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Either way, this gets Maggette off of a Clippers team that he can't stand, guarantees him another long term deal (after watching Livingston wreck his knee on a gimmie lay-up would you want to risk giving up a long-term deal because you might make a few more million if you wait) and gives him the opportunity to play for a championship if that's what he wants.

This is key, magette has been asking for a trade for 2 years, he hates dunleavy and thinks the man has damaged his career by not playing him enough and by not giving him the role he wants. Corey Magettes career has been all about underachievement, and dunleavy wouldnt play him enough or set up enough plays for him. Magette would probably gladly take a 2-3M/yr paycut to get out of town there. As it is, he may just get lucky as the warriors will be under pressure to get somebody after losing out on baron Davis and elton brand and they have a ton of cap room.
 

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This is key, magette has been asking for a trade for 2 years, he hates dunleavy and thinks the man has damaged his career by not playing him enough and by not giving him the role he wants. Corey Magettes career has been all about underachievement, and dunleavy wouldnt play him enough or set up enough plays for him. Magette would probably gladly take a 2-3M/yr paycut to get out of town there. As it is, he may just get lucky as the warriors will be under pressure to get somebody after losing out on baron Davis and elton brand and they have a ton of cap room.

Exactly. And if he doesn't receive a big offer from a team like GS he can just sign with a team for the MLE and play for a championship. Oh the humanity, such poor foresight.
 

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I'll just wait and see what kind of deal he gets, I believe you'll be eating crow when all is said and done.

Um, I still don't think you fully understand it.

Maggette originally had a contract signed till the end of next season that would have paid 8million dollars next year. If he did absolutely nothing he would have received all of that money (assuming he isn't bought out sometime before the season is over). It was guaranteed to him.

Instead, he opted out of that contract in hopes of a longer term deal (and also to somewhat control his future destination, as George suggested). YJGS is arguing that he would have not opted out because he's losing out on guaranteed money for more hypothetical money.
 

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I never said in my post that he was not a good basketball player, i just dont think he is going to swing anything. My hope is that he does sign with the spurs. That would give them, besides Manu, ZERO outside shooting. dont let the 22 pts per game thing fool you. A lot of players would have scored that many per game with the clips being as busted up as they were. Dont look at his numbers from last year, look at his career numbers. 15 PPG, 45% FG%, 30 % from three, and plays between 50 and 65 games a year. a good player, but not the big time player the article imop, tries to make him.

And as him helping the suns.......How? We do not need another guy that likes to play close to the basket. the only way you could do it would be a sign and trade with Boris Diaw, and i dont think Sterling is that dumb........is he?
 

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SURPRISE!!! No really, Surprise.
And as him helping the suns.......How? We do not need another guy that likes to play close to the basket. the only way you could do it would be a sign and trade with Boris Diaw, and i dont think Sterling is that dumb........is he?

Yeah I see your point. I just get so damn frustrated, as I am sure we all do. I don't care what anyone says. I dont think any other fan has endured what Suns fans have. I just wanna win a championship so everyone with shut their mouths.
 
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This is key, magette has been asking for a trade for 2 years, he hates dunleavy and thinks the man has damaged his career by not playing him enough and by not giving him the role he wants. Corey Magettes career has been all about underachievement, and dunleavy wouldnt play him enough or set up enough plays for him. Magette would probably gladly take a 2-3M/yr paycut to get out of town there. As it is, he may just get lucky as the warriors will be under pressure to get somebody after losing out on baron Davis and elton brand and they have a ton of cap room.

Actually, it was Dunleavy that wanted him shipped out, not Maggette. We had Maggette traded to SA for Udrih last year but Donald Sterling vetoed the trade. Sterling is Maggette's biggest fan and he wouldn't allow it.
 

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A lot of players would have scored that many per game with the clips being as busted up as they were.

Maggette has been a big-time scorer throughout his career.

15 PPG, 45% FG%, 30 % from three,

Considering how frequently he gets to the line, Maggette is one of the most efficient scoring wings in the league. His PPS and similar numbers are superior to McGrady's, for instance.

and plays between 50 and 65 games a year.

There's the rub. His health has always been an issue, and that makes him a risky big-ticket investment.

He has other weaknesses, too, of course, among them a low basketball IQ, a propensity for turnovers, and not much interest in defense. But the scoring part he's got down, in a big way.
 

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Maggette has been a big-time scorer throughout his career.



Considering how frequently he gets to the line, Maggette is one of the most efficient scoring wings in the league. His PPS and similar numbers are superior to McGrady's, for instance.



