Michael Floyd got drunk during house arrest...Busted again

[Brian in Mesa]

The AZ judge isn't going to play. He's going back to jail. If you think he's going to fall for the 'tea' excuse....you don't know AZ judges. They're the strictest in the USA.

Give me a freaking break.

Slap on the wrist, as usual.

 

[Bodha]

I have two really good friends that are alcoholics. They have both quit drinking at this point but weird how their minds worked or didn't when they were drinking one of them wasn't an everyday drunk he wouldn't touch anything for months at a time but when he would drink the only thing that stopped him was passing out. I've seen him throw away everything in his life that was good because of it.

My other buddy was a 5th of vodka a night guy trying to hide how much he was drinking only thing that stopped him was his wife threatened to leave with his kids. He quit drinking and replaced it with smoking, gambling and anti anxiety pills prescribed by a doctor that he now has stopped using that took a couple of years.

Both good guys when sober but neither one of them changed their lives till they got older and to watch the depths that they would sink to just to get a drunk was really shocking.

I'm not making excuses or having any sympathy for MF. I have seen this pattern of behavior and just hope for his sake he can get some help before he ends up killing someone.

I guess the one thing that is really dissaponting to me is how uninformed and calloused people can be about an addiction. Wouldn't have a problem if he knew how to stop but?

Nobody is arguing its not a sad situation that somebody suffers from. Just saying it doesnt count as a disease.

You can decide to stop drinking.

you cant decide to stop having parkinsons.

 

[cardncubfan]

Nobody is arguing its not a sad situation that somebody suffers from. Just saying it doesnt count as a disease.

You can decide to stop drinking.

you cant decide to stop having parkinsons.

This is simply not true with alcoholics & an ignorant statement. Please educate yourself.

 

[Bodha]

This is simply not true with alcoholics & an ignorant statement. Please educate yourself.

Nope. Could not be more firm on this.

I feel putting people who chose a lifestyle on level with people who woke up one day with Alzheimers is disrespectful.


Said it before and ill say it again, if you have to go to the grocery store to get it, then its not a disease, its a consequence.

 

[PDXChris]

Nope. Could not be more firm on this.

I feel putting people who chose a lifestyle on level with people who woke up one day with Alzheimers is disrespectful.


Said it before and ill say it again, if you have to go to the grocery store to get it, then its not a disease, its a consequence.

So you can stop being a AssClown then?

 

[TJ]

Nope. Could not be more firm on this.

I feel putting people who chose a lifestyle on level with people who woke up one day with Alzheimers is disrespectful.


Said it before and ill say it again, if you have to go to the grocery store to get it, then its not a disease, its a consequence.

I feel putting you in front of a computer and keyboard on level with people who are capable of even the slightest ability to reason is disrespectful.

 

[SoCal Cardfan]

If you have to go to the grocery store to get it, its not a disease. Its a consequence.

Cancer is a disease. Alzheimer's is a disease. ALS, and countless other things that people suffer that they didnt do a thing to acquire.

This is the most simplified logical explanation I've seen.


Hmmmm.... Do I want to head over to isle 4 for some Pancreatic cancer?

Isle five for Alzheimer's?

Or just head over to isle 8 and grab a case of vodka?

Disease??? pfffft!


If there was enough money in "treatment"... You could get millions of health "professionals"
to call a simple hang-nail a disease.

 

[Linderbee]

Wow, got off with a slap on the wrist.

Slap on the wrist would have hurt more than what he got.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

This may be a bit long but I think I have a pretty good perspective of disease vs. non-disease and I agree with Bodha on this(which is extremely rare).

Case 1: My brother was a model employee, never missed a day of work in 26 years for the same company. Great brother and had a wife and 2 kids. He'd drink on weekends and occasionally during the week but never had a single issue with the law, work, or family life. In 2000, he went to the hospital with breathing problems but all the tests came back negative and he was released in a couple days. From that point on, all he concentrated on was drinking. I don't know if he had a near death scare, or what, but all he did was want to drink. 3 years later, after numerous trips to rehabs, and performing great in the rehab process, only to get out and drink asap. He lost his job and marriage and was living alone. One day on my way to work, I stopped by to check on him and found him dead on his couch with BAC over .56.

Case 2: My mother was readying for a kidney transplant in the mid 80's. As part of the operation, she was given a blood transfusion. Well, it turns out it was a tainted blood sample and she contracted AIDS from it. After a debilitating battle, she passed away in 1991.

My conclusion: My mom had zero say in her matter and was given a death sentence while my brother had, and showed, the ability to be a productive person for over 40 years and control his drinking yet CHOSE to go down the path of total alcoholism.
To me, he turned to alcohol as a crutch and as a weakness. It wasn't a disease and he could have chose to live a sober life, or even a controlled life, but didn't. That's another reason why I don't buy the, "it's in your genes" argument either. Nobody in my family had alcoholism issues and why was he able to control that "gene" for the vast majority of his life? Plain and simple, it was a choice. At least that's my opinion. I'm not going to get on someone, or argue with someone, because they have a different view. I see it as a choice, and not a disease, and always will.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Now, let's get back to Cardinals talk and forget about Mike Floyd and all this kind of talk.

 

[Stout]

Now, let's get back to Cardinals talk and forget about Mike Floyd and all this kind of talk.

