Lots of interest in Cards third pick

[SissyBoyFloyd]

We have all now entered the Cardinal Zone, where rumors are destined to become reality.

I have a confession to make. I started a completely unsubstantiated rumor in this thread, post #15. I simply wanted to see where it would go or what it would turn into. Little did I know that it was given almost immediate legitimacy via a post by Harry, and then even more legitimacy via posted articles on different sport sites and networks.

I suppose my timing was just too dang precise, or with my post I opened some sort of worm hole where we were sucked into an alternate universe or dimension.

If I ever try this trick again, I suppose I better begin with a much more outlandish rumor, for in this one the only person I surprised was myself.

 

[DVontel]

Watch Anderson Jr vs Darnell Wright.

Anderson is still paying Wright his lunch money.

Wright is a really good RT prospect who quickly realized that Anderson couldn't win with a bull rush, so he dominated Anderson.

What does this have to do with that scouting report of Tyree Wilson

 

[BritCard]

Watch Anderson Jr vs Darnell Wright.

Anderson is still paying Wright his lunch money.

Wright is a really good RT prospect who quickly realized that Anderson couldn't win with a bull rush, so he dominated Anderson.

I've seen it. Wright had a good game. But there isn't an Edge that hasn't had games where they don't affect the stat sheet.

Wilson has a tonne of red flags for me. On one side you have length and power as pros. On the other you have a guy that couldn't break through at A&M with poor rushers ahead of him. Has awful technique (get off, hands and moves) and racked up his stats against weak opposition and even then wasn't prolific.

Put Anderson on that RT team and he has 14 sacks and 20 TFLs against the same opposition.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I've seen it. Wright had a good game. But there isn't an Edge that hasn't had games where they don't affect the stat sheet.

He wasn't just not affecting the stat sheet, he was providing the blueprint on how to make him become ineffective.

When you are running a traditional even front, you need big guys on the edge who can win with both speed and power.

Wright basically showed that if you anchor and mirror, Anderson's lack of size can be used against him.

Wilson has a tonne of red flags for me. On one side you have length and power as pros. On the other you have a guy that couldn't break through at A&M with poor rushers ahead of him.

Did you watch Tom Brady at Michigan?

My point is that prospects develop at different rates. Up until Brady's senior season, he wasn't very good.

Wilson had two decent college seasons.

Has awful technique (get off, hands and moves) and racked up his stats against weak opposition and even then wasn't prolific.

Most college edges have awful technique. Anderson is more refined, but he isn't exactly a pass rush wizard either.

Put Anderson on that RT team and he has 14 sacks and 20 TFLs against the same opposition.

Maybe. Maybe not. I've watched a few evaluators point out that a lot of Anderson's sacks were on stunts, which are schemed up sacks.

Again I really like Anderson, but I'm just replying to the concept that Wilson isn't a top prospect. Numerous evaluators are putting Wilson at the top of their board because he has some serious power, and at the end of the day, pass rushing is a bully sport and Wilson is among the biggest bullies in this class

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Come on man. Has Tyree Wilson played against anyone who's made it or going to make it to the NFL?

He never went up against Charles Cross who declared and didn't play in the 2021 Liberty Bowl. All his production is overpowering future tractor salesmen.

I'd put oskey's level of competition above Wilson's and he still beat them with an array of moves. Wilson has nothing but power.

Wait, the dude in the video that you posted that didn’t show any moves? He used a swim technique once, and that was only far into a coverage sack passrush.

 

[THESMEL]

No brainer to take this haul. It would be a better haul than the bears got for the number 1 pick to move down the same number of spots. I get the Will Anderson love I really do but this would be absurd to pass on for a rebuilding team that needs a heavy infusion of young talent.

Hopefully this type of trade package comes to fruition.

I don’t move put of a blue chip spot for that. 11- 41 and Tennessee will be drafting late in years to come. We may never be in position To select the best player in a draft again. Only other time in my lifetime, cards selected Kyler, jury still out on that one, great player, number 1 Over others Available? Meh

I think KK got the most out of what KM had available in talent, I don’t think this staff or another team(system) would have been as Murray friendly. I think we might have got him in the 2nd round

I still believe in our 1st round linebackers, because they are key positions at best value within the salary cap, at comparable draft positions we will get from thus trade!

but we need a beast that can feast long term , and Will is his name -I would support a move that keeps him available. But really nothing less than Indy swap would secure that. Don’t be greedy, risky, be sure!

 

[Jetstream Green]

Watch, the Cardinals are so eager to trade the third pick for more because they actually like, wait for it... Jalen Carter

 

[BritCard]

He wasn't just not affecting the stat sheet, he was providing the blueprint on how to make him become ineffective.

When you are running a traditional even front, you need big guys on the edge who can win with both speed and power.

Wright basically showed that if you anchor and mirror, Anderson's lack of size can be used against him.

Did you watch Tom Brady at Michigan?

My point is that prospects develop at different rates. Up until Brady's senior season, he wasn't very good.

Wilson had two decent college seasons.

