Lost - The Final Season (Spoilers)

[Chaplin]

And how about this? If it is everyone's purgatory as many are saying, why is Christian Shepherd the one escorting everyone to "heaven"? Why isn't it Hurley's dad, or Claire's mother, or Aaron, or Walt, or Sun's father, or...? Outside of Claire and Sawyer, nobody on the island knows who he is or even what he looks like.

Granted, most theories are going to be pretty flimsy no matter what and this one is no exception.

PS: And as for the credits, I just thought it was a cool thing they did to show the sets from the pilot. Didn't really think it could actually be tied to the ending.

 

[Mike Olbinski]

And how about this? If it is everyone's purgatory as many are saying, why is Christian Shepherd the one escorting everyone to "heaven"? Why isn't it Hurley's dad, or Claire's mother, or Aaron, or Walt, or Sun's father, or...? Outside of Claire and Sawyer, nobody on the island knows who he is or even what he looks like.

Granted, most theories are going to be pretty flimsy no matter what and this one is no exception.

PS: And as for the credits, I just thought it was a cool thing they did to show the sets from the pilot. Didn't really think it could actually be tied to the ending.

Agree about the credits, that's all I thought it was.

Christian...no idea why, I think he was just a representative, but why him? No idea...probably just a way to bring him back for the finale other than a dead body

 

[Evil Ash]

And how about this? If it is everyone's purgatory as many are saying, why is Christian Shepherd the one escorting everyone to "heaven"? Why isn't it Hurley's dad, or Claire's mother, or Aaron, or Walt, or Sun's father, or...? Outside of Claire and Sawyer, nobody on the island knows who he is or even what he looks like.

Maybe it was somebody different for everyone and we just saw it from Jack's point of view. Could be that his body was on the plane and therefore connected to them.

He was just a vessel so his appearance may not have been important to some.

 

[Russ Smith]

Just as an aside, the Target ads were pure GENIUS

I actually hated the ads while watching, but I will admit I just got home from buying a blender(both our magic bullet and blender broke this morning while my GF was making her morning smoothie) and I bought it at... Target.

So I guess the ad worked

 

[Russ Smith]

PS: And as for the credits, I just thought it was a cool thing they did to show the sets from the pilot. Didn't really think it could actually be tied to the ending.

Oh I did too. I'm just saying apparently many didn't. I googled Lost finale and one of the first articles that comes up is a Florida newspaper where they take that last scene and say for 6 years they told us they weren't all dead, and then last night they said they all died on impact. So apparently some people watching took that last scene that way.

 

[Covert Rain]

I thought the finale was brilliant. I has asked myself before I watched it what kind of ending I would have liked to see. I thought about and just couldn't come up with a scenario. No matter which idea I came up I just couldn't imagine a perfect ending. Though I wish they had everything this season happen over the next 2 seasons vs. ending it....I though the Lost Series Finale was brilliant. They answered just enough and left just enough for us to endlessly debate as see on this thread. That is what lost did for us over the last 6 years and this was a one of kind show IMO. It will be missed.

Some of my thoughts. The island was real and all the events including Jack's death and those that escaped on the plain were real. All event on the island took place in real time. However, the sideways flashes were a limbo. A place that everyone goes to until it's time to move on or complete unfinished business. Mathew Fox gave some insight on Jimmy Kimmel. He said is some religions, people don't move on until all the people they are connected to and care about the most are all ready to come together.

Ben needed to make things right. Locke needed to move on with his life after the accident. Sawyer needed a purpose in life (being a cop). Danielle's mother and Daniel seemed to be forging a relationship that they never had. To me there are things that I can pick out that don't seem to mesh with it being just Jack's limbo. I think it was everyone's. Also, it appears that people had a choice in that limbo as seen by Ben. The fact that Charlotte and Daniel were not there also seems to lend it to the fact that they were not ready to move on because they didn't have a chance in life. I really think it was a place were everyone goes and when they are ready...they move on.

