McGrady and the Knicks

[Covert Rain]

I love this guy. I'm pretty cynical myself but I think you beat me Daren.

It's probably the opposite. To be cynical would be to doubt human nature. In this case I believe in the human nature of these players love for money will kick in and they will stay put for that extra 30 million.

Although, I admit I would love to see big name players change zip codes more often....in favor of the Suns that is.

 

[Sunburn]

It's probably the opposite. To be cynical would be to doubt human nature. In this case I believe in the human nature of these players love for money will kick in and they will stay put for that extra 30 million.

Although, I admit I would love to see big name players change zip codes more often....in favor of the Suns that is.

Haha ok I'll call you a realist then

 

[Cheesebeef]

First off there really is only the big 2. The rest are a step below IMO. All of the others won't make the same impact that LeBron or Wade could. Even if they manage to get one......I still don't think it will be enough because of D'Antoni's style.

Second, I just don't see LeBron or Wade leaving 30 million dollars on the table by leaving. Even if you get LeBron or Wade to do a sign and trade, the Knicks have dumped all the kinds of contracts needed to make it work. Meaning they would probably need other teams involved which is never easy.

no they don't. because of their cap room, the Knicks could just absorb Bron or Wade's traded deals and not have to send the same amount of contracts back, just like when we made the great Kurt Thomas and 2 First round picks for Nothing trade... good god. Our best low post defender and 2 first round picks... in what looked like could be our last year of a title run... for NOTHING. I think it was that trade that officially made me check out as a Suns fan.

 

[mjb21aztd]

good first game for mcgrady almost won just had nothing left in the tank, if the knicks can get a solid fa to go next to tmac next year they could be scary in the east

 

[Covert Rain]

no they don't. because of their cap room, the Knicks could just absorb Bron or Wade's traded deals and not have to send the same amount of contracts back, just like when we made the great Kurt Thomas and 2 First round picks for Nothing trade... good god. Our best low post defender and 2 first round picks... in what looked like could be our last year of a title run... for NOTHING. I think it was that trade that officially made me check out as a Suns fan.

I don't remember the particulars of that trade anymore but I thought the only reason that trade worked was because Seattle sent back a trade exception valued at 8 million dollars. You must send something back I thought. You can't trade something for nothing.

 

[elindholm]

I don't remember the particulars of that trade anymore but I thought the only reason that trade worked was because Seattle sent back a trade exception valued at 8 million dollars. You must send something back I thought. You can't trade something for nothing.

Seattle sent a second-round pick, probably.

A trade exception isn't something that can be traded. It is generated automatically when salaries in a trade do not balance.

 

[AzStevenCal]

no they don't. because of their cap room, the Knicks could just absorb Bron or Wade's traded deals and not have to send the same amount of contracts back, just like when we made the great Kurt Thomas and 2 First round picks for Nothing trade... good god. Our best low post defender and 2 first round picks... in what looked like could be our last year of a title run... for NOTHING. I think it was that trade that officially made me check out as a Suns fan.

Oklahoma City owes us a lot. Not only did we give them two picks but they turned around and traded him to our playoff nemesis for another pick. I'd challenge anybody to name another NBA trade that was so obviously stupid (at the time, not in hindsight). And, IMO, DJ for Rick Robey doesn't even come close.

Steve

 

[devilalum]

Oklahoma City owes us a lot. Not only did we give them two picks but they turned around and traded him to our playoff nemesis for another pick. I'd challenge anybody to name another NBA trade that was so obviously stupid (at the time, not in hindsight). And, IMO, DJ for Rick Robey doesn't even come close.

Steve

DJ and a #1 for Robey.

Helped the Celtics win several titles.

 

[Covert Rain]

Seattle sent a second-round pick, probably.

A trade exception isn't something that can be traded. It is generated automatically when salaries in a trade do not balance.

That's right. So, basically the Cav's would get a trade exemption equal to the salary they traded away. Ahhh crazy NBA salary rules.

 

[AzStevenCal]

DJ and a #1 for Robey.

Helped the Celtics win several titles.

Well, I didn't say it wasn't a horrible deal, just not in the Kurt Thomas class. We got worked over but DJ was unhappy, we clearly needed a big guy and Red had the NBA world convinced that Robey and Mchale were the same guy. I remember a lot of positive comments when that trade first occurred although it didn't take long to realize that Kevin was a much better player than Rick.

