Matt Barkley

[Bodha]

VY couldnt read a defense, in fact they dumbed it down for him. And he ran all the time. Geno is a pocket QB. He has the atheltic ability to move out of the pocket, but he is not a runner. Also, VY had one of the worst passing motions int he game, have you seen Genos? Its compact and quick for a big man...

I like Barkly, but his arm strength and ability to make all the throws is still a question mark with him. He is certainly a west coast style QB. Geno could play in multiple offenses including vertical and WC passing games.

Who said anything about running?

And VY was much better than your giving him credit for. Your just letting his terrible NFL career cloud your memory. He threw a few more picks, but he made many of the same throws as Geno. Just watching Smith, he reminds me of VY. Your acting like thats a negative. VY carried Texas over USC in the National title game.


Can Barkley make all the throws? 39 TDs, only 7 picks and near 70% completion rate says he can.

Drew Brees has a 'weak arm'.

 

[DemsMyBoys]

And Oakland? Why would they even think about a QB in the first round when they have Leinart?

Careful there.

I said something bad about Matty and was told to go soak my head. Twice. (It's still dry. )

 

[crisper57]

Interested in reading why you think Houston with Matt Schaub and T.J. "Beat the Bengals" Yates on the team would consider using a first round pick on a QB. Also the Jets with Sanchez and Tebow. Don't they have enough controversy at the position as it is?

And Oakland? Why would they even think about a QB in the first round when they have Leinart?

Does OAK have a first round pick this year or did they give that one away for Palmer too?

 

[52brandon]

Does OAK have a first round pick this year or did they give that one away for Palmer too?

I'm pretty sure they gave it for Palmer

 

[kerouac9]

Interested in reading why you think Houston with Matt Schaub and T.J. "Beat the Bengals" Yates on the team would consider using a first round pick on a QB. Also the Jets with Sanchez and Tebow. Don't they have enough controversy at the position as it is?

And Oakland? Why would they even think about a QB in the first round when they have Leinart?

Schaub is in a contract year and hasn't lead the Texans anywhere. He's 31 years old, and his last deal was 6 years, $48 million. I'm not sure that he signs a four-year, $40 million extension with $12 million or so guaranteed. Maybe he does, or maybe the Texans give him a big deal if they jump out to a hot start.

I don't think it's necessarily likely that Houston drafts a quarterback in the first round, I just say that it's a possibility.

The Jets are only committed to Sanchez for one more year after this one. If they finish 8-8 or 7-9 and they could trade up to get Barkley from the Jags in exchange for the 9th overall pick and Tim Tebow? I think they might be all over that deal. I don't think it's likely--I think that Sanchez shows himself to be a capable quarterback this year--but I think that it's possible.

The Raiders do have their 2013 first-round pick. That second pick was conditional on the Raiders making the playoffs. Carson Palmer is due $28 million in salary over 2013 and 2014. They might have the skill position players outside of quarterback to actually make a little run.

 

[juza76]

I'm pretty sure they gave it for Palmer

was a first round in this year draft ..next year is a second round pick

 

[52brandon]

was a first round in this year draft ..next year is a second round pick

oh OK. Dunno why I thought it was 2 firsts

 

[Phrazbit]

I'd be stunned if Oakland didnt take a QB in the 1st. They have all these speed receivers and their QB has probably the weakest arm in the league.

If Chicago has a bad year I think they'd be added onto the list of teams who will be looking QB.

I think Arizona, Oakland, Buffalo and the Jets are all very likely to be in the QB market. After that there is a long list of teams who could hop in there if their seasons go sour.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I wouldn't rule out Pittsburgh looking at a QB either. Ben is a beat up 31 years old. If I had to rank the teams related to drafting a QB it would be:
1-Arizona
2-Buffalo
3-KC
4-Oakland
5-Pittsburgh
6-Houston

another team to keep an eye on is St.Louis. Fisher didn't draft Bradford and if he doesn't produce this year, they may move on.

