Mark Clayton just reported Kurt Warner wants...

[Gee!]

$10-12 is what will transpire.

Let the Matt Leinart begin.. Thats ridiculous for Kurt.. And I like Kurt too.. But no way..

 

[moklerman]

Warner's contract and Matt's have nothing to do with the other.

Some have mentioned paying two QB's "X" amount of dollars as a concern.

8-9 Million is perfect, IMO. But no more.

Based on what? That wouldn't even put him in the top 10 paid QB's of 2008. The salary cap is taking a huge jump in 2009 and uncapped for 2010 right now. Asking Warner to take what you'd offer would be insulting.

Warner's played in 34 straight games(okay 33/34 realistically) which is over two years of healthy, productive play that has resulted in team success. Why pinch pennies with him? Don't give him a blank check but top 5 money shouldn't be an outrageous proposal.

 

[joeshmo]

Whatever contract he signs will be partially make-up money. Warner's been at the $4-6M range the last few years and it isn't a shock that he would want to get starter's money now that he's earned the job.

Kurt made way more then that. Try over 8 mill in total with incentives and bonuses.

Guys like Hasslebeck, Garrard, Bulger, Delhomme, etc. all made a LOT more than Warner last year and didn't even approach the individual or team success. The past two years, Warner hasn't even earned top 15 money. Few have thrown as many regular season TD's in that timespan and none have thrown more overall.

1. Warner did earn top 15 money. #10 to be exact.
2. Of those QB's only Gerrard made more then him last year.

It's ridiculous to think that Warner should be the one to pay for the team's mistake with Leinart's contract.

Matts contract has nothing to do with it until 2010.

 

[Gee!]

Kurt made way more then that. Try over 8 mill in total with incentives and bonuses.



1. Warner did earn top 15 money. #10 to be exact.
2. Of those QB's only Gerrard made more then him last year.



Matts contract has nothing to do with it until 2010.

This is why I dont get into specifics about money on this board.. Joe is looming..

moklerman..

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sorry

 

[moklerman]

Let the Matt Leinart begin.. Thats ridiculous for Kurt.. And I like Kurt too.. But no way..

If you think that's literally "ridiculous" then you don't have an accurate sense of what QB's are being paid in the NFL. He was top 10 in 2007 and was paid like a backup which was understandable since that's where he started the season. He was top 3 in 2008 and was paid like a backup again. Regardless of what he may or may not do in '09, his contract will have money in it that makes up for him being underpaid the past two years.

 

[joeshmo]

That wouldn't even put him in the top 10 paid QB's of 2008.

You are right not top 10 but it would put him in the top 12 of QB Salaries.

 

[joeshmo]

This is why I dont get into specifics about money on this board.. Joe is looming..

Can I get my own "you just got BIM'ed" term. This isnt something original but I was thinking something along the lines of "you just got SHMO'ed".

 

[dogpoo32]

If you think that's literally "ridiculous" then you don't have an accurate sense of what QB's are being paid in the NFL. He was top 10 in 2007 and was paid like a backup which was understandable since that's where he started the season. He was top 3 in 2008 and was paid like a backup again. Regardless of what he may or may not do in '09, his contract will have money in it that makes up for him being underpaid the past two years.

I think due to his age, every year is a "prove it" year for Warner. Paying a 38 year old 10mil to prove his worth is scary. By no means should the Cards pay him big for past performance and set themselves up for disaster.

 

[dogpoo32]

Can I get my own "you just got BIM'ed" term. This isnt something original but I was thinking something along the lines of "you just got SHMO'ed".

Sounds like something you would need to towel off after...

 

[moklerman]

Kurt made way more then that. Try over 8 mill in total with incentives and bonuses.

'05-$4M, '06-$7M, '07-$4M, '08-$8M. I didn't say last year alone but you're right about his '08 salary being #10. I was looking at his cap hit and not his salary for '08. $12M for two years of pro bowl level play is still a bargain and I'm sure pretty low in rank for that span.

2. Of those QB's only Gerrard made more then him last year.

In total salary, yes. But cap hit is part of the equation because it factors in how much they have actually been paid. Their respective salaries weren't higher but the bonus money they were paid was obviously still part of what they were getting. Which was more than Warner in '08.

sorry

He didn't even read my post correctly.

 

[moklerman]

Paying a 38 year old 10mil to prove his worth is scary.

I have just as much, or little faith in Warner staying healthy as I do Leinart at this point. I agree that age is a factor but durability is as well. If Leinart were the guy there would be no less fear in him staying healthy and there would be an even greater fear about whether he can actually produce.

If health is a concern for both, I'd rather take the guy who's been putting up the numbers for over two years.

 

[Gee!]

Can I get my own "you just got BIM'ed" term. This isnt something original but I was thinking something along the lines of "you just got SHMO'ed".

maybe just "SHMO'ed"..

