash-Marion-Amare together and add the 8 pick, thats awesome! Who knows where Atlantas next year pick will be, and 24 and 29 may or may not be rotation-quality guys.

I hear Nash has a great swing

Anyway, if they can somehow get marion to boston, minny would get #5/#8 (in addition to their own #7 and foye/mccants) plus 20 million in expiring contracts, they rebuild their franchise in one trade.

They absolutely could not ask for more. If not, we keep #8 and take a very good player.

 

[Mainstreet]

i gotta tell you, if they can swing a deal like this and get rid of Banks with a future first, I'd jump at it in a heartbeat. Bring back EVERYONE (sans Banks) plus a young stud just to add a little friskiness and win a title that will make EVERYONE happy as they get to watch ALL of their favorites (Nash, Amare AND Shawn) hoist up that title.

******* the freaking lottery.

If the Suns draft a big where's the backup PG for Nash. Obviously I value draft picks more than others. I did not hear anything about Banks or anyone else being included.

 

[HooverDam]

I hear Nash has a great swing

Anyway, if they can somehow get marion to boston, minny would get #5/#8 (in addition to their own #7 and foye/mccants) plus 20 million in expiring contracts, they rebuild their franchise in one trade.

They absolutely could not ask for more. If not, we keep #8 and take a very good player.

Haha woops! Thats what I get for watching the Dbacks game and posting on a Suns board at the same time

 

[Cheesebeef]

If the Suns draft a big where's the backup PG for Nash. Obviously I value draft picks more than others. I did not hear anything about Banks or anyone else being included.

hasn't there been constant chatter about the Suns trying to pawn off Banks with one of their first rounders this year? That's what I was referring to.

 

[Mainstreet]

hasn't there been constant chatter about the Suns trying to pawn off Banks with one of their first rounders this year? That's what I was referring to.

Well, acording to ESPN, the Suns would trade #24, #29 and Atlanta's first pick next year to move up. Forgive me if I do not jump for joy.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Well, acording to ESPN, the Suns would trade #24, #29 and Atlanta's first pick next year to move up. Forgive me if I do not jump for joy.

oh... really? You wouldn't be stoked with that deal? I think it's an absolute steal to get up to #8 considering the talent in this draft at the top and drop-off afterward, especially considering that the law of averages tips in the favor of the ATL getting SOMEWHAT better at some point, which makes next year's pick pretty damn suspect considering how "raw" that draft is supposed to be. I don't think there's a shot in hell to get that kindof deal done though. If we could move up to 10 last year (in an AWFUL draft) by offering 3 1sts, how are we gonna pull that off something even better in a really top-heavy talented draft?

 

[azirish]

hasn't there been constant chatter about the Suns trying to pawn off Banks with one of their first rounders this year? That's what I was referring to.

Every published report says the Suns would have to give up two picks to unload Banks for cap space. My guess is that they will hang onto him in hopes his value improves.

If this is the deal, it precludes some of the other trade options like the Boston three way. It is less obvious how this effects other trade proposals.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Every published report says the Suns would have to give up two picks to unload Banks for cap space.

I've never seen ONE report that says it will take TWO FIRST ROUND PICKS to unload Banks. That's just ridiculous and if it's a First and a 2nd, then who cares? Even if it's a first and second, I've never seen that "published" or rumored report, Has anyone else seen that it will take TWO picks to get rid of Banks?

 

[mjb21aztd]

if we get the 8th their is no doubt in my mind the suns will select noah thats ok I guess but I would much rather have Wright or Hortford for sure. Or maybe take a shot at Yi Jin

 

[Mainstreet]

If we could move up to 10 last year (in an AWFUL draft) by offering 3 1sts, how are we gonna pull that off something even better in a really top-heavy talented draft?

This year is much different in that this draft contains quality depth probably into the second round. IMO history will prove some very talented players will be taken throughout the first round. So the Suns could be offering to two potential quality NBA players and another if Atlanta hits the wall again next year. Also don't forget in a weak draft last year Marcus Williams, Sergio Rodriquez and Rondo were available late.