 

[52brandon]

I wouldn't rule out Pittsburgh looking at a QB either. Ben is a beat up 31 years old. If I had to rank the teams related to drafting a QB it would be:
1-Arizona
2-Buffalo
3-KC
4-Oakland
5-Pittsburgh
6-Houston

another team to keep an eye on is St.Louis. Fisher didn't draft Bradford and if he doesn't produce this year, they may move on.

it's sad to know that we have the worst QB situation in the NFL

As far as STL, considering they will have 2 1st round picks in each of the next 2 years, they have plenty of room to improve around Bradford who I think is a QB you can build a team around. But you never know

OAK has a franchise QB on the sidelines in Leinart. Just ask THESMEL... lol, OK, I couldn't keep a straight face

BUF, I like Fitzpatrick. I think he has the talent to lead the team if they build around him. But just like STL, you never know how the FO will react if they have another losing season

PIT, I don't see them taking a QB in the 1st. Dunno why exactly, but it doesn't fit IMO

HOU, Schaub is good. But I believe he is in a contract year, and if they have a losing record, I could see them going for a QB

KC, I don't see them impressing anybody this year. I'd say them and Cleveland may be more desperate for a QB next year. I think the Cards have a good enough team that we likely wont draft in front of either of them unfortunately

 

[Russ Smith]

I'd be stunned if Oakland didnt take a QB in the 1st. They have all these speed receivers and their QB has probably the weakest arm in the league.

If Chicago has a bad year I think they'd be added onto the list of teams who will be looking QB.

I think Arizona, Oakland, Buffalo and the Jets are all very likely to be in the QB market. After that there is a long list of teams who could hop in there if their seasons go sour.

Palmer doesn't even have the weakest arm on his own team. Hell his left arm is probably as strong as Matt right now. Carson doesn't have the great arm he had when he came into the NFL.

 

[kerouac9]

I wouldn't rule out Pittsburgh looking at a QB either. Ben is a beat up 31 years old. If I had to rank the teams related to drafting a QB it would be:
1-Arizona
2-Buffalo
3-KC
4-Oakland
5-Pittsburgh
6-Houston

another team to keep an eye on is St.Louis. Fisher didn't draft Bradford and if he doesn't produce this year, they may move on.

A first-round pick? 31 is the middle of the prime of a 21st century QB, and Ben has three years on his contract after this one. I don't expect Pittsburgh to bottom out the way that the occasionally did under Cowher this season, and if they don't do that, it's difficult to see them not looking in the secondary, running back, or offensive line again in the middle to late first round.

 

[Pariah]

I wouldn't rule out Pittsburgh looking at a QB either. Ben is a beat up 31 years old. If I had to rank the teams related to drafting a QB it would be:
1-Arizona
2-Buffalo
3-KC
4-Oakland
5-Pittsburgh
6-Houston

another team to keep an eye on is St.Louis. Fisher didn't draft Bradford and if he doesn't produce this year, they may move on.

I think you're off the mark on Pittsburgh and Houston (even if Houston is in the market for a QB, it'll be in the middle rounds--I really doubt they go QB in the first).

Buffalo could go either way, but I believe in Fitzpatrick as a legit starter. He'll never be a star, but he's good enough to stick around for a while.

KC and Oakland should be looking for another signal caller, though. They could be serious contenders for moving up (or just picking ahead of us naturally).

I think Arizona could pull out all the stops to get a QB next year, They know that Larry's window is closing, and that it'll take a couple of years for even the most polished of college QBs to get their NFL legs under them.

 

[Bodha]

Possible QB hunting teams:

Seattle - Who knows what they are thinking. If Russ Wilson donest workout, do they go back to Flynn, or would they go after the next big talent if he were avilable?

49ers - Last year wouldve been Smiths final try had he failed again. That being said, if they come up short this year, I think theyll be quick to boot him if they have a good option. Dont think theyll be anywhere near the lotto picks, but they are a potential QB option team.

Raiders - They need a QB bad, but I dont know how much more USC QB they can stomach.

Chiefs - The Chiefs are a QB away from contendership and they know it. Awesome defense. Awesome supporting cast offense and running game. They are the #1, prime overall target for Matt Barkley (or whoever the #1 QB taken is).

Chargers- Rivers played HORRIBLE last year, and he isnt getting any younger. What if he goes down this year? They have no backup. Very real possibility for a major QB hunter.

Broncos - Say Peyton goes down. Whos the backup? Osweiler? #1 pick contender if that happens. OF course theyll draft a QB, Manning isnt long term. Hes a win-now effort.

Vikings - Ponders time is just about expired. Jared Allen ant getting any younger. Peterson aint getting any healthier. They are near win-now mode.