I like it actually.. It feels dirty but so good at the same time lol

 

[joeshmo]

'05-$4M, '06-$7M, '07-$4M, '08-$8M. I didn't say last year alone but you're right about his '08 salary being #10. I was looking at his cap hit and not his salary for '08. $12M for two years of pro bowl level play is still a bargain and I'm sure pretty low in rank for that span.
In total salary, yes. But cap hit is part of the equation because it factors in how much they have actually been paid. Their respective salaries weren't higher but the bonus money they were paid was obviously still part of what they were getting. Which was more than Warner in '08.
He didn't even read my post correctly.

Cap hit is not what they have actually been paid. You are getting the terms completely backwards. It is total salary that is what they have actually been paid. Cap hit is just a convaluted way of financing. Its why teams total salary can be way higher then the cap maximum or way lower then the cap maximum. Total salary is exactly what a player is getting paid in any given year. Cap money can have dead money or yet to be earned money in it. Money by the way that actually doesnt go in the players pocket but gets added back into the teams cap space the following year. Cap money does not tell you what a player actually made or is getting paid.

And if you are going to try and compare bonuses then that will be a mistake as well considering those QB's signed 6 year deals where as Warner only signed a three year deal. The difference will be huge and complete misleading.

 

[Gee!]

Cap hit is not what they have actually been paid. You are getting the terms completely backwards. It is total salary that is what they have actually been paid. Cap hit is just a convaluted way of financing. Its why teams total salary can be way higher then the cap maximum or way lower then the cap maximum. Total salary is exactly what a player is getting paid in any given year. Cap money can have dead money or yet to be earned money in it. Money by the way that actually doesnt go in the players pocket but gets added back into the teams cap space the following year. Cap money does not tell you what a player actually made or is getting paid.

SHMO'ed

 

[imaCafan]

Cardinals | Agent says Warner will return
Fri, 20 Feb 2009 14:55:28 -0800

Updating a previous report, Brad Biggs, of the Chicago Sun-Times, reports Mark Bartelstein, agent for Arizona Cardinals impending free-agent QB Kurt Warner, said Warner has decided to play next season.

 

[Gee!]

Cardinals | Agent says Warner will return
Fri, 20 Feb 2009 14:55:28 -0800

Updating a previous report, Brad Biggs, of the Chicago Sun-Times, reports Mark Bartelstein, agent for Arizona Cardinals impending free-agent QB Kurt Warner, said Warner has decided to play next season.

Did you have this post on delay? I think everyone knew this 2 weeks ago..

 

[joeshmo]

If we want to go straight base line contracts then lets use a player you brought up. 6 years 60 mill. So Warner should be look at a 2 year 20 mill deal.

Which brings up another point, you cant even go into the negotiations for this new contract to say as you put it, to try and make up for not getting paid like a starter the last contract. Lets say we believe that premise, what stupid agent in his right mind is going to use that as a negotiating tactic considering it was Warner and the Agent temselves that negotiated and signed that last contract in the first place. What agent is going to go to the team and say "well since we made the mistake of not asking for starter money in the last contract we now want you to pay extra for our mistake." Not only would that agent be laughed out of the room the agent would feel dumb for even saying it. You can only go in and say you want to be paid like a starter at this point in time.

I regect the orginal premise this debate started with in the first place, we dont even have to debate the money or how you want to rank Kurt money wise in the first place.

 

[imaCafan]

Yeah, but now it's unofficially official........

 

[az jam]

IMO $8 million with incentives per year for two or see you Kurt. Don't break the bank and the future on a 38 year old qb.

 

[IAWarnerFan]

I'm not going to read the other replys, but if this is true that is very disappointing! I thought money wasn't all that important to him??? Let him test the FA market so he can see that he won't be able to get that from any other team and leave that offer on the table.

 

[TJ]

Cards have the leverage. We have the system, atmosphere and receivers he needs to be successful. $11 mil max per year. It's called negotiating for a reason

 

[Arizona's Finest]

I'm not going to read the other replys, but if this is true that is very disappointing! I thought money wasn't all that important to him??? Let him test the FA market so he can see that he won't be able to get that from any other team and leave that offer on the table.

Thing is this is sucha QB starved league that there might be teams willing to pay that depending on how cuts play out.

And more power to him. If some team wants him that bad he deserves the money grab.

 

[IAWarnerFan]

Cards have the leverage. We have the system, atmosphere and receivers he needs to be successful. $11 mil max per year. It's called negotiating for a reason

I'd say $10M is very fair and as high as I'd go. Doesn't he realize if he'd save the team a $M or two we'd be able to sign a player or two we might need?

 

[azsouthendzone]

Somebody offering that to Garcia? Warner's 37.

You may want to check that buddy. 38-39 for a two year deal. I could care less what age he is today.

 

[IAWarnerFan]

Thing is this is sucha QB starved league that there might be teams willing to pay that depending on how cuts play out.

And more power to him. If some team wants him that bad he deserves the money grab.

It depends what he wants. If he just wants $ then maybe I agree. If he wants to go out on top this isn't the way to go about it!

I was hoping for a 2 year contract, why just a year?