Metta World Peace Assaults Harden (ugly vid)

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How could you bump into someone, twist your body, slam your elbow as hard as you can into their skull and then "not know" you did it? Ron might have wanted to pretend he didnt know what happened and he is certainly stupid enough to think it might work, but he knew exactly what he did.
 

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How could you bump into someone, twist your body, slam your elbow as hard as you can into their skull and then "not know" you did it? Ron might have wanted to pretend he didnt know what happened and he is certainly stupid enough to think it might work, but he knew exactly what he did.

Agreed. His reaction shows that it wasn't accidental. When someone accidentally hits someone, their natural reaction is to turn back and check on the person. But Ron just kept going.

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some people never learn. last year in the playoffs he tried something of the same sorts on JJ Barea. Around the point in time when he thought well I can't stop this guy on the court..I'll just try to hurt him. and then he got suspended. In my opinion this guy should be suspended for the playoffs or at least a long period of time. He just doesn't get it. I don't think he ever will...especially playing on that team where they basically don't care(based on what I saw from them in the playoffs last year).

He's done so many bad things and has been punished very hard and still doesn't stop.
 

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I have no idea why Harden would even go near Ron during a beating the chest moment. Stupid move. Ron was way out of line and will deserve however many games he gets plus some, but WTF was Harden's beard telling him to make him go body up a celebrating crazy man like Metta Ron?
that's the wrong approach. If he is this bad he shouldn't be in the league and the lakers as a class organization should drop this guy. but we all know the lakers current roster is not a class type one. barnes, artest, bynum, and kobe are all guys with major character flaws. artest is just at a different level because he doesn't learn from his stupidity.
 
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yes, because when on a basketball court you always run towards a defender to get the inbounds pass.

I watched it live...Harden is an idiot. Not nearly as big of an idiotic douche as Ron, but he had several avenues to take to get to the inbounds pass and all but one of them put him in the path of the celebrating, chest pounding, known idiot and headcase Ron Artest. If it were Kendrick Perkins, I'd know why he was there, because that asshat is always trying to impede players motion on dead plays or post whistle...and if it were Kendrick Perkins, I'd be sending Ron a love note. But I actually like Harden and his beard (and his ASU days), and want the Thunder to win the title if the Lakers can't, so I can't even homerishily defend Ron, but Harden had no business getting near Artest.

That said, Ron gets five games and it will be a slap on the wrist...should get 20.
I don't like harden, but it is mostly because he looks ridiculous out there with that ******** beard and haircut. outside of that he is a good player and is key to their playoff success. he's a guy that will stick his nose in there and play physical. you can't call him an idiot for doing that. what is fair is to call your guy an idiot because he is not being physical he is being violent. he is the equivalent to the torres guy in hockey. that is what should be done to him because he has a problem and at this point has been given multiple opportunities to get it right, but he never learns. I think the NBA gets this one wrong if they don't suspend him for the remainder of the year.
 
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Other than the last quote, nothing I've said is in any way in conflict with the quotes there.


the last quote is bellyaching whining bs. Half of what happens on a court or field could be assault "on the streets." And I don't even think Ron KNEW he did it...his reaction shows as much. He's in shock when Ibaka wants to get tough until he's 10 feet away, then gets smart about it. (and aside, if Ibaka and Westbrook weren't smart, that was about to be Malice in the Palace 2.0...Ron was in defense mode, and waaaaaaay too close to fans). ******* ESPN reporter aside, I've said much of the same as the others. Brian K is saying exactly what I am with his "or someone"...of course he knew SOMEONE was there..and he swung on him..that right there is the death knell. You just don't do that.

You're still not able to grasp my point, Superbone, but that's ok. You are a Suns fan..I cut you some slack.

I think the "If that happened on the street" is a fine argument. If you or I pulled that with 20K people watching live, plus cameras, we'd be in some serious trouble. Of course it won't get treated like that in punishment but it's also not part of the game.

you're right, it could have gotten worse. I think some of the players didn't see the hit initially. Artest was ready to fight Ibaka:)
 

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Next year he will come back with a new name, Metta World War
 

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Next year he will come back with a new name, Metta World War
how about change his name to Ima Dumb A..

seriously though. what if this were the playoffs. He pulled this on jj barea last year. and then bynum did in the last game. If they would have injured JJ in those cheap mins the mavs might not have won a ring. you can't have these type of violent fouls in the playoffs. it's not right. if you suspend him for a few games your basically telling him that it is ok and he is left to do this to an opponenet's key player that they need more than the lakers need world peace's sorry a#@ (ala the robert horry hip check) this guy is a ticking time bomb.
 
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I'm a Lakers fan and not happy about this. Anytime something bad or bad press happens to a team... its hard not to get unbiased opinion about the matter from the organizations fan base as well as opposing fan bases. I'm sure we have some Laker fans in denial. But this is a really big issue. He deserves to be suspended, and likely into the playoffs. Its embarrassing.
 

