Making the Case for Todd Gurley

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All the talk today is about how the running back situation in the NFL is devalued. It’s a terrible idea to draft running backs in the first round because:
1. They have such short careers
2. There’s more value that you can get in the first round at other positions
That’s the conventional wisdom around the NFL. But let’s look at the Arizona Cardinals as they approach the 2015 NFL draft and consider whether that conventional wisdom fits for them.

Fact: The Arizona Cardinals under Steve Keim have struggled to get value from their first- and second-round selections.


The first two drafts under Steve Keim have yielded guard Jonathan Cooper and safety Deone Bucannon in the first round and linebacker Kevin Minter and tight end Troy Niklas in the second round. These players have combined to start 18 of a possible 100 total regular season and playoff games. None of the four play positions considered “impact” positions in today’s NFL—namely quarterback, pass rusher, or cornerback.

It’s far too early to write off any of these players as busts at this point. Bucannon in particular has shown the potential to be an effective contributor in his limited exposure (65% of all defensive snaps according to NFL Media’s Snap Counts) his rookie season.

Suffice it to say that the Arizona Cardinals may not be currently thinking that an instant impact player at a premier position is a top priority when considering options in the first round.

Fact: The Arizona Cardinals do not place a high priority on retaining players developed in the system.

Much has been made of the roster churn and number of transactions that Steve Keim has made since rising to general manager. What hasn’t been as noted is the number of players that could be core veteran players developed by the Cards as draft picks that have been allowed to leave.

Of the 30 players acquired by the Cardinals via the draft from 2009 to 2012, only 6 remain with the franchise. With the Cards awaiting a decision on exercising a 5th-year option on 2012 first-round wide receiver Michael Floyd, consider that only 3 players drafted in that period received second contracts with the team—and one of them (safety Rashard Johnson) was allowed to test free agency before returning. Productive contributors like NT Dan Williams, TE Jim Dray, and OLB Sam Acho have departed for market deals, leaving holes in the roster.

It’s worth considering whether the Cards have a draft-develop-retain philosophy regarding their personnel, as teams like the Pittsburgh Steelers and Green Bay Packers have shown to substantial success. It’s possible that Keim and his team believe that there isn’t much value in a mid-salary veteran that can’t be found for more experience and more talent for shorter term in the free agent market—players like scratch-and-dent veterans like Lorenzo Alexander, Corey Peters and Sean Weatherspoon.

What if the conventional wisdom doesn’t apply to the Arizona Cardinals? What if Keim and his staff don’t care if their 1st round pick contributes at the level of a 3rd rounder, as long as they contribute? What if they don’t care whether their first-round pick has a 10-year career with the team, because only a select handful of truly franchise players can expect to see a second contract with the team, much less a third?

I haven’t said anything about Todd Gurley as a prospect. I honestly don’t know anything about him. My faith in the front office and scouting department to make the right decision isn’t full, but its enough that I’m only going to doubt they made the right move after the fact. What I will say is that it’s possible that the conventional wisdom regarding the running back position may not apply to the Cards.

The Cards likely feel that they have a window of opportunity right now that isn’t going to last to a second contract for their 2015 first-round pick. The Cards likely feel like they can add more value with a top prospect at a position of less value than they could with the fourth-best premier position player. The Cards likely feel that it’s time to get something out of their top pick.
 

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Gurley would be a fantastic pick for us....the only downside being he may not play this season...or if he does,...not until late in the season....

Late in the season could have it's pluses however...fresh legs right before the playoffs are nice.
 

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IMO Dray and Acho were nothing special and no use retaining them especially above a minimum deal.
 

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IMO Dray and Acho were nothing special and no use retaining them especially above a minimum deal.

Never under estimate a good role player.

I thought Acho could have had value on special teams and being able to be used at 3 out of the 4 linebacker spots.

Jim Dray is from Bergen County right near where I grew up. He was better than Rob Housler.
 

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I disagree 100%

30% drop off in RB's and WR's that have ACL's

He will not participate in any OTA's nor all of training camp.

He is just starting to back peddle.

Look at Badger after his ACL injury...he was far from the guy that was a huge playmaker. Now he's about 30% less than he was....and it's noticeable.

I do not want him...nor green eggs and ham.

but we can agree to disagree

He was a BEAST in college when healthy...top 3 pick IMO...just not taking a RB in the first round with an ACL that was torn in November.
 

