Maryland Tackle Jared Gaither Expected to Enter NFL Supplemental Draft

[Cbus cardsfan]

If the Cards want him, they'll have to put a 2nd round claim on him. There is no way a potentially elite tackle prospect is going to be passed over 64+ times. In fact the Cards will be lucky if he's there at 40. The guy worked out phenomenally and that's exactly what scouts love. Any coach thinks they can get them up to par mental-wise. Having those physical attributes will make it very hard for teams to pass on him once, let alone twice.

 

[Mulli]

If the Cards want him, they'll have to put a 2nd round claim on him. There is no way a potentially elite tackle prospect is going to be passed over 64+ times. In fact the Cards will be lucky if he's there at 40. The guy worked out phenomenally and that's exactly what scouts love. Any coach thinks they can get them up to par mental-wise. Having those physical attributes will make it very hard for teams to pass on him once, let alone twice.

ok fine. second round.

 

[Shogun]

If the Cards want him, they'll have to put a 2nd round claim on him. There is no way a potentially elite tackle prospect is going to be passed over 64+ times. In fact the Cards will be lucky if he's there at 40. The guy worked out phenomenally and that's exactly what scouts love. Any coach thinks they can get them up to par mental-wise. Having those physical attributes will make it very hard for teams to pass on him once, let alone twice.

I disagree. On rare occasions do Supp. Draft players even garner a second pick (Tony Hollings was an abberation because Casserly was a total idiot and didn't know the SD well). Gaither had a good workout, but HARDLY spectacular. Everyone KNOWS he was a great athlete. That's not the question regarding him. As I said, the main concerns with him lie mentally. NO ONE is really going to throw a first or second (where one can find a surefire day one contributor/starter) on someone who is unreliable or questionable mentally or work ethic-wise. Not even Jerry Jones.

Antajj Hawthorne was considered an elite prospect who fell off the planet because of suspect work ethic and attitude (not to mention the weed incident).

 

[Stout]

Third round pick. No more no less.

Exactamundo. I'm tempted for a 2nd, but you can't pull the trigger on that.

 

[Assface]

Exactamundo. I'm tempted for a 2nd, but you can't pull the trigger on that.

Yeah, we should save that second rounder for another JJ Arrington.

BTW, why is it that any RB we draft in the second round sucks so bad? Recent second rounders:

Boldin: stud
Dansby: stud
Lutui: stud
Arrington: no huevos.

 

[Assface]

I'd use a second on him in a heartbeat. Dude can play. He's got the size and measurables but also the production. He's committed very few penalties in 3 years and allowed only about 2 sacks. (someone else posted the stats earlier in this thread.) Considering we have Gandy and Ross as at least one of our starters I'd feel much more comfortable with Gaither on the roster to take over at some point.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Yes, because I have more posts than you.

ok fine. second round.

I love it when I don't even have to debate with you.

 

[BigWatson]

I'd use a second on him in a heartbeat. Dude can play. He's got the size and measurables but also the production. He's committed very few penalties in 3 years and allowed only about 2 sacks. (someone else posted the stats earlier in this thread.) Considering we have Gandy and Ross as at least one of our starters I'd feel much more comfortable with Gaither on the roster to take over at some point.

Give me a break. The guy played only 23 college games. He never even mastered one position, he switched back and forth from left to right tackle. Plus he is not the sharpest knife in the drawer. He is a project, much like Winston Justice when he came out in 06, and you don't waste a high 2nd round pick in the suppl. draft on a guy like that. Pick him up in the 4th if he's still available, but i think the Ravens would pick him up late in the 3rd. If he's available - fine. If not - who cares. It's not like this guy could come in and start for us right away.

I'd much rather draft a tackle in the 2nd or 3rd round in 08.

 

[cardsfanmd]

Give me a break. The guy played only 23 college games. He never even mastered one position, he switched back and forth from left to right tackle. Plus he is not the sharpest knife in the drawer. He is a project, much like Winston Justice when he came out in 06, and you don't waste a high 2nd round pick in the suppl. draft on a guy like that. Pick him up in the 4th if he's still available, but i think the Ravens would pick him up late in the 3rd. If he's available - fine. If not - who cares. It's not like this guy could come in and start for us right away.

I'd much rather draft a tackle in the 2nd or 3rd round in 08.

Winston Justice was not a project at all. He was the starting tackle on the best team in college football and had a great career. Teams were hesitant about him due to his off the field behavioral issues/attitude. There was no question about his game.

Gaither flunked out of school!!! Do you have any idea how unbelievably difficult that is to do as an athlete on a D1 football team? I was almost an honor student because I was a lacrosse player. I did next to no work. He had to work harder to be a loser than he would have had to in order to graduate. Talent-wise, I would rate this guy as a first rounder and would have no problem using a second rounder on him. But his mental/motivational ineptitude really frightens me. Offensive line is one of the most cerebral positions on the field, especially w/ Grimm's scheme. I am just not sure he could dedicate himself to learning it thoroughly.