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The play was bush league and any suspension Ron Ron gets will be much-deserved but you could see it coming. Harden has been getting quite mouthy this year and you could see some vets around the league beginning to get a little irked by it. I know some of the Suns were during his visits here.

Fact is every emerging superstar gets this type of treatment by the veteran enforcer at some point, it's part of the process in sports for whatever reason.
 
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The blow leveled by Metta World Peace on James Harden was as bad or worse than the blow Kermit Washington leveled on Rudy Tomjonavich which caused the need for facial reconstruction. The only difference was Metta World Peace missed James Harden's face.
 

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MaoTosiFanClub I agree with you to an extent...but in a totally different context.

I've seen dirk lose his teeth and stuff like that, but those were all on plays where he was driving hard to the hoop and accidental fouls etc. this was a totally different play. talking trash and playing physical does not warrant getting cheaply elbowed in the head and given a concussion under those circumstances. then combine artest's history...it's not like you can say that harden is remotely the bad guy here. If it were steve nash that elbowed him or someone with no history of violence I would say geez what did harden do to piss him off...although it still wouldn't be right. but that is not the case. this is who ron artest is. basketball is a competitive game. guys are going to be emotional, talk trash, and play physical. that does not mean it is ok to cross the line into being violent. this is the type of stuff that gets people injured or suspended. you don't want to see star players miss playoff games because ron artest got angry and went postal on someone. he needs to be out of the league hopefully soon. I've seen enough from that guy.
 
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The blow leveled by Metta World Peace on James Harden was as bad or worse than the blow Kermit Washington leveled on Rudy Tomjonavich which caused the need for facial reconstruction. The only difference was Metta World Peace missed James Harden's face.
exactly...ron artest is a big dude and could inflict that type of damage. did harden get a concussion? that's what I heard. I notice that he didn't play late in the game and that hurt the thunder's chances to win that game. I think that game was a bigger loss for the lakers than a win. I don't see the lakers going very far in the playoffs.
 
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:biglaugh:The slow motion version is the best, reminds me of that Waterboy scene where the announcers says "There's a lot of pain in those eyes...chilling." Artest is straight crazy, he didn't run somebody down and assault them, he was stomping on little man made buildings and ripping down power lines. Crazy beard ran right into it, I think he was just expecting Crazy World to knock him over and get the foul or something, but when Artest clowned him like that is was not a flop. Wild animals attack when least expected, giant mutated creatures discovered on little islands destroy towns, Crazy World will both as long as they let him on the court.

A lotta smart players will try and get to a spot (gaining position) when they see another teams player runniing in stride while not looking, Hornacek was good at it, Nash has done it early in his carreer, this unfortunately was not one of those times to be that smart player.
I think I am on to something here, same thought process, same tendencies, same arm swinging, I'm trying to find the one where he knocks his own kid across a mountain because the little one was crying.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e92a4ao6ZWA
 

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I have no idea why Harden would even go near Ron during a beating the chest moment. Stupid move. Ron was way out of line and will deserve however many games he gets plus some, but WTF was Harden's beard telling him to make him go body up a celebrating crazy man like Metta Ron?

If you watch closely I think Harden is actually watching for an inbounds pass moving to where he thinks will be open, I don't think he's really in any way concerned about Ron.

That was pretty blatant guy should be gone for the year and the playoffs IMHO.
 

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If you watch closely I think Harden is actually watching for an inbounds pass moving to where he thinks will be open, I don't think he's really in any way concerned about Ron.

That was pretty blatant guy should be gone for the year and the playoffs IMHO.


This... :thumbup:
 

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How could you bump into someone, twist your body, slam your elbow as hard as you can into their skull and then "not know" you did it? Ron might have wanted to pretend he didnt know what happened and he is certainly stupid enough to think it might work, but he knew exactly what he did.

Never mind the Laker fan. He's setting himself up for the inevitable "Stern is screwing us" posts when/if Stern actually hands MWP what he actually deserves.

I mean, for a Laker fan, you actually have to manufacture such outrage against the League, ya know? Feel his paaaaaiiiiinnnn.
 

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Never mind the Laker fan. He's setting himself up for the inevitable "Stern is screwing us" posts when/if Stern actually hands MWP what he actually deserves.

I mean, for a Laker fan, you actually have to manufacture such outrage against the League, ya know? Feel his paaaaaiiiiinnnn.

Whatever. Reading is fundamental.
 

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Whatever. Reading is fundamental.

Hey. Here's four people that disagree with you:



Skip to 2:35 where they start discussing intent.

When you "accidentally elbow" anyone, you stop and figure out who you just hit.

Not only did "Metta" continue on like nothing happened after the hit, he was ready to square off against Russell Westbrook when Westbrook confronted MWP. Yep. No intent showing there.

Oh, and your idol (I'm sure) Earvin Johnson also talks about the unnatural swing above the head and follow-through that MWP's elbow makes.
 

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Hey. Here's four people that disagree with you:



Skip to 2:35 where they start discussing intent.

When you "accidentally elbow" anyone, you stop and figure out who you just hit.

Not only did "Metta" continue on like nothing happened after the hit, he was ready to square off against Russell Westbrook when Westbrook confronted MWP. Yep. No intent showing there.