 

[Cheesebeef]

This year is much different in that this draft contains quality depth probably into the second round. IMO history will prove some very talented players will be taken throughout the first round. So the Suns could be offering to two potential quality NBA players and another if Atlanta hits the wall again next year. Also don't forget in a weak draft last year Marcus Williams, Sergio Rodriquez and Rondo were available late.

I just don't buy it - even if there's good value later in the draft, there's a SIGNIFICANT drop-off after the first 11 picks in this draft - one that won't be made up for at the very end of the first round IMO. I don't see any way for a deal like that to get done, although I'd be extremely happy to be proven wrong.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

hmm, i'm thinking this could be not so good. i think it may be a 7 man draft:

oden
durant
horford
wright
conley
noah
brewer

i would be a little ill if our "future" was jeff green. i am not a big fan of yi (though of the remaining players i suppose he's the one i'd take). and i wouldn't be all excited about thornton's upside (though that could be b/c i spent all of the season hoping we'd get him with the cleveland pick until he blew up).

 

[Cheesebeef]

hmm, i'm thinking this could be not so good. i think it may be a 7 man draft:

oden
durant
horford
wright
conley
noah
brewer

i would be a little ill if our "future" was jeff green. i am not a big fan of yi (though of the remaining players i suppose he's the one i'd take). and i wouldn't be all excited about thornton's upside (though that could be b/c i spent all of the season hoping we'd get him with the cleveland pick until he blew up).

shockingly, I'm right there with Ouchie. Although, the hope would be that we don't make the move until we see Yi is taken so that one of the above drops to 8.

 

[azirish]

I would not be surprised if the Bobcats planned to use on the picks to bank a Euro like Splitter or Fernandez. These are both lottery level talents with serious contract issues. This way they would still be able to get someone who can contribute but for substantially less money than a #8. The #8 pays $1.8 million while the #24 pays $813,000.

 

[cly2tw]

LB + Banks and maybe our #24 for Wallace (taking his player option for next year) and #8 from Bobcats.

Or Diaw for #8 straight up.

The problem of lottery teams and a new franchise in particular is that they can't draw prominent FA, not to mention at fair price. Both LB and Diaw have very reasonable contracts signed long term. So, Bobcats wouldn't do any better with their pick at #8 than either anyway.

As to Wallace, to retain him Bobcats might have to overpay a lot, so if Suns promise a reasonable extension say to 9-10 mil a year to Wallace, he might want to join us via this way.

PS: naturally, Marion is to go to Boston for the well known deal then.

Sorry for copying my post here as it seems to be the better fit than the other thread.

 

[Mainstreet]

I just don't buy it - even if there's good value later in the draft, there's a SIGNIFICANT drop-off after the first 11 picks in this draft - one that won't be made up for at the very end of the first round IMO. I don't see any way for a deal like that to get done, although I'd be extremely happy to be proven wrong.

Well if the Suns go for such a trade I hope they include some filler or at least ask for a second round pick in return. I obviously do not like the Suns mortgaging their future when a star type player may not be availabe after #3. In reality picks #24 and #29 may be as good as the 8th pick. I wouldn't bank against it thinking of Josh Howard. Anyway if the Suns select a player like Noah, how are they going to address the backup PG position?

 

[cly2tw]

Well if the Suns go for such a trade I hope they include some filler or at least ask for a second round pick in return. I obviously do not like the Suns mortgaging their future when a star type player may not be availabe after #3. In reality picks #24 and #29 may be as good as the 8th pick. I wouldn't bank against it thinking of Josh Howard. Anyway if the Suns select a player like Noah, how are they going to address the backup PG position?

West as in Marion for #5, West and Ratliff?

 

[Cheesebeef]

Well if the Suns go for such a trade I hope they include some filler or at least ask for a second round pick in return. I obviously do not like the Suns mortgaging their future when a star type player may not be availabe after #3. In reality picks #24 and #29 may be as good as the 8th pick. I wouldn't bank against it thinking of Josh Howard. Anyway if the Suns select a player like Noah, how are they going to address the backup PG position?

Grant Hill.