Dolphins - Tannehill aint the answer. If Barkleys there, hes going.

Jags - Really hard to say. Good D. MJD is a huge offensive weapon. Gabbs looked good in preseason. New owner is probably looking for a massive overhaul, so dont be surpised if he makes HUGE moves in the draft (moves up for #1 overall pick).

Browns - They missed out on RG3, so dont expect them to drop the ball twice. QB guaranteed, if Wheedon sucks.

J-E-T-S - Cant believe they are still pretending like Sanchez is worth a penny. Awful. This may also be Rex' last go, and theyll clean house if they suck this year.

And of course yours truly AZ Cardinals



So, the top 10 QB needy teams in the 2012 draft:

1. Cardinals
2. Chiefs
3. Vikings
4. Dolphins
5. Jags
6. Browns
7. Raiders
8. Jets
9. Broncos
10. Chargers

1-Arizona - agreed
2-Buffalo - They just locked up Fitz last year for Kolb $$$. Hes a good QB too, btw.
3-KC - agreed
4-Oakland - agreed
5-Pittsburgh - HEEEEEE no. That D is old as dirt. Ben is solid. Maybe a lte, late rounder QB.
6-Houston - Schaub is great. draft a WR Guaran-friggin-teed. AJ is alone and he gets triple teamed.

.

 

[kerouac9]

Bodha, you always have an interesting perspective, but you couldn't be more wrong about Rivers and the Chargers. He won't be 31 until December, and while he threw 20 INTs last year (with a really struggling supporting cast and awful offensive line and no support from the running game), he still managed 7.9 YPA and nearly 300 yards a game.

They could get out from under his contract next year (he's due $12 million in salary, but would only count $4.1 million if they cut him), but if they wanted to dump him, I'd gleefully trade them our #1 and #3 picks for him. It would be one of the dumbest decisions in the history of football.

It's hilarious to me that you think that a bunch of teams are going to turn the page on Top 10 QB picks after a year and sometimes less.

 

[Bodha]

Bodha, you always have an interesting perspective, but you couldn't be more wrong about Rivers and the Chargers. He won't be 31 until December, and while he threw 20 INTs last year (with a really struggling supporting cast and awful offensive line and no support from the running game), he still managed 7.9 YPA and nearly 300 yards a game.

Whats age have to do with it when you throw 20 picks? Losing is losing, and owners and fans dont care who you used to be, or what the excuse is for your struggles. As a Cardinals fan, I can say that Kolb would be the best QB in the NFCW if he had a good Oline, but that simply isnt true. Same goes for Rivers. He made some of the most bone head, Favre-like throws last year, regardless of his supporting cast.

If they have the opportunity to dump him, and pick up the future of their franchise, you dont think they would?

-That scenario remind you of anyone? Say the Colts with Luck/Peyton Manning, the 4 time MVP. And remember that PM wasnt coming off an abysmal year. Hes a heck of alot better than Rivers, and the Colts didnt hesitate on pulling the trigger on that move.

It's hilarious to me that you think that a bunch of teams are going to turn the page on Top 10 QB picks after a year and sometimes less.

What teams are these 'bunch'.

The only ones you can be referring to are:

Browns - If they have a top 3 pick, you think theyll stick with Wheedon? The Browns fans would riot.

Dolphins - Tannehill lokked like a moron on Hard Knocks. And hes struggled in preseason. If they had a shot at Barkley, you dont think theyd take him?

Vikings - If Ponder sucks this year, thats it. Why wouldnt they move on? Hell only have 2 year left on his contract anyways. And keep in mind that we're talking about top 1 or 2 QBs available. Not the 4th one taken like Pnder was. * The 5ht QB taken was Andy Dalton, you dont think the Vikings are pissed about that.

Jets - Given the media attention the Jets and Sanchez gets, this is a no brainer that this is Sanchez' last chance. Period.

Jags - This one is another clear no brainer. That new owner is a no nonsense guy. You saw how he handled the MJD situation. Very smooth. I think hes looking to rebuild that team, floor up. I bet you, just like the Skins did with RG3, the Jacksonville Jaguars will make the most noise in the 2013 draft. That is IF Gabbert fails, but he looked good in preseason. So its still an IF.