There's the rub. His health has always been an issue, and that makes him a risky big-ticket investment.

He has other weaknesses, too, of course, among them a low basketball IQ, a propensity for turnovers, and not much interest in defense. But the scoring part he's got down, in a big way.

BINGO!

That is why most Clipper fans are actually happy he is gone. I like the guy a lot but you described exactly why he was expendable.
 

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Um, I still don't think you fully understand it.

Maggette originally had a contract signed till the end of next season that would have paid 8million dollars next year. If he did absolutely nothing he would have received all of that money (assuming he isn't bought out sometime before the season is over). It was guaranteed to him.

Instead, he opted out of that contract in hopes of a longer term deal (and also to somewhat control his future destination, as George suggested). YJGS is arguing that he would have not opted out because he's losing out on guaranteed money for more hypothetical money.

Thank you, of course I get it. :|
I'll repeat it again... We don't know that he won't get that $7 million (not $8 million, he was due $7) this year AND more years guaranteed. He stands a good chance being that there are 2 teams with plenty of cap room and the likelyhood that Brand stays in L.A.. Being that people get hurt a lot in the NBA, he might well have suffered a major injury next year had he not opted out and then what? Even if he signs for 5 years at $5.5 million, he's still guaranteed $20.5 million more than had he not opted out.

The only thing guaranteed in the NBA is a contract, you have the chance to add more years, you take it. Only a fool worries about $1.5 (or less) when there's an option to get so much more.
 
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Chris McCosky: Pistons

Quiet on Pistons' front

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With Wednesday being the first day free agents can start signing with teams, things still remain quiet with the Pistons.
Don't hold your breath waiting for Corey Maggette to sign here. Joe Dumars has made the proper inquiries, but it's highly unlikely Maggette will wind up in a Pistons uniform.
Maggette wants more than the mid-level exception, first of all, worth between $5.5 million and $5.8 million. If he "settles" for the mid-level, it sounds like his first choice would be Boston or San Antonio. His only real hope of getting more than that will be if Golden State fails in its bid to steal Elton Brand from the Clippers -- which seems likely.

To add to the confusion, the Sixers are now in the hunt to get Brand.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3477424

Sixers getting in position to lure Brand from West Coast

By Marc Stein
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Updated: July 8, 2008, 12:51 PM E

It suddenly appears that the biggest threat to the Los Angeles Clippers re-signing franchise forward Elton Brand can be found far east of Oakland.

NBA front-office sources told ESPN.com on Monday night that the Philadelphia 76ers are again "actively involved" in the Brand hunt -- and now are a very serious threat to tempt him away from L.A. -- after initially fearing they couldn't compete financially with the Clippers and Golden State Warriors.

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In the face of a longstanding leaguewide consensus that Brand would return to Hollywood to form a new partnership with Clipper-to-be Baron Davis, sources say that the Sixers are growing increasingly confident in their ability to create additional salary-cap space by trading away swingman Rodney Carney and center Calvin Booth, setting them up to make a sufficiently rich offer Brand would struggle to refuse.

Dealing away Carney and Booth -- with Minnesota and Memphis quickly emerging as possible destinations -- would shed nearly $3 million from the Sixers' payroll next season as long as the trade doesn't require new GM Ed Stefanski to take any salary back.

Multiple front-office sources said late Monday that the Sixers are closing in on a deal with the Timberwolves in which the Wolves would absorb the contracts of both Carney and Booth by using the $2.8 million remaining from a trade exception created by Minnesota's trade of Mark Blount to Miami last October and a separate minimum player exception. It was not immediately known what financial and/or draft considerations might be included in the trade from either side.

The Sixers are already expecting to have at least $11 million in salary-cap space to spend when the league announces next season's cap figure to all 30 teams Tuesday night. Depending on how closely the cap ceiling for the 2008-09 season comes to the widely projected estimate of $58-59 million -- and if the Sixers can finalize a trade to part with Carney and Booth -- it's conceivable that Philadelphia could possess the financial flexibility to start a five-year offer to Brand at a first-year salary in the $15 million range.

With much of the league's other significant free-agent business seemingly on hold while the Brand saga plays out, sources maintain that the Sixers also remain highly interested in Atlanta Hawks restricted free agent Josh Smith. Yet it appears that Philadelphia will give itself every opportunity to emerge as the unlikely winner of the Brand sweepstakes before deciding whether to sign Smith to an offer sheet that the Hawks would have seven days to match.

