Lost: Season 3 (Spoilers)

[jenna2891]

Yep, but to be honest, the first character of his I thought of was:

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Percy from The Green Mile

ahhhh, yes... good call. i'll always think of him as tooms, though. *shudders*

 

[FischerKing]

ok - this is the first time for me to use this spoiler thingy...

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since we watch [hi-def with tivo] this with a group of people each week and then sit around and discuss afterwards we noticed the following:

we slowed down several scenes to watch in super-slow motion (a few frames at a time).

1. there was someone sitting in the chair as mike pointed out, and the picture he showed is accurate, although it looks much better paused in hi-def.
2. there is a second picture that is longer in the sequence of Jacob - it only shows his eye though - very creepy, and very fitting.
3. Roger "Work Man" (Ben's dad) was the guy in the VW that sawyer drinks with when Hurley finds the van on the island.
4. When Locke is shot and falls in the grave, you know that everyone in the grave did not die from the gassing. the reason i say that is because A. they were all in different stages of decomposition, and B. one of the skulls that they panned across had a bullet hole between the temple and the forehead.
5. Weird continuity thing - when they (Ben and Locke) were in the cabin and things started going sideways on them, the lantern Ben carried in and set on the table fell off the table and caught the inside on fire. When Ben comes out of the cabin, he brings the lantern with him and puts it back on the hook by the door. I don't know about that - seems that either the lantern would be broken or extremely hot.
6. Interesting how none of the "others" stopped Locke from beating the crap our of "Patch". Not even after Ben asked them to.
7. Is the volcano on the island going to explode at some point in one of the upcoming seasons? Is that how the show ends?
8. What was that stuff that Locke picked up - gun powder? (it was in a ring around the cabin.)

that's all i got for now.

shawn

 

[Louis]

All I know is that Ben's childhood holds a "chamber of secrets".

 

[Mike Olbinski]

All I know is that Ben's childhood holds a "chamber of secrets".

Totally agree with you I was thinking Harry Potter the entire time

 

[Pariah]

When Batmanuel finds Ben as a child in the jungle he seems taken aback that he's seen his dead mother. He seems to think he's "special," ...reminiscent of how they're treating Locke.

I think those that can see/communicate with the dead are important to the Natives because of their ability to communicate with Jacob (who I suspect is/was the patriarch of the Black rock ship). They thought Ben was their guy, but they're coming to the conclusion that he's not--Locke is.

BTW...The title, "The Man Behind the Curtain," and Locke's line to Ben, "I think you're the Wizard of Oz" is interesting; it wraps back to the name Ben called himself when he infiltrated the Tailies--"Henry Gale," the name of Dorothy's uncle in the Wizard of Oz.

Also, was Ben's dad played by Uncle Rico?

 

[Mike Olbinski]

Here is what I was thinking the whole episode...that Locke would turn out to be Jacob somehow.

Only because of the way things were going...he beat up the eye patch guy, but no one stopped him. It was like they knew he was in charge somehow. And then the girl brings him a gun, like he was their leader.

Suddenly Ben wasn't in charge anymore.

And the shot of Jacob...could be Locke from another time, I dunno. The face could fit.

Anyways, creeeeepy stuff. That scene in the house was brilliant.

But FischerKing your thing about seeing Jacob's eyes...are you SURE they weren't Locke's eyes widening when he realized he saw someone sitting in the chair?

 

[Pariah]

Also, in re-reading the timeline from that was pulled from another site (it's a few pages back on this thread), it struck me that there's a lot of talk about "good" and "bad" people.

At the time, the name "Goodwin" doesn't seem so odd...but I gotta tell ya, "Goodspeed" is a strange name.

 

[FischerKing]

Here is what I was thinking the whole episode...that Locke would turn out to be Jacob somehow.

Only because of the way things were going...he beat up the eye patch guy, but no one stopped him. It was like they knew he was in charge somehow. And then the girl brings him a gun, like he was their leader.

Suddenly Ben wasn't in charge anymore.

And the shot of Jacob...could be Locke from another time, I dunno. The face could fit.

Anyways, creeeeepy stuff. That scene in the house was brilliant.

But FischerKing your thing about seeing Jacob's eyes...are you SURE they weren't Locke's eyes widening when he realized he saw someone sitting in the chair?

no - they were definitely not Locke's eyes, and they were not Ben's eyes either. i'm about 99.9% sure of it.

shawn

 

[Mike Olbinski]

no - they were definitely not Locke's eyes, and they were not Ben's eyes either. i'm about 99.9% sure of it.

shawn

I just watched it again, I don't see how you know that. It just looked like it was Locke's eyes seeing Jacob...

 

[Russ Smith]

I was having a hard time staying awake at the end but the part that confuses me is Richard. Young Ben asks him "are you a hostile" and he doesn't say no he says do you even know what that means? Given where he was and how he looked, are we to assume he WAS a hostile? And if so, he's now an other so does that mean todays's others used to be hostiles?