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I disagree 100%

30% drop off in RB's and WR's that have ACL's

He will not participate in any OTA's nor all of training camp.

He is just starting to back peddle.

Look at Badger after his ACL injury...he was far from the guy that was a huge playmaker. Now he's about 30% less than he was....and it's noticeable.

I do not want him...nor green eggs and ham.

but we can agree to disagree

He was a BEAST in college when healthy...top 3 pick IMO...just not taking a RB in the first round with an ACL that was torn in November.


suppose you don't buy lottery tickets either then?
 

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he is already ahead of schedule ,running fast with treadmill
 
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Can't speak for ARZ, but I certainly don't. Do you?



I do....and I would gamble on Gurley...the dude is a freak.

or we could get.....an irresponsible pot head linebacker(best case scenario sadly)...a lazy nose tackle maybe??...a headcase WR, or perhaps a clinically diagnosed bi-polar cornerback??

if we aint gonna trade out of the first round this year,...we may as well at least try and make an impact on the team............Todd Gurley could be that impact......somebody has been touting that 30% reduced stat.......well guess what?? even running at 70% Todd Gurley runs between the tackles with more authority than any RB on our roster.



Yeah...I would buy that lottery ticket
 
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IMO Dray and Acho were nothing special and no use retaining them especially above a minimum deal.

Never under estimate a good role player.

I thought Acho could have had value on special teams and being able to be used at 3 out of the 4 linebacker spots.

Jim Dray is from Bergen County right near where I grew up. He was better than Rob Housler.

I think you retain them because they're your draft picks and you'd prefer the devil you know over taking a risk on the open market. Sam Acho got a minimum salary deal with an $80K guarantee. Jim Dray got a three-year deal with $5.25M, half of which was guaranteed. Neither of these were back-breaking deals from a money perspective, particularly Achos.

You retain them because they are substantially lower risk than a player you bring in from the outside, and because they're younger than many veterans you wouldn't have to pay more for.

Just as an example with Dray: He got $1.35M guaranteed and a $900K signing bonus last year. John Carlson got $1.4M from the Cards last year. Dray arguably contributed more, and would've contributed more for the Cards.

Lorenzo Alexander has a $2M cap number this year. Is he going to contribute three times as much as Acho would've?
 

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If Gurley is on the board at 24 I can't see Keim passing him. I think he learned that lesson when the snail drafted The Clown over AD & Gurley might be the best player in this draft imo.
 

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Never under estimate a good role player.
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true, however I dont think we will miss either player. We currently have more productive OLBs than Acho, young guys can replace him on ST and dray was slow as molasses. He was OK at best and its always good to try to find something better.

Anyway, I have no problem with the release of those two.
 

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Gurley is my pick if he's available.

For right or wrong, I look for the guys that look like "can't miss" talents, and even with the ACL tear, Gurley is one of the most can't miss guys that could be available when we pick.

Gurley has the chance to be one of the best RBs in football for the next 5 years, and I can't say that for many of the other prospects in the draft.
 

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I didn't even read the post. I just know that I 100% agree with thread title. If Gurley is on the board at 24 and they pass, it would be WORSE than when they passed on AP.
 
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Gurley, Erving, and Odighizuwa are all guys who could come in and make an impact right away.
 

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In terms of the idea behind the thread...I don't believe you can make that assertion yet, because Arians was new to the team, and Keim new as the GM. While I know Keim had a say in the previous drafts, we have no way to know if they were HIS guys. We know they aren't Arians's guys, and roster turnover is normal with a new head coach.

I do believe that you can remain a competitive team by just drafting safe first round players. It gives you financial flexibility, and allows you to make a fair judgement on whether a player is worth his market value to your team. Superstar players are so few and far between that trying to hit on high risk picks is almost silly. It is even moreso if you factor in inevitable injuries and/or suspensions. Also, spending more money on low cost veteran players is probably the best option in terms of getting production from your bench when players do go down. Veteran depth is more predictable as well.

In the end however, if you don't have a QB, it really doesn't matter. Arians has been able to make Palmer work, and I imagine you will see Keim get very agressive when it comes time to find another one.
 

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As a Chargers fan, I don't think Gurley will make it past us at #17.
 

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