Mark Clayton just reported Kurt Warner wants...

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I don't have enough posts to include the link, but this is from an article on Foxsports.com.

Agent Mark Bartelstein said Warner deserves a salary among the top "four or five" quarterbacks in the league, no matter where he plays. According to Bartelstein, those five earn an average of about $14.5 million per year.
You can find the full article if you go to the Cardinals page. If this is true, which it probably is seeing as his agent said it, I don't know what Warner's thinking. I just assumed he was throwing out inflated figures to get the Cards up to 12. It's starting to sound like he's serious about 14-15.
 
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I do agree with you to a point. Defense wins championships and last year was just more proof of that.

If we go heavy on that side of the ball and draft some key pieces like OLB, DE, CB and FS and add a quality back we will redeem ourselves. Thats if these players pan out.
 

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If we go heavy on that side of the ball and draft some key pieces like OLB, DE, CB and FS and add a quality back we will redeem ourselves. Thats if these players pan out.
Agreed and if a certain few players weren't screaming for $ we might be able to go after a FA as well. Take Warner for instance. He wants $16M, but if we could just get away with $10M that'd be $6M to throw at a defensive FA.
 

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Agreed and if a certain few players weren't screaming for $ we might be able to go after a FA as well. Take Warner for instance. He wants $16M, but if we could just get away with $10M that'd be $6M to throw at a defensive FA.

This team has adopted a change in philosphy. Name big names, no big $$$ in free agency. Draft well, keep some of yours and move on. Sound familiar? Pittsburgh west...I like it.
 
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This team has adopted a change in philosphy. Name big names, no big $$$. Draft well, keep some of yours and move on. Sound familiar? Pittsburgh west...I like it.
Well, Pittsburgh East gave Ben $27M last year.
 

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How many "pass first" teams have ever won the Super Bowl? The Niners, Rams, Pats, Pack '97, Colts '07 and thats all I can think of.


NFL history says a team like ours doesn't win a ring. I love Kurt and want him back, but at 38 and $12mil a year. No thanks

QB is far and away the most important positiion on the field...period. Now after saying that the ONLY way I bring him back is through some creative package to satisfy his demand...no doubt he is that good (duh). Reluctantly I agree with your conclusion and the fact if you cannot run the ball you don't win. The time has come to see what No. 7 can really do!
 

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I want Warner back as much as anyone, but not if it means we're financially wrecked for the next two years if he goes down from an injury (not out of the realm of reason given his past) or starts to rapidly decline with age (as seems to be the case with QB's on the wrong side of 35).

The top 5 quarterback salaries (total, not just cap value) and their ages are Ben Roethlisberger (27), JaMarcus Russell (24), Tony Romo (29), Alex Smith (25), Peyton Manning (33). That's an average of 10 years younger than Warner.

Don Banks makes this argument pretty clear....

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/don_banks/12/05/snap.judgments/

Having committed their future to Cunningham, the Vikings, in the spring of 1999, unsurprisingly traded Johnson -- who was only a 30-year-old, third-year starter in 1998 -- to Washington for a package of picks. Within four seasons, Johnson had won a Super Bowl ring as a starter for the 2002 Bucs, and today, at 40, he remains in the NFL, as a reserve quarterback in Dallas.

As for Cunningham, his follow-up to his career year featured a descent as rapid as his remarkable resurgence had been. In 1999, playing poorly and looking like a shell of the player he had been the previous season, he was benched at halftime of Minnesota's sixth game, with the Vikings falling to 2-4 and turning to veteran Jeff George as their starter.

It was said Cunningham lacked the guidance of Vikings offensive coordinator Brian Billick, who had been hired as Baltimore's head coach that January (Cunningham loses Billick, Warner loses Haley). Also missing was the relationship he had with Minnesota quarterback coach Chip Myers, who had died of a heart attack in February, and Johnson's helpful insights in the backup role. Cunningham never started another game for the Vikings; they released him in June 2000 after he refused to tear up his contract and play for little more than the veteran minimum of $440,000 that season. He played two more years, as a backup in Dallas (2000) and Baltimore (2001), and then retired.


So, bring him back but at $8-9m/season without incentives and up to $10m/season with reachable incentives (assuming he doesn't totally collapse or get injured they should be an easy reach for him) and up to $12-14m/season if he performs as well as he did last year.
 
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2 yrs 22 million + 5 million signing bonus end of story.

That is still too much. I say let him dabble in FA. If he signs with anyone else for over 10 I would be shocked and in that case who cares, bring on Leinart. Too many other areas that need to be addressed. I don't think its worth mortgaging the future anyway.
 