 

[kerouac9]

Whats age have to do with it when you throw 20 picks? Losing is losing, and owners and fans dont care who you used to be, or what the excuse is for your struggles. As a Cardinals fan, I can say that Kolb would be the best QB in the NFCW if he had a good Oline, but that simply isnt true. Same goes for Rivers. He made some of the most bone head, Favre-like throws last year, regardless of his supporting cast.

If they have the opportunity to dump him, and pick up the future of their franchise, you dont think they would?

-That scenario remind you of anyone? Say the Colts with Luck/Peyton Manning, the 3 time MVP.

Manning was dumped because the Colts had to give him like a $40 million roster bonus if he was on the roster on the first day of February (those numbers aren't correct, but they're in the ballpark). There was no doubt that Manning could still play if he were healthy, but there was doubt whether he could be healthy.

As for Rivers, you said "not getting any younger," but for a pocket passer like him, 31 is not particularly old.

For all your bellyaching, the Chargers went 8-8 and finished one game back in the division last year. I think that Rivers had a lower-body injury almost all last year; he's just a tough guy. Unless Rivers gets injured, there's no chance they're drafting in the Top 5. I fully expect them to win the AFC West. Rivers is the present and the future of that franchise. Despite those 20 INTs and Ryan Matthews being a huge disappointment, San Diego still outscored their opponents by 29 points.

What teams are these 'bunch'.

The only ones you can be referring to are:

Browns - If they have a top 3 pick, you think theyll stick with Wheedon? The Browns fans would riot.

Dolphins - Tannehill lokked like a moron on Hard Knocks. And hes struggled in preseason. If they had a shot at Barkley, you dont think theyd take him?

Vikings - If Ponder sucks this year, thats it. Why wouldnt they move on? Hell only have 1 year left on his contract anyways, its not like they drafted him yesterday.

Jets - Given the media attention the Jets and Sanchez gets, this is a no brainer that this is Sanchez' last chance. Period.

Jags - This one is another clear no brainer. That new owner is a no nonsense guy. You saw how he handled the MJD situation. Very smooth. I think hes looking to rebuild that team, floor up. I bet you, just like the Skins did with RG3, the Jacksonville Jaguars will make the most noise in the 2013 draft. That is IF Gabbert fails, but he looked good in preseason. So its still an IF.

I've already said that I could imagine New York drafting a QB in the first round. I could also imagine that the Jags would turn the page on Blaine Gabbert if he doesn't make a quantum leap in his second season.

I think that Ponder is all right. Yes, the Vikes went 2-8 in Ponder's starts, but five of those eight losses were by a TD or less, and the offense scored 20 points or more in 8 of his 10 starts. He threw 13 TDs and 13 INTs. Unless Ponder completely melts down and looks like John Skelton, they'll go with him for 2013, yeah.

I thought Tannehill looked okay on Hard Knocks. If they were worried they made a poor choice, the Dolphins wouldn't've named him the starter. They knew that he would struggle this year. He has no weapons outside of Reggie Bush. There's no chance they turn the page on him after 16 games.

I feel kind of the same way about Weeden. If he throws for 16 TDs and 14 INTs throwing the Greg Little and a bunch of guys who wouldn't make our practice squad, I don't think you can give up on him.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I don't think Pittsburgh will draft a QB to start next year. But they could let a guy sit and learn their system for a couple years like GB did with Rodgers. Ben may be 31 but he has taken a beating and already is playing this year with a rotator cuff tear. Pitts is not a team that usually relies on rookies to start their first year anyway. Actually their OL will be on the younger side next year with Adams, Pouncey, Gilbert, Colon/Foster, and DeCastro. Colon will be the oldest at 29. Adams, Pouncey, DeCastro and Gilbert will all be 25 or younger.

They are getting older on defense though and could easily draft on that side of the ball. Of course, nowhere did I say Pitt was definitley taking a QB. I merely suggested that it would not be a surprising move if they did and they do need to start looking at BR's replacement.

 

[kerouac9]

I don't think Pittsburgh will draft a QB to start next year. But they could let a guy sit and learn their system for a couple years like GB did with Rodgers. Ben may be 31 but he has taken a beating and already is playing this year with a rotator cuff tear. Pitts is not a team that usually relies on rookies to start their first year anyway. Actually their OL will be on the younger side next year with Adams, Pouncey, Gilbert, Colon/Foster, and DeCastro. Colon will be the oldest at 29. Adams, Pouncey, DeCastro and Gilbert will all be 25 or younger.

