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Why did he switch from left tackle to right?
Maryland Tackle Jared Gaither Expected to Enter NFL Supplemental Draft
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Diamondback Jay
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I saw several games Gaither was in, and let me tell you, this guy was a mauler, a man amongst boys out there.
I say if he's for the taking, take that risk. I have a hunch it'll pay dividends and if it DOES, you've got two damn good tackles to work with.
I say if he's for the taking, take that risk. I have a hunch it'll pay dividends and if it DOES, you've got two damn good tackles to work with.
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As a Freshman for the 2005 season he was the starting LT on 580+ plays he didnt allow a single sack and only had 2 penalties. I repeat, he did that as a Freshman. He also broke the schools Vertical leap for OL record with a 38 Inch vertical. Shows how explosive he is.
The reason he moved to RT was becuase he was only playing LT in 2005 becuase Maryland had an injury to their best OL Stephon Haayer. He was the starting LT in 2003, and 2004, injured in 2005, and came back for the 2006 season which is why Gaither was switched to RT. Since Haayer was mostly a LT and Gaither could play either postition it was best for the team to move Gaither then to try and move Haayer.
The reason he moved to RT was becuase he was only playing LT in 2005 becuase Maryland had an injury to their best OL Stephon Haayer. He was the starting LT in 2003, and 2004, injured in 2005, and came back for the 2006 season which is why Gaither was switched to RT. Since Haayer was mostly a LT and Gaither could play either postition it was best for the team to move Gaither then to try and move Haayer.
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Throwing a second rounder out for anyone is VERY risky - ESPECIALLY for Gaither. Had he stayed in school, as physically impressive he is, would've probably been the fourth best tackle in this year's class and was already considered a boom-bust type of guy.
Toss a fourth out there and if you love what you see a third. TOPS. Not a second rounder. AT ALL.
Toss a fourth out there and if you love what you see a third. TOPS. Not a second rounder. AT ALL.
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Which means he would have been taken in the 1st round.
Any 2nd rounder is a boom or bust pick. Branch is a boom or bust pick.
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I agree that there's a pretty good chance that we won't be that good next year - considering it's a new coaching staff installing a new system with a fairly large number of new players.
BUT shouldn't the pick be based on Gaithers talent rather than guessing what we need a year from now? I mean you get a discount on all supplemental players, because they're in the supplemental draft because some kind of red flag. If Gaithers was spotless and had attended the regular draft he most likely would have been selected in the bottom of the 1st round. If we use a 2nd rounder, we get a 1st round talent and we "earn" a year of experience.
I can see you point if there was NO chance at all of us using a high pick on a OT next year, but since it's very likely, I don't see the problem with using a 2nd rounder on Gaither.
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Whis and Co. would need to really look into where this kids head is at ... then establish how high of a pick that we willing to invest in him ...
3rd would be a real good deal for us .. but with the situation we are in, lacking young talent at tackle then we may have to invest a 2nd ...
3rd would be a real good deal for us .. but with the situation we are in, lacking young talent at tackle then we may have to invest a 2nd ...
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Well, there are only 4 other teams that could use a 3rd for Gaither and draft him over the Cards, right? (using last years draft order)
spanky1
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Thanks for the clarification.
With this in mind, I'd still take him and use whatever our 2nd rounder next year might equate to.
IMO, he'll become a real force at LT and this would be a bargain.
lobo
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That one was low hanging fruit. You beat me to the punch! The funny part to me is that if I were to post I was not going to mention his name either for fear that it would start another long string of posts about him (even though I have been hibernating the past month or so I didn't want people to suffer reading the bull pucky that would have followed)
Back to my gardening.
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Considering Gaither has had a total of 4 penalties in 2 season, I don't think he will have a problem. I don't even know how many of those 4 were false starts either, they could have been all holding calls.
Its all about being held accountable and getting discipline from coaches. I think that is what Grimm brings more to the table then anything else. IMO penalties will be the last item on the list of things to bring up concerning our OL when the season starts, no matter who will be starting.
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Somewhere within Cardinal HQ, there figures to be large black book (or digital version of same) which sets up a rough "2008 BPA Board" in a manner similar to what we went with in past recent drafts. Gaither, no doubt is ranked somewhere on that list of prospects.
Whether (or where) we'd draft in him in the supplemental would probably depend on where he was slotted on our Board - with the upsides and downsides of getting him one season earlier probably being given some weight as well.
Therefore, before we could properly determine whether or not we should attempt to grab Gaither in the supplemental (and in what round), we'd have to know which 2008 prospects are likely to be available next April and how good they are.
I'm nowhere close to thinking about 2008 yet; but I'd like to think Rod G and Steve K are.
