Markieff to Wizards

[elindholm]

He's shown glimpses of being a great defender in the past. If he could do that nightly (which, granted, he's never done) and played offense as he did earlier in this season why wouldn't he be a top 20 player?

No one plays their best all the time. Not James, not Westbrook, not Jordan. If Bledsoe were to develop the ability to play his best all of the time, he'd be unique in the history of the league. Either compare his projected average to everyone else's average, or compare his best to everyone else's best.

 

[Catlover]

No one plays their best all the time. Not James, not Westbrook, not Jordan. If Bledsoe were to develop the ability to play his best all of the time, he'd be unique in the history of the league. Either compare his projected average to everyone else's average, or compare his best to everyone else's best.

Okay but I don't think my point was disguised in there. I believe that Bledsoe is pacing himself on defense now that he's "the man" and it's taken him from being a very good defender to a poor defender. His team defense has improved some but his on ball defense is now well below average and that was his strong suit when he was only playing 30 minutes or so. Assuming that with limited minutes he can play that well while still being effective on offense, I think he's capable of becoming a top 20 ,maybe a top 10 player. I don't think it will happen, especially since neither he nor his coach seem inclined to restrict his minutes.

 

[leclerc]

I absolutely agree that Bledsoe's defence is not much to brag about, and that he was a better player this year than previous. But we have no use for a sub-par distributor that is injured most of the time, so I hope we try to move him this summer.

Our first priority should be to get rid of Knight though. I don't think Knight wants to be 6th man and I really REALLY don't want to see another season of the dual -PG- combo guard crap with Booker being a bench player.

 

[Catlover]

I absolutely agree that Bledsoe's defence is not much to brag about, and that he was a better player this year than previous. But we have no use for a sub-par distributor that is injured most of the time, so I hope we try to move him this summer.

Our first priority should be to get rid of Knight though. I don't think Knight wants to be 6th man and I really REALLY don't want to see another season of the dual -PG- combo guard crap with Booker being a bench player.

Bledsoe was an improved offensive player this year but a far worse defender. As for Knight, I think you're in for disappointment. I really doubt we have plans to move him in the near future. We all love Booker but Knight is quite a bit better than Devin right now and probably will be for a year or two more. Unless they decide to start out the season in tank mode, Booker will be in the rotation as will Brandon. IMO the soonest we'll move Knight is next trading deadline and that's only if our season has already collapsed by that point.

 

[Mainstreet]

I think the Suns should draft a PG to play behind Bledsoe because of his injuries. The Suns have four picks (including their early second round pick) to address this issue. Price is no more than a third PG. The Suns need to play a more traditional backcourt most of the time because of Booker and perhaps the addition of Bogdan. Actually Knight could play SG well but I don't think he would take to coming off the bench. Maybe he can play there until the Suns can trade him.

The Suns should look to draft a pass first PG with athleticism. No more PG like Marshall and Ennis.

 

[BC867]

I'm curious to know how much of Bledsoe you've actually seen. Even with Booker playing well, Bledsoe is far and away our best player and will remain so for a long time.

I've seen a lot of Bledsoe since he arrived. Including his slippage in defensive effort.

To say he is our best player is actually part of the problem.

As Point Guard, it is his responsibility to be a strong facilitator to make the rest of the team better. And to give a steady effort. That has not been the case. Because of his style of play and because of his constant injuries.

P.S.: My reference some time ago to games watched referred to watching other teams' games. I do not.

Having lived in the Valley for 38 years, I've watched most Suns games going back to radio days when Suns home games were not on TV. Right through last night's game vs. Houston.

 

[Catlover]

I've seen a lot of Bledsoe since he arrived. Including his slippage in defensive effort.

To say he is our best player is actually part of the problem.

As Point Guard, it is his responsibility to be a strong facilitator to make the rest of the team better. And to give a steady effort. That has not been the case. Because of his style of play and because of his constant injuries.

P.S.: My reference some time ago to games watched referred to watching other teams' games. I do not.

Having lived in the Valley for 38 years, I've watched most Suns games going back to radio days when Suns home games were not on TV. Right through last night's game vs. Houston.

I understand his confusion, you've said on more than one occasion this season that you no longer watch Suns games. I think perhaps you're forgetting that you didn't watch them much back in November and December and have only recently begun watching them again. Just my guess.

 

[Catlover]

I've seen a lot of Bledsoe since he arrived. Including his slippage in defensive effort.

To say he is our best player is actually part of the problem.

No, it really isn't. If he were surrounded by healthy, talented, motivated players then, perhaps, his shortcomings would be part of the problem. But right now it's like saying the 348th bullet was the problem for Sonny Corleone rather than the first 347 bullets that ravaged his body.

As for Bledsoe's slippage in defensive effort, I don't believe he is lazy or anything. I just think he has X amount of energy and thinks it's his job to save most of it for offense. Hopefully the right coach will dial back his minutes and let him play more like he did that first half-season with Goran.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Cause we have to rip on someone incessantly.

 

[overseascardfan]

Biggest flaws with Bledsoe are his health and he is turnover prone. Maybe with more talent, he won't have to be the focal point of the offense and he won't have to try so hard to make things happen. But his health is a different story. I know PHX has one of the best medical staffs in sports but they can't prevent injuries as Bledsoe hasn't been able to stay off the disabled list since he came to PHX.

PHX needs a capable PG to play back up and eventually replace Bledsoe because there is no telling how long his body will hold up, especially both of his surgically repaired knees. Good thing is they have 4 picks in this year's draft (potentially) to build up the bench, God willing we land one in the Top 2 to take either Simmons or Ingram, if not I take Kris Dunn and look to deal either Knight or Bledsoe (whichever can bring the biggest return).