 

[cardsfanmd]

And Winston Justice looked like a hell of a player by the end of last season BTW.

 

[BigWatson]

Winston Justice? The guy was inactive for 16 straight games. Couldn't crack the active roster and hasn't played a single snap.

 

[joeshmo]

Winston Justice? The guy was inactive for 16 straight games. Couldn't crack the active roster and hasn't played a single snap.

Doesnt mean he isnt any good. He is sitting behind the Eagles really good OT tandem that have been starting for them for 7 straight season(Thats called cohesion Cardinals). He was drafted becuase they were not sure they could re-sign Runyan and they are getting up there in age. Him not cracking the lineup says nothing about his ability.

In fact Philly didnt carry a backup OT on the active roster all season long. Thats how confident they are in their current starting OT's.

 

[joeshmo]

He never even mastered one position, he switched back and forth from left to right tackle. Plus he is not the sharpest knife in the drawer. He is a project, much like Winston Justice when he came out in 06, and you don't waste a high 2nd round pick in the suppl. draft on a guy like that. Pick him up in the 4th if he's still available, but i think the Ravens would pick him up late in the 3rd. If he's available - fine. If not - who cares. It's not like this guy could come in and start for us right away.

I'd much rather draft a tackle in the 2nd or 3rd round in 08.

He switched from left to right due to injuries, to no fault of his own.

And yes he wont be able to start right away, but niether would 90% of any other OT you take in the 2nd or 3rd round. Heck the two other 1st round OT's not named Thomas or Brown wont be able to start right away either.

So you either spend a 2008 2nd or 3rd on an OT and groom him to start in 2008, or you use a 2nd or 3rd rounder in 2008 and groom him to start in 2009.

 

[BigWatson]

Doesnt mean he isnt any good.

Well, that's not the point. He said that Justice looked great at the end of the season, but he hasn't even played a single snap. Maybe he was mixing him up with some other tackle, i don't know.

 

[cardsfanmd]

My bad, I didn't have any breakfast this morning.

 

[BigWatson]

but niether would 90% of any other OT you take in the 2nd or 3rd round.

I don't know. Check out the 06 draft class:

2nd round
OT Colledge -> Starter for the Packers
OT McNeill -> Starter for the Chargers
OT Whitworth -> Starter for the Bengals
OT Trueblood -> Starter for the Buccaneers

3rd round
OT Spencer -> Starter for the Texans (Got hurt)
OT Winston -> Starter for the Texans (Got hurt)

Plus every guard draftend in the 1st, 2nd and 3rd round cracked the starting lineup as well. The only guys not to do so were Justice from the Eagles and Butler from the Panthers.

 

[BigWatson]

My bad, I didn't have any breakfast this morning.

 

[kerouac9]

I don't know. Check out the 06 draft class:

2nd round
OT Colledge -> Starter for the Packers
OT McNeill -> Starter for the Chargers
OT Whitworth -> Starter for the Bengals
OT Trueblood -> Starter for the Buccaneers

3rd round
OT Spencer -> Starter for the Texans (Got hurt)
OT Winston -> Starter for the Texans (Got hurt)

Plus every guard draftend in the 1st, 2nd and 3rd round cracked the starting lineup as well. The only guys not to do so were Justice from the Eagles and Butler from the Panthers.

I actually think that it's not going to be fair to compare anything to the 2006 draft class, which will go down in history as one of the deepest draft classes of all time. Like, ever ever ever. This year's draft class was comparatively shallow, but I think that classes like 2005 and 2004 are more of the norm.

 

[joeshmo]

I don't know. Check out the 06 draft class:

First you cant compare Gaurds to Tackles on how fast they start or start at a high level. Completely different positions.

Second, K9 already stated it but the 2006 draft cannot be compared to any others becuase it was LOADED. Take a look at all the players selected not just the linemen in every single round. Its just plain old sick talent.

Third, 2005 - 2nd and 3rd round OT's - MArcus Johnson started only 8 games and stunk with 10 penalties and 4 sacks. Khalif Barnes didnt start until week 5 after an injury occured and only came into his own his 2nd year. Roos was an immediate starter from day one after Tenn. huge cap mismanagement problems, there wasnt even competition for him and it hurt big with him giving up 6 sacks and 10 penalties. Adam Terry has started a total of 2 games in 2 years with some spot duty here and there giving up 4 penalties and 2 sacks. Chris Colmer hasnt even been active in 2 years.

The 2004 class wasnt any better, in fact worse because a lot of the OT's were moved to OG including a lot of the 1st round OT's.