It was a really bad trade but unlike the Kurt Thomas trade it was understandable at the time IMO.

Steve

 

[Cheesebeef]

I don't remember the particulars of that trade anymore but I thought the only reason that trade worked was because Seattle sent back a trade exception valued at 8 million dollars. You must send something back I thought. You can't trade something for nothing.

yeah, they sent back a 2nd round pick, same that the Knicks can. If you've got cap space you CAN absorb a contract without sending contracts back and the Knicks have put themselves in a position to do whatever they want... if someone wants to sign with them.

 

[elindholm]

If you've got cap space you CAN absorb a contract without sending contracts back and the Knicks have put themselves in a position to do whatever they want... if someone wants to sign with them.

Yes, except a player's current team won't play the S&T game unless there's something in it for them. The Cavs aren't going to help James get a bigger contract from New York just for a draft pick.

If I remember correctly, the last time a big name was S&T'ed to a team with plenty of cap space was when Kenyon Martin went from the Nets to the Nuggets. The Nuggets returned three first-round picks in order to entice the Nets to go along.

 

[Covert Rain]

Yes, except a player's current team won't play the S&T game unless there's something in it for them. The Cavs aren't going to help James get a bigger contract from New York just for a draft pick.

If I remember correctly, the last time a big name was S&T'ed to a team with plenty of cap space was when Kenyon Martin went from the Nets to the Nuggets. The Nuggets returned three first-round picks in order to entice the Nets to go along.

That is my thinking as well. It makes no sense because there is nothing in it for the Cavs. I believe you could involve a 3rd team in a sign and trade but as stated already there still has to be incentive for all teams involved.

I just don't think a S&T is likely in this scenario.

 

[Ronin]

Second game:
29 min 5-14 fgs 15 points left game early because of knee problems.

May not play tonight against the Celtics(knee).

No Gracias!

 

[Cheesebeef]

That is my thinking as well. It makes no sense because there is nothing in it for the Cavs. I believe you could involve a 3rd team in a sign and trade but as stated already there still has to be incentive for all teams involved.

I just don't think a S&T is likely in this scenario.

never said it was likely, just possible. and the Knicks could send back the same type of package that Detroit got when Grant Hill bolted from then. David Lee with a nice contract, a couple picks, which doesn't look like much but looks a lot like the steaming pile of garbage Detroit got back then which ended being the start of their championship build with Ben Wallace, a complete journeyman unknown at the time as the "centerpiece". Hill WAS the Detroit franchise back then and really is the last franchise player I can remember switching teams in his prime and it was a sign and trade to a team wayyyyyyy under the cap.

just saying, it's not out of the realm of possibilites.

 

[TBaslim]

I'll actually be surprised if Lebron leaves Cleveland for NY, regardless of how much ESPN slobbers themselves over the possibility.

I mean, he's got it pretty good on the CAVS right now. He's a Cleveland guy to his core (grew up there, friends, family, comfort, etc) - it's home. They can pay him more over the rest of his career. He has already eclipsed the 'small market' advertising curse by becoming a huge international sports figure. Yeah, he might make some more on his endorsements in NY vs CLE, but is that worth the trade off? The CAVS have spent years building around his strengths and weaknesses - just like Jordan on the Bulls. He would have to start over in NY. Regardless of how good he is, building a true contender takes time - at least a few seasons.

Finally, I read somewhere he wants to be the first NBA billionaire and is friends with Warren Buffett. And Warren could tell him that you don't have to be in NY to be rich and famous.

I think he ends up like Tim Duncan and retires with the team that drafted him. I actually would be good with that. The whole east-coast dominated "if it ain't in NY or Boston it don't exist" thing gets old.

DWade, on the other hand, I think would be willing to go to Chicago, given how badly Miami rebuilt around him after the Shaq seasons. However, I don't know if he and Derrick Rose can share the ball enough.

I think NY lands one or two of Bosh/Amare/JJ with an outside shot at DWade.

 

[SactownSunsFan]

Agreed TBaslim. With talk of extending Amare, I think that leaves Bosh and JJ as the two most likely guys to end up in NY.

 

[95pro]

Tmac's knee is sore. the guy needs to put this season to bed.

trim down, reduce the weight on those knees tmac!

come back next year healthy.