Matt Barkley

[SissyBoyFloyd]

I want to see Skelton be given the reigns of the team for a full year before saying we have to go out and get another and another and another QB. I think Skelton is someone who could succeed nicely if the dang coach would show him so respect and trust. I wonder if any QB can succeed under Whiz. And I know Skelton could succeed as well as anyone until we build a good OL. Skelton doesn't do to bad behind that shower curtain of a line we have.

 

[Jetstream Green]

I want to see Skelton be given the reigns of the team for a full year before saying we have to go out and get another and another and another QB. I think Skelton is someone who could succeed nicely if the dang coach would show him so respect and trust. I wonder if any QB can succeed under Whiz. And I know Skelton could succeed as well as anyone until we build a good OL. Skelton doesn't do to bad behind that shower curtain of a line we have.

Skelton does need a full year to find out what we have in him now. This would be the year we would know after his first couple of years. But, if we play spot duty with our QBs, it will destroy any hope of considering Skelton as the future QB of this team. Draft will come around. The rotating QB fiasco will force the franchise to draft a QB and we will never hear of Skelton again. Really, the way both QBs are being handled right now could well destroy them both of either having any hope in this league. Whisenhunt needs to make a decision now. The team needs to know and they need to know now.

 

[Bodha]

I want to see Skelton be given the reigns of the team for a full year before saying we have to go out and get another and another and another QB. I think Skelton is someone who could succeed nicely if the dang coach would show him so respect and trust. I wonder if any QB can succeed under Whiz. And I know Skelton could succeed as well as anyone until we build a good OL. Skelton doesn't do to bad behind that shower curtain of a line we have.

I agree on settling on 1 QB for one full year, regardless of struggles. The draft and FA isnt tomorrow, so we have the time.


BUt my point of going to get Barkley is specifically counter to the idea of getting "another and another and another QB". Because we always take project QBs and hope they work out.

Its been a very long time since we went after a headliner, best QB in the draft. I get hes not a sure thing, but hes the surest thing and its been a long time since weve had a shred of stability like that in a prospect.

 

[john h]

Thats right, Im starting this thread.


Situation: The Cardinals need a franchise QB. He is currently not on this roster. Its not Kolb. Skelton will have a darn good career, as a darn good backup.

Options:
a. 2013 draft - Matt Barkley is the consensus best overall QB available.

b. Free agency


Problem:
a. Cardinals will need near-#1 pick to take him. Odds are we'll be around pick 9-13.

b. USC QBs whose names start with "M". Matt Leinart, Mark Sanchez.

c. Franchise QBs dont become available in FA.


For your consideration: AZ has a good history with players named "Barkley"




Question: Should the Cardinals bet the house ala' the Redskins last year, and move up to take Matt Barkley?

Sorry but I do not even know who Barkley is. I assume he must be good for you to put him in this category. Here in my home state we have a darn good NFL type QB in Tyler Wilson. He sort of has it all in size, arm, and a ream smart young man with his head on straight. He will likely be the best QB in the SEC this year so as of now he is my QBOTF.

 

[DemsMyBoys]

Sorry but I do not even know who Barkley is.

He's the kid who is quarterbacking USC after Pete Carroll high-tailed it to Seattle to avoid getting nailed in the Reggie Bush debacle.

 

[Russ Smith]

He's the kid who is quarterbacking USC after Pete Carroll high-tailed it to Seattle to avoid getting nailed in the Reggie Bush debacle.

No that was coincidence, Pete insists he didn't leave because of the sanctions.

What no seriously he insists that's not true.

Really.

 

[Bodha]

Sorry but I do not even know who Barkley is. I assume he must be good for you to put him in this category. Here in my home state we have a darn good NFL type QB in Tyler Wilson. He sort of has it all in size, arm, and a ream smart young man with his head on straight. He will likely be the best QB in the SEC this year so as of now he is my QBOTF.