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I'd like to think Rod Graves ISN'T. I hope he's thinking about how to get his 2007 draft picks signed by training camp.
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Well there had to be something wrong with him. There is not one player that I know of that has entered the Supplemental Draft without some major flaw thus they would have entered the Regular Draft. It seems that players either flunk out or get kicked off the team for legal troubles.
Lets look at the last few entrants:
Mike Wahle - Dismissed from Naval Academy, turned out to be a steal for GB.
Jamal Williams - Got kicked off Okahoma State football team for drug possession if I'm not mistaken. Another seal for SD this time.
Manuel Wright - Highly touted USC recruit never got it together in the class room and thus flunked out of school. Dolphins wasted a pick on him, who knows if he'll put it together in the pros.
Ahmad Brooks - Sticking w/ themes either dismissed from UVA for pot of grades, forgot. Would have been taken in the 1st two rounds in the regular draft if we would't have gotten kicked out of school. Ironically he plays for a team that wears stripes w/ some who deserve to be in real stripes as in prison. Jury is still out on him.
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Nothing we arleady didnt know. Maturity and levels of work ethic have been known for 2 years now. Him not being able to start right away has also been known. He is a project.
Except for one beat writters opinion who works in DC, whats new?
What OT outside of the 1st round doesnt have just as many questions marks. This year alone 2 OT's with huge question marks, just as many as Gaither, were taken in the first round in Ugoh and Staley.
Gaither will probably drop for the simple fact that next years draft is going to have an abundance of OT depth from the 1st round down to the last, and thats without even projecting any juniors coming out. It is going to be a great draft for OT and DE/OLB tweeners.
Depending on his workout and if he puts up the numbers that the Terps have been bragging about for 2 years now which would put him atop in the top 5 of every single category at the combine, will ultimatly affect his draft status.
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Your posts and not wanting people to suffer reading the bull pucky that will follow go together like milk and cookies.
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Has AZ ever picked in the supplemental draft? I think they did but it's too late and I'm too lazy to look it up. Either way I really don't see AZ using a pick on this guy although I think it could be a wise investment.
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I believe Kelly Stoufer and/or Tim Rosenbach were Supps if I'm not mistaken.
BACH
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Yeah, but isn't that basing it on talent as well?
I agree that you should look on Gaither projected slot next year and factor that into your decision on where to draft him.
My point was, that you shouldn't focus on this specific CB or this speific OLB to be available with the pick that you're using in the supplemental draft. Players drop and rise all over the board in the next year, and the most certain thing to make the decision on is Gaither's talent today.
lobo
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Do yourself a favor and don't read them...i assure you not only won't I lose any sleep over it but I don't care.
Rosenbach was a supplemental selection (1989). Stouffer sadly was a first round selection in the regular draft(1987).
I think the last guy the Cards took in the supplemental draft was Willie Williams a TE from LSU in 1990.
I think the last guy the Cards took in the supplemental draft was Willie Williams a TE from LSU in 1990.
Diamondback Jay
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Hey look, I don't care if the guy is dumber than a handful of bricks and has the vocabulary of those said masses. As long as he performs on the football field, I'm a happy camper. I've seen Gaither several times against quality teams, and I've got no reason to believe this guy can't be a damned good OT on the NFL level.
Not like the Cards have a surplus of tackles.. What would be the value they'd buy on the guy? If the worst case is them giving up a third, that's a future investment I'd highly consider. If the guy takes off like I think he will, you have the potential for a explosive OLine all around.
Not like the Cards have a surplus of tackles.. What would be the value they'd buy on the guy? If the worst case is them giving up a third, that's a future investment I'd highly consider. If the guy takes off like I think he will, you have the potential for a explosive OLine all around.
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It might just be his lack of intelligence, it shows his immaturity as well. The guy may end up being a problem on and off the field.
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July 7
Sacramento Bee (scroll down) (registration required): "The 49ers will attend offensive tackle Jared Gaither's workout Monday at the University of Maryland. The 6-9, 350-pound Gaither is believed to be the top prospect in Thursday's supplemental draft."
I am sure that we are sending someone to his workout like the 49ers are .. maybe we will hear more input on him after he works out ... I still am very leary of giving up a 2nd round pick .. a 3rd wouldn't be so bad ...
July 7
Sacramento Bee (scroll down) (registration required): "The 49ers will attend offensive tackle Jared Gaither's workout Monday at the University of Maryland. The 6-9, 350-pound Gaither is believed to be the top prospect in Thursday's supplemental draft."
I am sure that we are sending someone to his workout like the 49ers are .. maybe we will hear more input on him after he works out ... I still am very leary of giving up a 2nd round pick .. a 3rd wouldn't be so bad ...