So even if OT's do start right away they rarely if ever are even average their first years, except for the outragous 2006 draft.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Give me a break. The guy played only 23 college games. He never even mastered one position, he switched back and forth from left to right tackle. Plus he is not the sharpest knife in the drawer. He is a project, much like Winston Justice when he came out in 06, and you don't waste a high 2nd round pick in the suppl. draft on a guy like that. Pick him up in the 4th if he's still available, but i think the Ravens would pick him up late in the 3rd. If he's available - fine. If not - who cares. It's not like this guy could come in and start for us right away.

I'd much rather draft a tackle in the 2nd or 3rd round in 08.

Let me see if i get your logic correctly here. It's OK to take a so-called project like Winston Justice in the first part of the 2nd round in the regular draft but you're wasting a high 2nd rounder if it's a supp. pick . I think it was almost unanamous that everyone wanted Justice if he was there in round 2.Some wanted him in round 1. Justice and Hawthorne had character or drug issues. This guy just seems like he didn't like school. There are alot of guys in the NFL who weren't model students. I think the main reason he flunked out is because he plays for a coach that holds players accountable and amkes them work in the classroom. If the guy was at FSU, Miami, Oklahoma, or Texas i'm sure he would be still be on the college playing field.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Yeah, we should save that second rounder for another JJ Arrington.

BTW, why is it that any RB we draft in the second round sucks so bad? Recent second rounders:

Boldin: stud
Dansby: stud
Lutui: stud
Arrington: no huevos.

That entire draft was a waste.

Draft for 2005 -
1. Antrel Rolle
2. JJ Arrington
3. Eric Green
3. Darryl Blackstock
4. Elton Brown
5. Lance Mitchell
7. LeRon McCoy

 

[BigWatson]

Second, K9 already stated it but the 2006 draft cannot be compared to any others becuase it was LOADED. Take a look at all the players selected not just the linemen in every single round. Its just plain old sick talent.

Wrong. Most of them became starters because of injuries, not because they were so damn good. Marcus McNeill became the starter because Roman Oben got hurt. Then their backup LT got hurt as well, and that's when they had to bring in McNeill. Whithworth became a starter when Levi Jones got hurt. Winston started a few games when Todd Weiner got hurt. Spencer, Winston, Trueblood and Whithworth they all struggled and gave up critical sacks over and over again.

Third, 2005 - 2nd and 3rd round OT's - MArcus Johnson started only 8 games and stunk with 10 penalties and 4 sacks.

So? He's a rookie. You're acting like all the other rookie tackles and guards (Johnson played guard as well, btw) made the Pro Bowl.

Khalif Barnes didnt start until week 5 after an injury occured and only came into his own his 2nd year.

Not really true. Pearson was the starter and he got hurt. They inserted Salaam at LT but he struggled, then they replaced him with Barnes who dominated some DE's, including guys like Freeney.

Roos was an immediate starter from day one after Tenn. huge cap mismanagement problems, there wasnt even competition for him and it hurt big with him giving up 6 sacks and 10 penalties. Adam Terry has started a total of 2 games in 2 years with some spot duty here and there giving up 4 penalties and 2 sacks. Chris Colmer hasnt even been active in 2 years.

Let's see:
- Michael Roos (Starter)
- Khalif Barnes (Starter)

Terry is a LT. The Ravens didn't draft him so he can beat out Ogden for the LT job.

3rd round:
- Trai Essex (rookie starter). Moved to the bench.
- Adam Snyder (rookie starter until Heitmann got healthy)
- Nick Kaczur (rookie starter)

The 2004 class wasnt any better, in fact worse because a lot of the OT's were moved to OG including a lot of the 1st round OT's.

Well why don't you mention the other tackles in 05 that got drafted in the 1st round then? Jammal Brown is a Pro Bowler and Alex Barron is St. Louis' starting RT.

Let's check out the 04 draftclass:

2nd round:
Jacob Rodgers. A bust i guess.

3rd round:
Max Starks, starting RT for the Steelers.
Sean Locklears, starting RT for the Seahawks.
Travelle Wharton, starting LT for the Panthers.

So even if OT's do start right away they rarely if ever are even average their first years, except for the outragous 2006 draft.

What was so special about the 06 draft? The only guy who really shined was McNeill. Spencer and Winston looked average at best until they got hurt. Whithworth got punked by Dumervil a couple of times and he also gave up 4 sacks against the Colts in ONE game (3 vs Freeney). Trueblood didn't look good at all. Ryan Cook was a bust and Darryn Colledge plays guard for the Packers. Justice is a project player or a bust, call him what you want. And finally, Rashad Baker couldn't even crack the active roster.

Whatever. My point is: Gaither is not ready to play as a rookie, he will probably need about 3 years until he's ready. That's just my opinion. So why waste a (high) 2nd round on him? So he can become a starter in 2010? Why not just draft a smart, proven and NFL-ready tackle in the 2nd or 3rd round in 08? Why go boom or bust with Gaither?