Not to be a jerk, but ill be honest, I dont know how credible your assesment is of Tyler Wilson, or overall knowledge of college FB is if you dont know who Barkley is. Thats like being a NBA or NFL or tennis fan and not knowing who Derrick Rose is. Or not knowing who Cam Newton is. Or not knowing who Novak Djokovic is. Hes the most talked about, most covered player in the league. HEs a virtual lock for the Heisman. IF you watched ESPN for 5 minutes, theres a good chance youll here his name at least once.

I do follow College football very closely, so I do know who Tyler Wilson is and I disagree. He is a very good College QB. Much like Colt Mccoy was a great College QB. He doesnt translate well to the NFL. HEs the next Jimmy Clausen, if he were drafted.

As some others have said, Logan Thomas is an interesting prospect, but Im tired of going after projects and maybe-hell-be-goods. Barkely isnt a sure thing, but hes pretty darn close. Odds are, hell be a very good NFL QB.

 

[crisper57]

23-38 for 377 yards and 4 TDs against Hawaii. Looks good, but here is what concerns me about him: Marquise Lee.

Two plays stick out to me. First Barkley connect with Lee on a 5 yard curl route. Lee is so athletic, he turns it into a 75 yard TD. The second play is basically a lateral that Lee takes for 41 yards.

I am terrified that Barkley is Leinart 2.0. He is surrounded by such superior talent, that he may appear better than he really is.

 

[Gaddabout]

I don't think Barkley is Leinart 2.0, although arm strength is something of an issue. Not as much as Leinart, but he's not a tall guy with a missile arm.

I'd be more worried about Barkley putting up big numbers behind that offensive line. Leinart did the same thing. Always had 3 seconds or more to throw. Never seemed to get touch. Barkley has the same advantage. There are LOTS of guys who could put up big numbers if they have time to stand in the pocket and comfortably go through all their checks like it's a film room session.

 

[crisper57]

At least Lee only had the second best receiving day yesterday. My NMSU Aggies put on an aerial show last night!

Looks like their showdown with Ohio next week will be must see TV.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

I think Skelton is an adequate game managing QB. He's not a guy to go out and win you games. The Cardinals top two priorities going into next years offseason have to be spending top shelf coin on the best Olinemen in FA and doing whatever it takes to land Barkley or Wilson. No more scrubs or castoffs from other teams and no more projects. The cardinals are the only team is this division consistently moving backwards.

Skelton has been quite the opposite. Poor game manager but good at winning games in the end.

For example, a good game mgr is good on short and intermediate routes.

Skelton last season:

Routes 10-20 yds (43.7% 2TD/6 INT)

 

[JeffGollin]

El Bridgo Crosso.

We don't know how Barkley will do. We don't know whether someone else will be higher rated than Barkley. We don't know how our guys will do. (We can guess, but we won't know). And we don't have to know until next Spring. So why rush the decision?

 

[Bodha]

23-38 for 377 yards and 4 TDs against Hawaii. Looks good, but here is what concerns me about him: Marquise Lee.

Two plays stick out to me. First Barkley connect with Lee on a 5 yard curl route. Lee is so athletic, he turns it into a 75 yard TD. The second play is basically a lateral that Lee takes for 41 yards.

I am terrified that Barkley is Leinart 2.0. He is surrounded by such superior talent, that he may appear better than he really is.

Larry Fitzgerald, Michael Floyd.

If your worried that his WRs make him look good, then nothing will change once hes a Cardinal


Also, it should be pointed out that Lee and Woods dropped a ton of balls. That 40 yard bomb that Lee lost in the Sun and smacked him right in the facemask was TD #5.


*and not thatd itd matter, but if it makes you feel better, we could pull a Colts and draft Lee in the 2nd or 3rd round if hes still there for Barks comfort.

 

[crisper57]

Not that I'd ever wish injury on someone, but I do hope their OL faces a ton of adversity this year so that we can see what he will look like behind our line next season.

 

[WarnerHOF]

Larry Fitzgerald, Michael Floyd.

If your worried that his WRs make him look good, then nothing will change once hes a Cardinal


Also, it should be pointed out that Lee and Woods dropped a ton of balls. That 40 yard bomb that Lee lost in the Sun and smacked him right in the facemask was TD #5.