Most college edges have awful technique. Anderson is more refined, but he isn't exactly a pass rush wizard either.

Maybe. Maybe not. I've watched a few evaluators point out that a lot of Anderson's sacks were on stunts, which are schemed up sacks.

Again I really like Anderson, but I'm just replying to the concept that Wilson isn't a top prospect. Numerous evaluators are putting Wilson at the top of their board because he has some serious power, and at the end of the day, pass rushing is a bully sport and Wilson is among the biggest bullies in this class

He just has bust written all over him. You just don't take projects like this top 10. When was the last time any player so unrefined was taken top 10 just because they had the physical tools and succeeded?

I will say this. It would be very on brand for the Cards to take him thinking they can coach him into a great player.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

It's simple. Will Anderson is the better player. Take the better player.

 

[Krangodnzr]

He just has bust written all over him. You just don't take projects like this top 10. When was the last time any player so unrefined was taken top 10 just because they had the physical tools and succeeded?

LOL he's not that big of a project.

You continually ignore that he was one of the leaders in pressure rates and pass rush win rate in all of CFB last year. Even Anderson mostly wins with a bull rush. Your biggest criticism of Wilson is basically the same criticism you can levy at most college pass rushers, they lack pass rush moves.

I will say this. It would be very on brand for the Cards to take him thinking they can coach him into a great player.

Open up most mocks from analysts who have actual scouting experience and not only is Wilson a top ten pick, but quite a few you see him going in the top five.

The Cardinals way would be to take Lukas Van Ness or Kancey at 3, not a guy who is actually slated to go around where they draft.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Talked my BIL,
Anderson is ready made. Will be good from get go.
Said Wilson has higher ceiling.

 

[Ronin]

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[Crimson Warrior]

We're going to make out like bandits!

Maybe three or four years from now people will look back and be like:

"The 2023 draft turned the tide for the Cardinals. It's why they won the championship this year."

 

[kerouac9]

People gonna be sad when we trade down 4 spots and get a third back.

 

[Krangodnzr]

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According to Brett Kollman from his sources, there are some what he described "franchise altering" trade packages being offered.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Talked my BIL,
Anderson is ready made. Will be good from get go.
Said Wilson has higher ceiling.

Yep I agree with that take.

 

[DVontel]

I don’t think Wilson has a higher ceiling than Anderson.

How high can your ceiling really be if you’re slow as hell off the line with no bend?

 

[GatorAZ]

People gonna be sad when we trade down 4 spots and get a third back.

We’re getting a haul the question is will we blow the picks??

 

[Krangodnzr]

We’re getting a haul the question is will we blow the picks??

I would only trade the pick for two day ones and more than two day two picks. Five picks would be my starting point. Six picks gets it done. Atlanta or the Raiders would be my preferred spots because I think they will continue to suck and the picks will be better.

 

[kerouac9]

The about-face people will make to forgive Monti for only getting someone’s compensatory third and a swap of fifth round picks to move from 3 to 11 will be stunning

 

[BritCard]

The about-face people will make to forgive Monti for only getting someone’s compensatory third and a swap of fifth round picks to move from 3 to 11 will be stunning

Why would you say something that is very obviously not going to happen?

 

[MadCardDisease]

The about-face people will make to forgive Monti for only getting someone’s compensatory third and a swap of fifth round picks to move from 3 to 11 will be stunning

If that happens he should be fired before day 2 of the draft starts. Rod Graves would even be laughing at that trade. Not going to happen.

 

[juza76]

Many expects the Cardinals get a haul for the third pick, i think they will be disappointed considering the recent trade compensations

 

[kerouac9]

Why would you say something that is very obviously not going to happen?

I think it’s far more likely we trade down 5+ spots and get one day 2 pick and one day 3 pick in return than we move down fewer than four spots and pick up and additional two(!) first round picks plus two day 2 picks.

People aren’t being very specific about what they are considering “a haul” but I don’t think the cards would be leaking how much interest they’re getting to trade down if they were actually getting attractive offers.

 

[BritCard]

I think it’s far more likely we trade down 5+ spots and get one day 2 pick and one day 3 pick in return than we move down fewer than four spots and pick up and additional two(!) first round picks plus two day 2 picks.

People aren’t being very specific about what they are considering “a haul” but I don’t think the cards would be leaking how much interest they’re getting to trade down if they were actually getting attractive offers.

That's a far cry from a round 3 comp and round 5 pick swap.

Draft picks have no value. They are like NFT's, they are worth what someone will pay. One of the worst elements of pre draft talk are fans and analysts using draft value tables like a menu. Like the Colts trade. If the Cards only get a 3rd round pick because that's what the value chart says then Monti is trash. If the Colts really like a guy, and someone else is going to come and take that guy if you don't trade up, then it's worth whatever it takes to get that done. Monti should be getting at least this years 2nd and a 2024 day 2 pick for that.

The pick is worth what someone will pay. What someone will pay depends on who is there and how much they want them.

It's far more likely to be multiple firsts than your scenario.