First, I'll check in and say I'm sorry for your losses, Cbus. That's a tough hand to be dealt, family-wise. Wish you hadn't had to go through it.

That said: No, hell no. You, Bodha, and SoCal have chosen the Rick Perry approach to science. The three of you don't care that all of the scientists in the field have labelled it as a disease, because each of your yeoman's understanding of it makes sense in your own non-professional, non-scientific minds. This is willful ignorance on the most profound level. Seriously, yinz have about as much credibility as Rick Perry does on climate control.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Warned Banky for attacking another poster and warned Stout for Politics in the Cards forum. Please keep it civil guys

 

[Azlen]

Has anyone seen any of the hoarding shows? How would you label the people who are hoarders? Most of the stuff is something they would have to go to the store to get. It seems like there is a lot more going on with them then simple choices that they are making.

 

[Stout]

Has anyone seen any of the hoarding shows? How would you label the people who are hoarders? Most of the stuff is something they would have to go to the store to get. It seems like there is a lot more going on with them then simple choices that they are making.

+1

 

[Jetstream Green]

First, I'll check in and say I'm sorry for your losses, Cbus. That's a tough hand to be dealt, family-wise. Wish you hadn't had to go through it.

That said: No, hell no. You, Bodha, and SoCal have chosen the Rick Perry approach to science. The three of you don't care that all of the scientists in the field have labelled it as a disease, because each of your yeoman's understanding of it makes sense in your own non-professional, non-scientific minds. This is willful ignorance on the most profound level. Seriously, yinz have about as much credibility as Rick Perry does on climate control.

I don't know, I think addiction is a character flaw to an extent because if you are on a deserted island and cancer runs in your family, you are probably still going to get the affliction but not alcoholism because it is external to the body and there is no alcohol on the island. I still think this does not lessen the concern of alcoholism and in some sense makes it even more tragic and it does not really matter what definition we place on addiction, disease or not, and should be respected

 

[Bodha]

The difference is the same as somebody who gets stabbed in a mugging vs somebody who gets stabbed in a knife fight.

Both got stabbed.

But the stabbings arent equal. One person was minding their own business, the other was engaged in a dangerous activity.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Thankfully he is not the Cardinals problem anymore!

 

[TJ]

The difference is the same as somebody who gets stabbed in a mugging vs somebody who gets stabbed in a knife fight.

Both got stabbed.

But the stabbings arent equal. One person was minding their own business, the other was engaged in a dangerous activity.

Your perspective on the matter is ignorant at best. Your comparisons only reinforce your ignorance.

 

[PDXChris]

Your perspective on the matter is ignorant at best. Your comparisons only reinforce your ignorance.

No, he's right. Like the person who gets cancer from smoking. That cancer is not a disease, they made the choice to smoke and get cancer.

 

[Bodha]

Your perspective on the matter is ignorant at best. Your comparisons only reinforce your ignorance.

Youve said that twice. Stop seeking my attention, youre boring.

 

[Cardiac]

Native Americans have a very high alcoholism rate for several reasons but a main contributor is they lack the gene to matabolise alcohol. Japanese have a gene that ensures they never get hang overs.

But yeah, there couldn't be a gene that causes alcoholism.

 

[Stout]

Youve said that twice. Stop seeking my attention, youre boring.

You've and you're :BIM:

Thankfully he is not the Cardinals problem anymore!

+1

 

[Bert]

Did you guys hear that Adrian Peterson wants to be a Cardinal???

 

[TJ]

Youve said that twice. Stop seeking my attention, youre boring.

I'm not here to entertain you. I vividly remember the last time you spouted off this nonsense, that I had educated you as to why your stance on alcoholism is not only factually incorrect, but also very dangerous.

I don't like to put people on the spotlight, but you truly need to be put in your place. Marginalizing those who have an affliction from alcohol only worsens the problem. People with dependence issues need support, not shame. Do you honestly believe it's beneficial to tell someone with alcoholism that their disease isn't really a disease because it doesn't fit your made up criteria for what a disease is? It's idiots like you who keep many from seeking help when they need it. Then, they end up like a Michael Floyd, or even worse.

I dare you to take your happy ass to an AA meeting or an alcohol rehabilitation clinic and give a lecture on how alcoholism is not a disease and shouldn't be in the same category as Parkinson's. If you don't have the guts to do it, I suggest you keep your f****ng mouth shut and move on to a different topic.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I'm not here to entertain you. I vividly remember the last time you spouted off this nonsense, that I had educated you as to why your stance on alcoholism is not only factually incorrect, but also very dangerous.

I don't like to put people on the spotlight, but you truly need to be put in your place. Marginalizing those who have an affliction from alcohol only worsens the problem. People with dependence issues need support, not shame. Do you honestly believe it's beneficial to tell someone with alcoholism that their disease isn't really a disease because it doesn't fit your made up criteria for what a disease is? It's idiots like you who keep many from seeking help when they need it. Then, they end up like a Michael Floyd, or even worse.

I dare you to take your happy ass to an AA meeting or an alcohol rehabilitation clinic and give a lecture on how alcoholism is not a disease and shouldn't be in the same category as Parkinson's. If you don't have the guts to do it, I suggest you keep your f****ng mouth shut and move on to a different topic.

Dude... why are you bothering? You know the above probably just feeds the ego of people like Bodha.