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I want Warner back as much as anyone, but not if it means we're financially wrecked for the next two years if he goes down from an injury (not out of the realm of reason given his past) or starts to rapidly decline with age (as ).

The top 5 quarterback salaries (total, not just cap value) and their ages are Ben Roethlisberger (27), JaMarcus Russell (24), Tony Romo (29), Alex Smith (25), Peyton Manning (33). That's an average of 10 years younger than Warner.

Don Banks makes this argument pretty clear....

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/don_banks/12/05/snap.judgments/

Having committed their future to Cunningham, the Vikings, in the spring of 1999, unsurprisingly traded Johnson -- who was only a 30-year-old, third-year starter in 1998 -- to Washington for a package of picks. Within four seasons, Johnson had won a Super Bowl ring as a starter for the 2002 Bucs, and today, at 40, he remains in the NFL, as a reserve quarterback in Dallas.

As for Cunningham, his follow-up to his career year featured a descent as rapid as his remarkable resurgence had been. In 1999, playing poorly and looking like a shell of the player he had been the previous season, he was benched at halftime of Minnesota's sixth game, with the Vikings falling to 2-4 and turning to veteran Jeff George as their starter.

It was said Cunningham lacked the guidance of Vikings offensive coordinator Brian Billick, who had been hired as Baltimore's head coach that January (Cunningham loses Billick, Warner loses Haley). Also missing was the relationship he had with Minnesota quarterback coach Chip Myers, who had died of a heart attack in February, and Johnson's helpful insights in the backup role. Cunningham never started another game for the Vikings; they released him in June 2000 after he refused to tear up his contract and play for little more than the veteran minimum of $440,000 that season. He played two more years, as a backup in Dallas (2000) and Baltimore (2001), and then retired.


So, bring him back but at $8-9m/season without incentives and up to $10m/season with reachable incentives (assuming he doesn't totally collapse or get injured they should be an easy reach for him) and up to $12-14m/season if he performs as well as he did last year.

good point about the Haley/Warner-Billick/Cunningham thought.
 

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I think it's worth mentioning that last year was the first time Warner's finished in the top 5 in any statistical category since 2001. Given that fact, all this talk about being underpaid for the last 5 years and insisting on top 5 money (publicly) seems a bit ridiculous. Let Warner test the market. As Somers said in his blog today, it could actually lower his price.
 

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I agree... not so much because I'm in the camp that wants Matt to take over as the QB.. but the thought of spending that kind of money on another QB when we have so many holes to fill seems insane

The Matt era begins in 2009....!!!


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So as long as the cap hit isn't bad, money isn't an issue?

What's your point?

Mine was that to pay a guy $27 million and have it count less than $8 million against your cap is good management.

To pay a soon to be 38 year old QB 12 million for what he did last season is bad management.
 

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I love the tags for this thread.

I think it would be best for the team if Kurt were to retire. Realistically, our chances of going back to the Superbowl are slim even if everyone came back. There's just too much change in the coaching staff and even without that it's rare for teams to make it back in consecutive years. The Patriots, for example, are considered the best run team in the NFL and missed the playoffs entirely both this year and the year after winning their first Superbowl. We're not at their level yet so as much as I would love to see the Cards in the championship game again next year it's not very likely. It would be better for the team to grow with Leinart for a year than to give Warner one last hurrah.

From a PR perspective, though, the team has no choice but to offer Warner a contract. If they don't make a good attempt to keep him I think it will hurt their negotiations with players in the future.
 

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The Matt era begins in 2009....!!!


BOBCAT:D

I wouldn't count on it, unless Kurt gets injured. I think Kurt will take a reasonable offer (or more than reasonable) and he will be back next year. With what he did this season, he deserves it.
 

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I wouldn't count on it, unless Kurt gets injured. I think Kurt will take a reasonable offer (or more than reasonable) and he will be back next year. With what he did this season, he deserves it.

I wouldn't count on that either, big money could be on the horizon Friday despite Kurt's desire to return. And I really believe Q's return could be the deciding factor. Are there intentions to get him an extension? Maybe. I really don't think Warner will sign a deal until he has FULL ASSURANCES by mangaement and ownership that Quans deal is emminant. No deal for Q, no deal for Kurt and who could blame him. We will see!!! One way or another someone (Kurt, Karlos, Q or the fans) aren't going to get their way.
 

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$8-$10M is fair, especially if he wants to see Quan back and happy. No one will give him more than $10M a year, we don't need to shoot ourselves in the foot.

We need to use some of that money he is asking for on a FA agent target, after all the players that have been tagged my new top target would be a guy like CB Bryant McFadden from PIT.
 

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