Oh, and your idol (I'm sure) Earvin Johnson also talks about the unnatural swing above the head and follow-through that MWP's elbow makes.

You don't get my point, still. But that's ok.

To recap my point, IMO, Metta didn't know wtf he was doing...not that he didn't maliciously throw an elbow and purposefully do it (who would even think that??), but that he was in some super crazy man zone, got bumped and did a get the ef off me move. The fact that he kept on running afterwards, IMO, shows his complete break with reality at that moment...he was incredibly amped up, didn't even realize what he did. When Westbrook and Ibaka were coming at him to fight, he looks genuinely taken aback with hardly any realization why he was being confronted. It's frighteningly bizarre.

If he were actually headhunting Harden as some of you say, he would have MUCH more likely stood over him after he knocked him down, not scampered off and throwing yet another chest pound afterwards, either.

What he did was not done with forethought, it was reactionary and in the heat of the moment - which doesn't excuse it in any way. The fact that he didn't know that he did it really lends to a break with reality, and frankly that should be what gets a massive suspension. He's dangerous. If it were a planned headhunting expedition, I'd have very little worry about it, and he should get only a couple of games - elbows are not considered fists in the NBA, and historic elbow suspensions are a game or two. Malone gave MANY more elbows that were worse than that. So did Shaq. But Metta Ron, at least in my opinion, had a brief, unexpected and incredibly violent snap with reality and that is downright frightening. He should get a very large suspension for that reason, and a lot of counseling before he steps back on the court.

Spin that how you want it, but Lakerfan or not, my way of looking at this is far more damaging than the "bad man threw an elbow" mentality of some others and Mike Breen. Ron Artest has mental issues, and right now we saw those issues unfold violently because a dude bumped him. And yes, Harden bumps guys after scores quite often...it's a Kendrick Perkins play that I notice Harden also does. Regardless, it doesn't make it right and it isn't Harden's fault, either.

There it is. Spin as you will.
 
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Folks, please avoid replying to Donald. He is mentally unstable and you should know better.

If you get a retort it is your fault for provoking a response. Any reply is not his fault and it is yours for bugging him.

(Sorry Donald, but this one was wide open). Like you and your stock advice man, but this defense is kind of crazy.
 

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Folks, please avoid replying to Donald. He is mentally unstable and you should know better.

If you get a retort it is your fault for provoking a response. Any reply is not his fault and it is yours for bugging him.

(Sorry Donald, but this one was wide open). Like you and your stock advice man, but this defense is kind of crazy.

:biglaugh:
 

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You don't get my point, still. But that's ok.

To recap my point, IMO, Metta didn't know wtf he was doing...not that he didn't maliciously throw an elbow and purposefully do it (who would even think that??), but that he was in some super crazy man zone, got bumped and did a get the ef off me move. The fact that he kept on running afterwards, IMO, shows his complete break with reality at that moment...he was incredibly amped up, didn't even realize what he did. When Westbrook and Ibaka were coming at him to fight, he looks genuinely taken aback with hardly any realization why he was being confronted. It's frighteningly bizarre.

If he were actually headhunting Harden as some of you say, he would have MUCH more likely stood over him after he knocked him down, not scampered off and throwing yet another chest pound afterwards, either.

What he did was not done with forethought, it was reactionary and in the heat of the moment - which doesn't excuse it in any way. The fact that he didn't know that he did it really lends to a break with reality, and frankly that should be what gets a massive suspension. He's dangerous. If it were a planned headhunting expedition, I'd have very little worry about it, and he should get only a couple of games - elbows are not considered fists in the NBA, and historic elbow suspensions are a game or two. Malone gave MANY more elbows that were worse than that. So did Shaq. But Metta Ron, at least in my opinion, had a brief, unexpected and incredibly violent snap with reality and that is downright frightening. He should get a very large suspension for that reason, and a lot of counseling before he steps back on the court.

Spin that how you want it, but Lakerfan or not, my way of looking at this is far more damaging than the "bad man threw an elbow" mentality of some others and Mike Breen. Ron Artest has mental issues, and right now we saw those issues unfold violently because a dude bumped him. And yes, Harden bumps guys after scores quite often...it's a Kendrick Perkins play that I notice Harden also does. Regardless, it doesn't make it right and it isn't Harden's fault, either.

There it is. Spin as you will.

I buy it. A few weeks back Grantland did a fantastic article about the recount of the 'Malice at the Palace' and this one line stuck out to me:

Breen: They were finally able to get [Artest] onto the other side of the court. He turned around and he had a look in his eyes like he was gone. He had completely lost it. That's what the look said to me, that he was in a bad place. His mind was somewhere else and he had that crazed look.

I'm not going to judge, because who knows what I would do in his situation, but it's clear that mentally Artest isn't wired like everyone else. When he goes off he is not acting like a rational human being, and that, as Donald says, is the scariest part of it all.

If you're interested in reading the rest of it: http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7612311/page/2/an-oral-history-malice-palace
 

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