Can somebody please give me a credible reason why this guy is/should/could be a franchise quarterback. I know Arron Rodgers sat on the bench a few years but what is all the love for this guy?
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Crickets, for good reason: there is no credible argument for him.
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He is not a franchise QB. In QB needy world of the NFL, everything that glitters is gold. So the clamor/.
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If he was any good why did McCarron never start over Andy Dalton? One can come to conclusion he is not a franchise QB, no?
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I don't think "franchise quarterback" is necessarily the mindset, but that he's a solid guy that won't lose you games. He's performed well in preseason and in limited starts.
For a team looking for someone to compete at the position and steer the ship around the run game and the defense (which we are), he shouldn't totally break the bank compared to some of the other options. Now, the Browns were willing to give up a lot, but Hue Jackson did coach him for multiple years, so he must see something in the guy that made him believe he could be a strong starter.
I'm holding out hope that the price is right, but he's one of the guys I like. He doesn't have the injury question marks of Bradford & Bridgewater, won't come as expensive as Keenum, and won't cost us anything but the money we pay him. This is a perfect environment for him to come in and compete with a rookie that isn't a top 5 pick for the starting job, while still giving us the flexibility to move on from him or the rookie if one of them blows our socks off.
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Dalton has the trust of the coaching staff there, for better or worse. Dalton's never put together such an atrocious stretch that it would be worth dividing the locker room to put him on the bench and give AJ a try.
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He would be a perfect QB to bring in a hold the fort while grooming a more talented rookie. Unfortunately, he will sign for at least 15M per year. Double what he is worth.
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Are we really going to get a QB at less than that? The only starting QB making less than that in salary this year are guys still slotted into their rookie deals.
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Trust. That tells they don't trust McCarron, no?
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He is the perfect qb to start the preseason games and then being replaced by a rookie from week 1
In other terms, he has great chance to suck
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I ll take Kessler as back up qb
Then chase daniel and draft a qb in the first
Then chase daniel and draft a qb in the first
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Teams don't just yank their established starter of 7 years because a guy looks good in practice. It takes a lot more than that, and can totally screw with your locker room chemistry.
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I wouldn't sign a QB for more than back up money unless I was confident he can succeed as a starter. Throwing 15M at AJM would just be tying up cap space that could be used on players that contribute to winning games. It would be similar to Bears signing Glennon last year.
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This is a true statement. Any QB (not on rookie deal) getting paid less than $20 million a year is a transition QB (aka place holder)
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So we should get the rook also.
I'm not for shelling out 3-4 years for mediocrity. Maybe a two year prove it deal with the understanding there will be an understudy or two.
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I am no fan of McCarron and don't think any team should give him more than a 2 year "prove it" deal but reality is he is going to get paid in the TEENS from someone. People will pay for the potential. Days of getting a potential starting QB for a bargain outside of the draft are long gone.
If you expect to go cheap at the position you get a Drew Stanton as your starting QB.
If you expect to go cheap at the position you get a Drew Stanton as your starting QB.
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Well, we’d be signing him with the implication that he’s going to compete to be the starter, and be a bridge for a possible draft pick. He would hopefully start more games than Glennon. I mean, we need SOMEONE, and you’re looking at at least spending that money on any guy not named McCown.
I agree - I would flat out tell McCarron that he’s being brought in presumably as the starter, and will have first stab at it, but he needs to accept that this time might also draft a first or second round QB.So we should get the rook also.
I'm not for shelling out 3-4 years for mediocrity. Maybe a two year prove it deal with the understanding there will be an understudy or two.
Honestly, short of signing Cousins, we’re saying that to every guy we are potentially acquiring.
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It's like this, after the Niners gave Jimmy G that huge contract, they acted for all the teams in driving up the salary for the position. No QB with the perception of starting is going to be acquired for peanuts, so thank you San Francisco for being dense. Now, if AJ did get an extended chance to play and his ability to be a franchise QB was more defined like Foles, the price would really be ridiculous. You basically want to sign a vet who can manage a game with some experience in the league, hold the fort for a young draftee, with the slight possibility of finding a vet who can be another Foles or Keenum when given the chance before his stock inflates. No team is going to release a QB which is a slam dunk star, you have to take a chance with the mindset that he probably will not and your draft pick is the guy you are counting on, which is also a gamble but at least you have more options to roll the dice on your terms. Mitch mentioned Detroit's Jake Rudock, another guy which might be the next lighting in the bottle if given the chance that will not hijack your salary cap... that's what a franchise should be looking for
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We've had this discussion before and that's because Dalton is a better QB than you give him credit for. Once again, here are his career stats:
63-42-2 record
2217 of 3556(62.3%) for 25,534 yards 167 TD's and 93 INT's and he's significantly cut down on his INT's the past few seasons.
We would kill to have a QB with these numbers on this team.
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I think Palmer was better and do not even have to think twice
It doesn't matter anyways. He will sign in Cleveland, who is in love with him and they will trade out of the #1 pick. That means Cousins will end up a Viking. The better question is, do we try and get the #1 pick and have our pick of the best QB?
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Palmer is retired and we currently do not have a QB. However, Dalton's bad reputation is not warranted. Put his numbers against most anyone and he's a top 10 QB at worst. If he can win a playoff game(like a certain someone we know), he'd be held in higher regard but I would take him as my QB every day of the week and 3 times on Sunday. I mean, my God, does anyone honestly believe he's worse than:
Case Keenum
Sam Bradford
Kirk Cousins
Josh McCown
And any of the others bandied about coming here? I mean, last season was arguably Dalton's worse season and he was head and shoulders above any of the stiffs we ran out last season including Palmer.
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Agreed and Agreed on Dalton. How does this validate AJ McCarron?