Christian also said that there is no "NOW" here. Meaning that time is relative in limbo. What might be now for Jack wasn't now for everyone else. I think inference here was that those that died in the past were already there. The rest of them didn't show up there until their own deaths. So what might have been 50 years for Kate before she had seen Jack again (dying of old age or something), it was only an instant to Jack. As stated above Kate could have been 80 years old when eventually she died.

P.S. The last scene had no meaning. It was just a scene to show the set that started it all on the island.

 

[jefftheshark]

I am severely bummed that they never explained the most important character in the whole darn show.

Sincerely,

JTS
(agent for the DHARMA Shark)

 

[thirty-two]

Its purgatory, not heaven. They had demons in life before they were ever on the island. Jacob said that were candidates because that they were alone and were screwed up. So it makes sense in a way that they would have to face their demons before passing on.

Right, I didn't say it was heaven. I'm just wondering why some characters seem to have a "nice" wait (Hurley, Jack, Sawyer, Locke) , yet others don't.

I wonder if Kate really was innocent in her purgatory. And poor Sayid's purgatory.

I would love a Hurley/Ben spinoff

 

[Pariah]

And how about this? If it is everyone's purgatory as many are saying, why is Christian Shepherd the one escorting everyone to "heaven"?

I think it's because while it's everyone's purgatory, it's from Jack's point of view. Maybe other people had other people there for them...it wouldn't be the first time in the show the dead only revealed themselves to select characters.

...Plus, Christian was the only one who was dead on that plane. It kind of makes sense that he's be the one to be the "spirit guide" in a storytelling sense, right?

JMHO

 

[Covert Rain]

I wonder if Kate really was innocent in her purgatory. And poor Sayid's purgatory.

I would love a Hurley/Ben spinoff

I think it's because everybody experiences what they need in Limbo to lead them to their awakening. Some had it rough and others didn't. If what defines us is a sum of all our experiences good or bad then I think it makes sense that in Limbo they experience exactly what they needed before "waking up".

I think Jack needed a little more "push" then most because Jack never felt he had a purpose and when he finally found it he dies. Jack was living his life in his limbo like he never had a chance to in life. Christian was there to help him understand at the end. The others didn't need what Jack needed to accept moving on.

 

[Evil Ash]

Right, I didn't say it was heaven. I'm just wondering why some characters seem to have a "nice" wait (Hurley, Jack, Sawyer, Locke) , yet others don't.

I wonder if Kate really was innocent in her purgatory. And poor Sayid's purgatory.

I would love a Hurley/Ben spinoff

Its all about perspective.

- Hurley was rich but alone.
- Jack was divorced, had a strained relationship with his "son", and was obsessed with fixing everything.
- Sawyer was still obsessed with revenge even though he was on the other side of the law and was alone.
- Locke was back in his wheelchair, had his dad in a vegetative state and was hit by a car.
- Desmond was a workaholic who never had his relationship with Penny.
- Charlie was a drug addict again
- Claire was facing an uncertain future with Aaron
- Kate was still on the run from the law
- Sayid couldn't let his past go so much that it hindered him from being with Nadia
- Jin and Sun were on the run from her father and she ends up getting shot because of it

None of them really had that nice of a stay if you think about it

 

[Gaddabout]

After thinking about this episode overnight, I have to say that I absolutely love the ending. I love throughout this episode that they really setup the ending. I love the references from the last few episodes that make sense, like Ana Lucia not being ready. I love Ben's redemption and how Hurley became the protector. I DO love the fact that all the questions of the island were left unanswered so it could be about the characters.

Here are a couple of small things that bugged me. Why was Richard and Frank not at the concert, but Faraday and Charlotte were there? Why did Richard, Miles and Frank not have a place in the church? It would have been nice to see a bit of closure to them since they were all troubled souls. You can say there were not core characters, but Libbie was in like 7 episodes and she was there. Shannon was there too, but what about Nadia? She was Sayid's true love, so it felt kind of forced to include there. That also goes back to Richard and his wife and how nice that reunion would have been.