 

[BigWatson]

Let me see if i get your logic correctly here. It's OK to take a so-called project like Winston Justice in the first part of the 2nd round in the regular draft but you're wasting a high 2nd rounder if it's a supp. pick .

If you draft a guy in the draft, all you lose is a current draft pick. If you draft a guy in the supp. draft, you will lose a draft pick in 08. What for? If you want a tackle, go and draft one in 08. Why waste a high 2nd round pick on a guy like Gaither? He's far from being a finished product and like i said earlier he is a tool. You don't draft guys like that in the 1st or 2nd round, especially not a tackle and especially not in the suppl. draft. If he is there in the 4th round, go ahead and pick him up. He would be worth the risk. He is not worth an early 2nd or 3rd round pick though. Maybe i'm wrong and he will become a great starter for somebody else? I don't know. But i'm happy with the tackles we have right now. We don't need two Pro Bowl tackles. Levi is our franchise tackle and all we need is an average starter for the left side, that's it.

 

[joeshmo]

Wrong. Most of them became starters because of injuries, not because they were so damn good. Marcus McNeill became the starter because Roman Oben got hurt. Then their backup LT got hurt as well, and that's when they had to bring in McNeill. Whithworth became a starter when Levi Jones got hurt. Winston started a few games when Todd Weiner got hurt. Spencer, Winston, Trueblood and Whithworth they all struggled and gave up critical sacks over and over again.


So? He's a rookie. You're acting like all the other rookie tackles and guards (Johnson played guard as well, btw) made the Pro Bowl.


Not really true. Pearson was the starter and he got hurt. They inserted Salaam at LT but he struggled, then they replaced him with Barnes who dominated some DE's, including guys like Freeney.


Let's see:
- Michael Roos (Starter)
- Khalif Barnes (Starter)

Terry is a LT. The Ravens didn't draft him so he can beat out Ogden for the LT job.

3rd round:
- Trai Essex (rookie starter). Moved to the bench.
- Adam Snyder (rookie starter until Heitmann got healthy)
- Nick Kaczur (rookie starter)


Well why don't you mention the other tackles in 05 that got drafted in the 1st round then? Jammal Brown is a Pro Bowler and Alex Barron is St. Louis' starting RT.

Let's check out the 04 draftclass:

2nd round:
Jacob Rodgers. A bust i guess.

3rd round:
Max Starks, starting RT for the Steelers.
Sean Locklears, starting RT for the Seahawks.
Travelle Wharton, starting LT for the Panthers.


What was so special about the 06 draft? The only guy who really shined was McNeill. Spencer and Winston looked average at best until they got hurt. Whithworth got punked by Dumervil a couple of times and he also gave up 4 sacks against the Colts in ONE game (3 vs Freeney). Trueblood didn't look good at all. Ryan Cook was a bust and Darryn Colledge plays guard for the Packers. Justice is a project player or a bust, call him what you want. And finally, Rashad Baker couldn't even crack the active roster.

Whatever. My point is: Gaither is not ready to play as a rookie, he will probably need about 3 years until he's ready. That's just my opinion. So why waste a (high) 2nd round on him? So he can become a starter in 2010? Why not just draft a smart, proven and NFL-ready tackle in the 2nd or 3rd round in 08? Why go boom or bust with Gaither?

So you spend a whole big post making my point for me, Thanks. 2nd and 3rd round OT's are not ready to start for a year or 2 anyways and the ones who did start only started becuase of injuries. So who cares if Gaither isnt ready to start right away, he will have a 1 year head start compared to other 2nd or 3rd round selections who cant start right away. But since you went and proved my point for me you had to find a way around that by saying that Gaither wont be able to start for 3 years anyways so the point doesnt even matter.

And you completely missed the point on the 2006 draft. We arent talking about just OL talent, its the draft as a whole was crazy good.

 

[joeshmo]

If you draft a guy in the draft, all you lose is a current draft pick. If you draft a guy in the supp. draft, you will lose a draft pick in 08. What for? If you want a tackle, go and draft one in 08. Why waste a high 2nd round pick on a guy like Gaither? He's far from being a finished product and like i said earlier he is a tool. You don't draft guys like that in the 1st or 2nd round, especially not a tackle and especially not in the suppl. draft. If he is there in the 4th round, go ahead and pick him up. He would be worth the risk. He is not worth an early 2nd or 3rd round pick though. Maybe i'm wrong and he will become a great starter for somebody else? I don't know. But i'm happy with the tackles we have right now. We don't need two Pro Bowl tackles. Levi is our franchise tackle and all we need is an average starter for the left side, that's it.

He is a Tool for not liking school?

Your happy with Gandy?