They are getting older on defense though and could easily draft on that side of the ball. Of course, nowhere did I say Pitt was definitley taking a QB. I merely suggested that it would not be a surprising move if they did and they do need to start looking at BR's replacement.

Mmm... I guess I could imagine it, but I have a difficult time doing so. Mainly because I don't think you get very far drafting a QB in the 18-27 range where they'll likely have their pick.

You'll like this--10 years of QBs chosen between 15 and 32 overall:

Tim Tebow (25th, 2010), Josh Freeman (17th, 2009), Joe Flacco (18th, 2008), Brady Quinn (22nd, 2007), Aaron Rodgers (24th, 2005), Jason Campbell (25th, 2005), J.P. Losman (22nd, 2004), Kyle Boller (19th, 2003), Rex Grossman (22nd, 2003), Patrick Ramsey (32nd, 2002).

A couple of good guys, a couple of journeymen, but it's not a very inspiring list. A team is better off bottoming out for a year and taking a QB high than attempting to settle for a lesser prospect.

Yes, if Landry Jones falls to Pittsburgh in the 20th pick, they'll maybe take him, but I don't think they'd trade up for a QB, because they usually use those mid-round picks for contributors.

 

[Phrazbit]

I dont know how I blanked on the Browns. Serious odds they end up on the QB market. Holmgren loves QBs and I fully expect Weeden to be hot garbage, and at 28 its not as though they can sit back and hope he slowly develops.

Weeden in the 1st had to be the funniest moment in the draft to me, I cant believe more people were not surprised by it. A 28 year old system QB going in the 1st round. Hilarious. Just based on his age alone he shouldnt have been worth better than a late 3rd.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I dont know how I blanked on the Browns. Serious odds they end up on the QB market. Holmgren loves QBs and I fully expect Weeden to be hot garbage, and at 28 its not as though they can sit back and hope he slowly develops.

Weeden in the 1st had to be the funniest moment in the draft to me, I cant believe more people were not surprised by it. A 28 year old system QB going in the 1st round. Hilarious. Just based on his age alone he shouldnt have been worth better than a late 3rd.

the rumblings around here about Cleveland are that it's only a matter of time until Holmgrem is gone. Once the new owner gets settled in and puts his own management team in place, Holmgrem will be asked, or ask, to leave because he won't be calling the shots.

In fact, they have suggested that if/when Petey fails this year, Holmgrem could end up back in Seattle. I don't necessarily believe this, but the local radio guys are also speculating that Carrol is trying to buy himself more time by going with the rookie QB.

 

[Mulli]

the rumblings around here about Cleveland are that it's only a matter of time until Holmgrem is gone. Once the new owner gets settled in and puts his own management team in place, Holmgrem will be asked, or ask, to leave because he won't be calling the shots.

In fact, they have suggested that if/when Petey fails this year, Holmgrem could end up back in Seattle. I don't necessarily believe this, but the local radio guys are also speculating that Carrol is trying to buy himself more time by going with the rookie QB.

Whoa, breaking news.

NOT.

 

[crisper57]

Right now against Syracuse he has 152 yards passing. 112 of those yards came after the catch.

 

[joeshmo]

Ouch. Didnt look good last night.

We'll see. I have seen hm have great games and some pretty bad ones. He has all the physical tools but not sure he has the mental makeup to read and understand defenses.

I agree. I loved the kid last year, but that was with the thought that he was going to make improvements this year. So far in two games straight now he just has not shown the improvements he needed to make. So far the kid needs to stay another year in school. It looks like he did not make a better understanding of defensive schemes and a better accuracy a priority this offseason. He has such a huge arm combined with really good touch, and he knows it. But because he knows it, he looks really lazy in his footwork and mechanics, like he doesn't think he needs it because of his physical tools. What he doesn't get though is that it is a major reason for his accuracy issues. An issue that a coach with an ego and they all have an ego think they can coach out of him, thus he will still be a high pick when he shouldn't be this year, at least so far.

 

[Bodha]

Barks currently 22/29 183 yards with 5 TDs and 1 pick.


Hes gonna set the TD record this season. Woods and Lee might be the beastliest WR combo ive ever seen.



Hes running away with the #1 pick, these other QBs are floundering - Tyler Wilson is currently 4/10 with 1 TD, 1 pick.