First, I think people thinking of that purgatory as Jack's purgatory are possibly missing a point. That purgatory was everyone in that church's purgatory and they were meant to move on together.

One, Ben, chose not to go with them. Richard and Frank were simply not chosen to be in the group, which is fine with me. Frank THOUGHT he was supposed to be on the original Oceanic 815 but fate clearly chose him to not be. The island clearly didn't have a hold on him. He was merely there to get the few remainders off the island.

I imagine Richard's purgatory being with his wife only.

I think Michael is stuck on the island.

I get Faraday's and Charlotte's inclusion because their love story was strong.

I get Sayid being paired with Shannon instead of Nadia. We wanted Nadia to be Sayid's "true love" because that was who he pined for from beginning, but three times he had a chance with her and fate nixed it. It obviously wasn't meant to be.

I've always considered Libbie a core character because she more or less rescued Hurley, who became the hero of the show.

Don't know why Miles wasn't there, but neither can I remember a moment when he was self-sacrificial or anything but using other people to get what he needs. I can't think of a Miles redemption. He wasn't always a jackass, but that doesn't pass the mustard on this show.

 

[Covert Rain]

Its all about perspective.

- Hurley was rich but alone.
- Jack was divorced, had a strained relationship with his "son", and was obsessed with fixing everything.
- Sawyer was still obsessed with revenge even though he was on the other side of the law and was alone.
- Locke was back in his wheelchair, had his dad in a vegetative state and was hit by a car.
- Desmond was a workaholic who never had his relationship with Penny.
- Charlie was a drug addict again
- Claire was facing an uncertain future with Aaron
- Kate was still on the run from the law
- Sayid couldn't let his past go so much that it hindered him from being with Nadia
- Jin and Sun were on the run from her father and she ends up getting shot because of it

None of them really had that nice of a stay if you think about it

Great post. Each one of them still had this sense that "something is missing" or "something is not right". When I said that they all experienced what they needed to experience it ties into that.

Each one of them have wondered "what if" I had mad different choices in life or things had gone a little different for me. Remember what Jacob had said. They were going about their lives but they in their own ways were Lost. This limbo showed them that even when things go a little different.....how Lost they were in life had not changed. I think each one of them needed that to realize what they really had with these people on the island.

 

[CaptTurbo]

I love that the writers got everyone in a tizzy about a story with no plot, no story arc and no conclussion. I bet they are laughing all the way to the bank lol.

They wrote the script using a magic 8 ball.

 

[Russ Smith]

Another question, Locke told Jack he didn't have a son and people seem to be thinking that's true. Juliet talked to Jack about their son, Claire had several conversations with that son, Kate saw the son at the concert etc.

So if he's not real how come so many other people saw and interacted with him, was that just all part of Jack having to "let go" before he could move on?

 

[Chaplin]

I love that the writers got everyone in a tizzy about a story with no plot, no story arc and no conclussion. I bet they are laughing all the way to the bank lol.

They wrote the script using a magic 8 ball.

Thanks for the insight.

 

[green machine]

Another question, Locke told Jack he didn't have a son and people seem to be thinking that's true. Juliet talked to Jack about their son, Claire had several conversations with that son, Kate saw the son at the concert etc.

So if he's not real how come so many other people saw and interacted with him, was that just all part of Jack having to "let go" before he could move on?

In Jack's purgatory, where they have a chance to make things right, he was able to do the one thing he wanted more than anything, and that was to be a better dad than his father was.

He started off with a rocky relationship with his son but was able to turn it around. Thus, he was ready to move on.

 

[Covert Rain]

In Jack's purgatory, where they have a chance to make things right, he was able to do the one thing he wanted more than anything, and that was to be a better dad than his father was.

He started off with a rocky relationship with his son but was able to turn it around. Thus, he was ready to move on.