*and not thatd itd matter, but if it makes you feel better, we could pull a Colts and draft Lee in the 2nd or 3rd round if hes still there for Barks comfort.

Lee's a first round pick. Guy is already insanely good as a true sophomore and has the acceleration and speed of the gods.

 

[DoTheDew]

I like Barkley, not as much as Luck, but I do like him. But it doesn't matter. We're not going to win less than 3 games which is normally what it takes to get the top pick.

The last time we had the #1 pick was in 1958. Considering how many times we've been a downright awful team since then, you'd think we'd have gotten it more often. We seem to get the 2nd-5th pick quite often, but always seems to win some meaningless game we have no business winning against a team who's contending for a playoff spot in the last 3 weeks of the season to bump us down in the draft order and our we're not bold enough to trade the tons of picks it'd take to move up to #1.

 

[187]

I think he could be pretty good, but I am pretty uneasy about USC QB's nowadays.

I don't know why, I'm just not enamored with Barkley. Just for fun, I compared him to Clausen. 6'2", 225-ish. Through 3 years in college, they have comparable stats (except for TD's).

Like someone else said, maybe he can make more of the throws, but I get the same feeling about his ceiling at the next level as I had with Clausen, Joey Harrington, or Brady Quinn. Which is to say, I don't think it is very high.

Then again, I thought the same thing about Cam Newton, so I could be wrong.

Man, is there a more punchable face in the NFL than Jimmy Clausen? I remember getting on my knees and pleading with the football god's to not let Arizona draft him when they traded up to take DWash.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Tyler Wilson is better. He didn't have a bad game either:
19-27 367 yards and 3 TD's. He didn't play anybody but those are still pretty good numbers. Plus, he's working with an entirely new WR corp.

 

[Buckybird]

Tyler Wilson is better. He didn't have a bad game either:
19-27 367 yards and 3 TD's. He didn't play anybody but those are still pretty good numbers. Plus, he's working with an entirely new WR corp.

I like Wilson too, but I find it strange how nobody's mentioning Geno Smith who might be the best of the bunch.

Anyway, it's time the Cards go all in at whatever cost to get the guy they feel in the best QB.

 

[JeffGollin]

On a slightly different note - the obligatory "maybe we can lose all our games so we can have the top pick and draft<QB flavor of the month>" has already started.

Puhleeeeez!

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

On a slightly different note - the obligatory "maybe we can lose all our games so we can have the top pick and draft<QB flavor of the month>" has already started.

Puhleeeeez!

I'm not suggesting that.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I like Wilson too, but I find it strange how nobody's mentioning Geno Smith who might be the best of the bunch.

Anyway, it's time the Cards go all in at whatever cost to get the guy they feel in the best QB.

I'm not a Geno Smith fan. From what I have seen, he's a slightly bigger version of Pat White. He's a good college QB but doesn't have the throwing ability to make it in the NFL. His numbers are great but I think that's more a product of their system. I want QB's that have to make some reads and at least Wilson and Barkley, who I don't like all that much either, have to be able to somewhat read a defense.

Braxton Miller, from OSU, is probably going to put up great numbers this year. To me, he has no chance to be a NFL QB.

 

[JeffGollin]

I'm not suggesting that.

I'm not suggesting you're suggesting that - only making a general observation. (The suggestion has already begun to pop up on other Cardinal fan forums).

 

[Buckybird]

I'm not suggesting you're suggesting that - only making a general observation. (The suggestion has already begun to pop up on other Cardinal fan forums).

Doesn't it always Jeff? Most fans who see a season of no hope only hope to land that prized #1 pick to land a franchise star QB. That's basically the only way you get one

 

[Duckjake]

El Bridgo Crosso.

We don't know how Barkley will do. We don't know whether someone else will be higher rated than Barkley. We don't know how our guys will do. (We can guess, but we won't know). And we don't have to know until next Spring. So why rush the decision?

Because we don't make the decision there's nothing to rush. We're fans and this is what we do. You've been around this board long enough to know that the 2nd most popular thing to do after debating QBs is talk about the draft. Anytime of year.