 

[Mike Olbinski]

My wife figured out who Ben's dad was:

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[Mike Olbinski]

I was having a hard time staying awake at the end but the part that confuses me is Richard. Young Ben asks him "are you a hostile" and he doesn't say no he says do you even know what that means? Given where he was and how he looked, are we to assume he WAS a hostile? And if so, he's now an other so does that mean todays's others used to be hostiles?

I think it's pretty clear now that the Hostiles ARE The Others.

Ben joined them after they killed all of the Dharma Initiative people.

 

[Russ Smith]

I think it's pretty clear now that the Hostiles ARE The Others.

Ben joined them after they killed all of the Dharma Initiative people.

Ok thanks, I was trying to stay awake and dozing in and out and I thought that's what they were telling us but I couldn't be sure.

So is Locke the only person in that ditch that Ben shot?

 

[Dback Jon]

Ok thanks, I was trying to stay awake and dozing in and out and I thought that's what they were telling us but I couldn't be sure.

So is Locke the only person in that ditch that Ben shot?

Not necesarily - when they panned, there was at least one other with a gunshot wound.

 

[Russ Smith]

Not necesarily - when they panned, there was at least one other with a gunshot wound.

Yeah that's my question has ben shot others before and put them there. Kind of his own mass grave although obviously it would appear most of the people in there were Dharma folks who were gassed.

Also, was it coincidence or did Ben know that the day he picked to kill his dad with gas was the day the Hostiles would gas the Dharma people?

 

[D-Dogg]

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I can't even get into TheFuselage.com, my favorite lost site/forum, since the producers run it.

It is slammed...

 

[Dback Jon]

Yeah that's my question has ben shot others before and put them there. Kind of his own mass grave although obviously it would appear most of the people in there were Dharma folks who were gassed.

Also, was it coincidence or did Ben know that the day he picked to kill his dad with gas was the day the Hostiles would gas the Dharma people?

I am sure he was in on it.

 

[PDXChris]

I think the hostiles thought Ben was a messiah because he could see his dead mother so they took him to Jacob and he pretended to talk to him and they thought he could really see him. They have since figured out he is a fraud and thought Locke was the new Messiah because he could walk. That is why what's his name gave him Sawyers file so he could confront Ben. Or Ben really talks to Jacob and Ben is keeping him trapped in there.

What do you guys think?

 

[Pariah]

Yeah that's my question has ben shot others before and put them there. Kind of his own mass grave although obviously it would appear most of the people in there were Dharma folks who were gassed.

I don't read too much into that. They would have had to go around to all of the stations (save Des' hatch...he was keeping the whole island running) and get the Dahrma folk from there, too.

Also, was it coincidence or did Ben know that the day he picked to kill his dad with gas was the day the Hostiles would gas the Dharma people?

Totally planned and orchestrated.

 

[Pariah]

Also, it's an interesting recurring theme: Science vs. Faith

You had that arise in the conflict between Jack and Locke early on, and now they're hitting you over the head with it in the conflict between the Hostiles vs Dahrma.

Not only that, but Jacob looks a little like Christ in that moment we see him.

 

[D-Dogg]

I think the hostiles thought Ben was a messiah because he could see his dead mother so they took him to Jacob and he pretended to talk to him and they thought he could really see him. They have since figured out he is a fraud and thought Locke was the new Messiah because he could walk. That is why what's his name gave him Sawyers file so he could confront Ben. Or Ben really talks to Jacob and Ben is keeping him trapped in there. What do you guys think?

Ben doesn't talk to Jacob...all that is an act because Ben can't hear Jacob (I don't think). Or maybe Jacob does speak to Ben but speaks to John on a different frequency that Ben can't hear and that's why he got mad.

My first impression is that Ben can't hear Jacob, but maybe he can SEE him, and Locke can't see him but can hear him. Together, maybe they are the messiah the Hostiles are looking for.

 

[Pariah]

Together, maybe they are the messiah the Hostiles are looking for.

That's interesting.

What if it's more like the trinity with Jacob as the Holy Spirit? And further, Jacob needs help...so maybe the Others are keeping him captive because they think he's part of their "salvation." ...thus, the voodoo fence that they stepped over on their way to his cabin.

 

[D-Dogg]

That's interesting.

What if it's more like the trinity with Jacob as the Holy Spirit? And further, Jacob needs help...so maybe the Others are keeping him captive because they think he's part of their "salvation." ...thus, the voodoo fence that they stepped over on their way to his cabin.

Nice...I like that. I was looking for the trinity angle and trying to put someone in there like Jack (because he saw his dead dad) but I couldn't make it fit. Jacob as the Holy Spirit is intriguing.

 

[Joe Mama]

ahhhh, yes... good call. i'll always think of him as tooms, though. *shudders*

Those are definitely two of the best X-Files episodes.

Any ideas on the black powdery substance surrounding Jacob's shack?

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I don't buy into the idea that Ben shot Locke because he heard Jacobs speak, and Ben never had. Instead I think that Ben does not want to "share" the ability to see/hear Jacob with Locke. Perhaps he realizes that many of the others are looking for somebody else to lead them.

 

[Pariah]

Any ideas on the black powdery substance surrounding Jacob's shack?

I think it's some sort of "voodoo" fence keeping Jake in.