If Philadelphia can indeed manufacture a first-year salary of at least $15 million, that could exceed what can be offered by the Clippers, who must balance their obvious No. 1 priority -- retaining Brand -- with the cap space they'll need to formally sign Davis to the five-year, $65 million deal which the former Golden State point guard verbally agreed to last week.

It's possible that the Warriors, depending on where the cap is set, could still outbid both L.A. and Philadelphia for Brand thanks to Davis' defection. If next season's salary cap is announced at $59 million or thereabouts, as expected, Golden State should have the wherewithal to offer Brand a five-year deal worth just over $95 million.

Sources close to the process told ESPN.com on Monday that the Warriors continue to have dialogue with the Brand camp and have not abandoned hope of luring the 29-year-old to Northern California.

Yet separate sources suggested Monday that Brand -- if he's ultimately drawn away from his Face of the Franchise status with the Clippers -- would be more inclined to jump to Philadelphia than to Golden State, given the Sixers' residence in a conference with far fewer contenders than the West and the opportunity to join an emerging Philly nucleus (Andre Miller, Andre Iguodala, Thaddeus Young and the considerable wingspan of center Samuel Dalembert) that won many admirers as last season progressed.

It's believed that the Clippers can still assemble a five-year offer to Brand worth $80-85 million and give Davis his estimated $65 million over five years by simply renouncing their rights to free agents Corey Maggette and Shaun Livingston, renouncing several other free agents with modest salaries (Quinton Ross, Nick Fazekas, Marcus Williams, Paul Davis, Dan Dickau, Boniface N'Dong, James Singleton and Smush Parker) and perhaps waiving forward Josh Powell.

The Clippers also have the ability, as ESPN.com reported Monday, to put Brand on a very short list with Staples Center co-tenant Kobe Bryant as the only players in the league with an active no-trade clause in their contracts. A player must have at least eight seasons of service time, including four with his current team, to be eligible for a no-trade clause in the NBA. The player must also be entering into a new contract as opposed to merely extending a previous contract.

Provided that Clippers owner Donald Sterling responds to Philly's late charge by doing all he can financially to keep the two-time All-Star, it will be recorded as one of the bigger free-agent surprises in recent memory should Brand elect to leave behind his well-chronicled love of Hollywood and one-of-a-kind pride in being a Clipper to head back to the Eastern Conference for the first time since the Chicago Bulls traded him to the Clippers on draft night in 2001.

That's largely because Brand and agent David Falk, in announcing Brand's unexpected decision to opt out of the final season of his previous contract to become an unrestricted free agent, last week explained the forfeiture of next season's $16.4 million by saying they hoped to give L.A. more payroll flexibility to strengthen the team around Brand.

Brand told ESPN.com on June 30 that his "intention is to stay" with the Clippers, while Falk spoke optimistically of Brand signing a deal to "finish his career with the Clippers" if the team could make another significant personnel acquisition or two. On the first day of free agency, L.A. reached a verbal agreement with Davis in what easily ranks as the biggest free-agent coup in Clippers history. ESPN.com reported two days later that Davis was the player Brand specifically asked Clippers management to chase in June.

But Clippers officials, already said to be privately shaken by Golden State's substantial offer to Brand, will have much more serious cause for concern if the Sixers can shed a salary or two this week to increase their available cap space.

Sources said that Carney going to Memphis would be a possibility because the Grizzlies have ample cap room of their own to absorb Carney as well as a natural interest in a player likely to have some gate appeal after experiencing collegiate success at Memphis.

But a deal with Minnesota would obviously be preferable for the Sixers, enabling them to shed two contracts and then immediately throw a megadeal at Brand after pointing to what they could achieve in the summer of 2008 since dealing Allen Iverson to Denver in December 2006.
 
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Thank you, of course I get it. :|
I'll repeat it again... We don't know that he won't get that $7 million (not $8 million, he was due $7) this year AND more years guaranteed. He stands a good chance being that there are 2 teams with plenty of cap room and the likelyhood that Brand stays in L.A.. Being that people get hurt a lot in the NBA, he might well have suffered a major injury next year had he not opted out and then what? Even if he signs for 5 years at $5.5 million, he's still guaranteed $20.5 million more than had he not opted out.

The only thing guaranteed in the NBA is a contract, you have the chance to add more years, you take it. Only a fool worries about $1.5 (or less) when there's an option to get so much more.

Ah. My bad. I completely misinterpreted your post.

In that case I agree with you, particularly because he's proven to be quite injury prone.
 
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I have never been as excited about having Maggette as many on this board. However, I think he will end up with GS, who needs to do something to avoid a fan base meltdown after losing Baron.
 

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