Exactly, many of the people you had seen in the limbo were not real. They are want Jack needed to help him move on. The situations were not real. It was all about helping them see what they needed to see to move on. The only real people in limbo were ones you got to see in the Church and they in turn had similar experiences to Jack's in their own way.

 

[Pariah]

So if he's not real how come so many other people saw and interacted with him, was that just all part of Jack having to "let go" before he could move on?

In purgatory he was a construct of Jack's psyche--as such he was "real" there, but not in the physical world as we know it. He only existed in one of the levels of the afterlife.

 

[CaptTurbo]

Thanks for the insight.

Hey Chap watched every episode of the Wire. I think I recall when we discussed Rome that you said the Wire was right up there with it. It was great! And I was lucky I could watch them back to back and not wait a week in between lol.

Now I am onto OZ season 3.,

 

[Covert Rain]

Hey Chap watched every episode of the Wire. I think I recall when we discussed Rome that you said the Wire was right up there with it. It was great! And I was lucky I could watch them back to back and not wait a week in between lol.

Now I am onto OZ season 3.,

And how does this validate your insight?

 

[Russ Smith]

In purgatory he was a construct of Jack's psyche--as such he was "real" there, but not in the physical world as we know it. He only existed in one of the levels of the afterlife.

I understand why he existed for Jack, I'm asking why he existed for other people who weren't just figments of Jack's imagination. They were real people from Jack's actual life(and time on the island). I assume the answer is they were all helping Jack move on and to do that they had to wait for him to reach a point where he was ready to do so, and that meant deal with the reality he was living in.

I would point out it would be a lot easier to make his father come back and fix the relationship than to invent a son to fix that part that needed fixing?

On the other thing, I suggest people do some googling, it's surprising how many people saw that last scene as they were all dead all along they lied to us. I don't agree with them but I'm amazed how many people took that to mean that. I wonder if those people were inclined to think all along they aren't telling us the truth because honestly until my GF brought it up last night it never even occurred to me someone could take that scene that way.
In her case she was having trouble staying awake the last hour(long day) so I attributed it to fatigue.

 

[Covert Rain]

I assume the answer is they were all helping Jack move on and to do that they had to wait for him to reach a point where he was ready to do so, and that meant deal with the reality he was living in.

I think they all had their own realities of sorts and each one of their experiences was related to what they needed to "let go" as well. I am sure the assumption was that there was some cosmic rule that didn't allow them to contradict each other. In some cases the need was similar so like in Jack's and Juliette's case it allowed them a shared experience in limbo.

I would point out it would be a lot easier to make his father come back and fix the relationship than to invent a son to fix that part that needed fixing?

I would say the opposite would be easier.....that is just me. No history there and fresh start with your own son.

On the other thing, I suggest people do some googling, it's surprising how many people saw that last scene as they were all dead all along they lied to us. I don't agree with them but I'm amazed how many people took that to mean that. I wonder if those people were inclined to think all along they aren't telling us the truth because honestly until my GF brought it up last night it never even occurred to me someone could take that scene that way.
In her case she was having trouble staying awake the last hour(long day) so I attributed it to fatigue.

I didn't really ever think that but my wife was wondering what it meant to at first. Then she agreed it was just a shot of the wreckage.

 

[CaptTurbo]

And how does this validate your insight?

Dont think I said it does.

My "insight" is obvious. Read almost any news article, blog etc etc. Not many people were happy and many consider it a massive waste of their time.

 

[Covert Rain]

Dont think I said it does.

My "insight" is obvious. Read almost any news article, blog etc etc. Not many people were happy and many consider it a massive waste of their time.

Maybe based on what your reading. However, keep in mind the loudest are usually the unhappy. Most of the Polls have said just the opposite. Here is just a sampling.

http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/wat...5_lost_want_know_man_in_blacks_real_name.html

http://www.newsarama.com/tv/Lost-Poll-100524.html

http://www.ivillage.com/lost-finale-what-you-thought/1-d-188882#

http://www.nydailynews.com/nydn/pol...=Yes;No&20100201_the_grand_finale=1&vote=vote