 

[BC867]

I understand his confusion, you've said on more than one occasion this season that you no longer watch Suns games. I think perhaps you're forgetting that you didn't watch them much back in November and December and have only recently begun watching them again. Just my guess.

That is true! For the period of a few months, there were times that I didn't turn on Suns games, even in the background to something I was doing at my desk or on the computer. I just found it too frustrating.

But with the fresh air following Jeff's stagnation and termination, I'm back enjoying the bright spots, even with losing every game.


And, being that this thread began about Markieff, I got a kick out of this.

Don't let the speed bump hit you on the way out, Kieff.

http://www.azcentral.com/story/spor...aves-hoverboard-stumbles-speed-bump/80570024/

 

[Sunburn]

We all love Booker but Knight is quite a bit better than Devin right now and probably will be for a year or two more.

Not in shooting percentage or offensive efficiency. In assists, yes, but Knight is also averaging almost 3 times as many turnovers.

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/6448/brandon-knight

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3136193/devin-booker

 

[Catlover]

Not in shooting percentage or offensive efficiency. In assists, yes, but Knight is also averaging almost 3 times as many turnovers.

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/6448/brandon-knight

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3136193/devin-booker

Knight's been playing on a bad ankle and with a sports hernia. Healthy, he had a PER above 20. Now, at least in part due to the injuries, it's dropped to 15 which is still well above Booker's 11.9. I believe Booker will be the much better player but he's easy to abuse right now and it isn't hard to take him out of his game.

I love the guy but I'm worried that too many fans are building him up to superman level and he's going to disappoint against those kinds of expectations. He isn't ready to star or even start and it's only our dwindling roster that's put him into this position. He's smart and I think he'll grow into the position quicker than most but he's not going to be Klay Thompson out of the box. And, for example, when Klay was Booker's age he was still 2 and a half years away from entering the NBA.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Don't look now, but Kris Humphries is averaging 18 and 12 for us AND WE GOT A PICK TOO!



He is shooting 35% from the 3 for this season, when he never even shot them before. Maybe he will reinvent himself as a rebounding stretch 4 at 30 years old.

 

[Catlover]

Don't look now, but Kris Humphries is averaging 18 and 12 for us AND WE GOT A PICK TOO!



He is shooting 35% from the 3 for this season, when he never even shot them before. Maybe he will reinvent himself as a rebounding stretch 4 at 30 years old.

I don't think he's going to turn us into an instant contender but could you ask him to save some of his reinvention for next season?

 

[Mainstreet]

Maybe it's me but Jon Leuer does not appear as big as when he started the season. His weight is listed at 228 but I thought he looked bigger back then. Anyone have a thought?

His 3 point shooting has been excellent at .400. I thought early he would have more impact but the PF rotation has been a mess with Markieff.

 

[sunsfan88]

I don't think it's too high of expectations to think that Booker is/will be better than Knight.

 

[Catlover]

I don't think it's too high of expectations to think that Booker is/will be better than Knight.

Will be better is a safe bet. Booker has a better stroke, better handles and is a much smarter player. He doesn't have Knight's quick first step or his athleticism but the tradeoff is in Devin's favor by quite a margin IMO. But there's only one cure for being 19 and that's turning 20 and so on. He just needs time to develop.

 

[Phrazbit]

Yahoo article blasts the Wiz for the trade.

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/wizards-gave-one-most-valuable-210525943.html

 

[GatorAZ]

Couldn't care less if I never saw anymore of Price, Goodwin or Weems.

 

[Phrazbit]

Couldn't care less if I never saw anymore of Price, Goodwin or Weems.

No doubt, I'm just glad Kieff is gone. I cannot believe the Wiz gave us a first with such high odds of being converted in the lotto.

IMO Markieff is one of the most overrated players in the league. He has one ability that is above average... the mid-range jumper, and in the modern NBA that is one of the least valuable skills imaginable. He is generally below average or downright crappy at everything else... and he is a massive cancer.

Thank god he is gone.

 

[Mainstreet]

No doubt, I'm just glad Kieff is gone. I cannot believe the Wiz gave us a first with such high odds of being converted in the lotto.

IMO Markieff is one of the most overrated players in the league. He has one ability that is above average... the mid-range jumper, and in the modern NBA that is one of the least valuable skills imaginable. He is generally below average or downright crappy at everything else... and he is a massive cancer.

Thank god he is gone.

There goes the distraction from the Suns woes. McDonough did a great job to trade him. At least now the Suns can thoroughly evaluate their roster and it's not pretty.

 

[DWKB]

http://m.bleacherreport.com/article...om&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial

Im glad they are both off of the Suns team too.

 

[Phrazbit]

http://m.bleacherreport.com/article...om&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial

Im glad they are both off of the Suns team too.

The idea that they were betrayed is nonsense. Their own actions left the Suns with no choice but to break them up. Markieff was a cancer and massive pain in the ass before his brother was ever moved.

Once more time passes I think people are going to be amazed that so much press time and ink were devoted to such a mediocre player. If not for being a twin and being a bastard this guy's profile would be about 1/10th what it is around the league.

 

[DWKB]

The idea that they were betrayed is nonsense. Their own actions left the Suns with no choice but to break them up. Markieff was a cancer and massive pain in the ass before his brother was ever moved.

Once more time passes I think people are going to be amazed that so much press time and ink were devoted to such a mediocre player. If not for being a twin and being a bastard this guy's profile would be about 1/10th what it is around the league.

Teammates didn't think they were cancers. They were simply hated by the fans, not the other players on the team.

I mean that's ok that fans hated them, but to call them cancers to the locker room and to other players is just not true based upon the people actually on the court. There is a reason the Morii constantly stress FOE.

Given the choice between your opinion and those teammates and former Suns, well… Like I said, I'm glad both of them are far away from that organization.