Mike Jurecki on Ray Horton

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I guarantee you, CT, Ken Whisenhunt will never get another NFL head coaching job, nor will he ever get an NFL OC job.

I beg to differ Mitch, he was the HC of one of the worst franchises in the history of sports & got them to 2 mins of a Lombardy trophy.

There's no use in all of us spewing venom to dead man walking, we all know how this story will end.
 

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Rarely does a new HC gets hired before the new GM & forced to work with someone he didn't pick, that's just not the process & likely wont happen here either.

I agree with this thought. However, if the plan is to promote Kiem and make Horton the HC, it could work. They are both already familiar with one another and if that's the plan, that conversation wit Kiem has likely already occurred.
 
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I guarantee you, CT, Ken Whisenhunt will never get another NFL head coaching job, nor will he ever get an NFL OC job.

Yeah I respectfully disagree. Whisenhunt will get a lot of attention if he is sent packing.
 

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You are right. Cause McGinnis never lost 8 straight.

Grammatica's FG in OT vs the Lions in 2002 kept McGinnis from losing 10 in a row. Dave did go 3-14 2002-2003 almost as bad as CKW going 3-15 2010-2011.
 

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The team will probably "Cardinal" this too.

I can totally see the Cardinals going back to hiring cheap, inexperienced head coaches and then being confused why it isn't working out and start the same process again in three years. Like it or not, that is what it would be if the Cardinals fire Whis for Horton who highest level of coaching has been two years as a defensive coordinator with the Caridnals and has zero head coaching experience at any level.

Yep, this is my fear if they do fire Whis. Back to the same ol' same ol'
 

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I guarantee you, CT, Ken Whisenhunt will never get another NFL head coaching job, nor will he ever get an NFL OC job.

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Yep, this is my fear if they do fire Whis. Back to the same ol' same ol'

I thought this wasn't "your fathers cardinals anymore". ;)

DeAnna, if it does indeed happens we can't control what ownership does. If Michael is indeed serious about winning a Super Bowl, he will do everything in his power to improve what's suddenly broken. This includes telling his dad the way it has to be.
 

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You are right. Cause McGinnis never lost 8 straight.
We were losing every road game in '03 by 30+ points. This is embarassing no doubt but there's actually NFL talent on this team. HOF'ers like Fitz and Pro Bowlers like Peterson, Daryl Washington, etc. 2003 we had Anquan, Wilson, and literally nothing else. Our offense was almost as bad in 2003 but with a considerably worse defense.
 

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DeAnna, if it does indeed happens we can't control what ownership does. If Michael is indeed serious about winning a Super Bowl, he will do everything in his power to improve what's suddenly broken. This includes telling his dad the way it has to be.

This.
 

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I guarantee you, CT, Ken Whisenhunt will never get another NFL head coaching job, nor will he ever get an NFL OC job.

even as someone who thinks Wiz should be fired, i believe this is the most ridiculous guarantee I've ever seen. He won't even ever get an NFL OC job? Let's make some kind of sig bet on that one.
 

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even as someone who thinks Wiz should be fired, i believe this is the most ridiculous guarantee I've ever seen. He won't even ever get an NFL OC job? Let's make some kind of sig bet on that one.

Yeah, let's put this in perspective, Dave Mac continues to be employed as a coach by NFL teams and he is one of the worst head coaches in history. Whisenhunt is nowhere near that level of incompetence.
 
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even as someone who thinks Wiz should be fired, i believe this is the most ridiculous guarantee I've ever seen. He won't even ever get an NFL OC job? Let's make some kind of sig bet on that one.

I could actually see Whisenhunt going to a team with an established veteran QB and do reasonably well. A team say like Dallas or even lead San Diego to some sort of success.
 

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Yeah I respectfully disagree. Whisenhunt will get a lot of attention if he is sent packing.

I can't see any team perceiving Whisenhunt as a game changer or energizing force...let alone a coach who has the game planning skills and offensive scheme to mean the difference between winning and losing.

After the way he's handled the QB situation---who would want him anywhere near their QBs?

Maybe I am wrong, but this is what I sense.
 

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I could actually see Whisenhunt going to a team with an established veteran QB and do reasonably well. A team say like Dallas or even lead San Diego to some sort of success.

I would only hire him if he drops the iron Mike routine, actually Ditka was probably a teddy bear to QB's by comparison.
 
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I would only hire him if he drops the iron Mike routine, actually Ditka was probably a teddy bear to QB's by comparison.

Me too, but realistically there is no way I see him giving up all that power and playing second fiddle to a GM while getting rid if his boys. I'd be shocked is he is the HC of this team come draft day.
 

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I can't see any team perceiving Whisenhunt as a game changer or energizing force...let alone a coach who has the game planning skills and offensive scheme to mean the difference between winning and losing.

After the way he's handled the QB situation---who would want him anywhere near their QBs?

Maybe I am wrong, but this is what I sense.

I'm with you Mitch. It's nothing we can prove but when every QB since Warner has been horrible you have to wonder. We can't be that unlucky with our selections at QB can we?

Speaking of CKW getting a HC job elsewhere only one former Arizona Cardinal coach since Don Coryell has received another HC job. Joe Bugel who went 4-12 with the Raiders and was promptly fired. Jim Hanifan coached 4 games for Atlanta after leaving St.Louis. He was 0-4. Charley Winner went 9-14 with the Jets. Wally Lemm was 37-38-4 with the Oilers.

Jimmy Conzelman was 26-16-6 with the Providence Steam Rollers. But that was before he became the greatest coach in Cardinal history.
 

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I think Shaw would be an excellent hire.

But do you just let Horton walk?

I empower my new head coach to make the decision and back whatever his decision is. Most likely he would want to bring in his own people.

I find it amusing that most want it both ways. They want a new head coach, but they don't want anything to change. Going about it that way just doesn't work. Firing your head coach basically says everyone is expendable, and empowers the new head coach to make decisions accordingly.
 

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I guarantee you, CT, Ken Whisenhunt will never get another NFL head coaching job, nor will he ever get an NFL OC job.

Mitch, I luv ya' man but that statement is, well...more fueled by bitterness than logic. Outside of Cardinal fan, Whis is very much respected by professionals around the league as a good head coach :)
 
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Mitch, I luv ya' man but that statement is, well...more fueled by bitterness than logic. Outside of Cardinal fan, Whis is very much respected by professionals around the league as a good head coach :)

Seriously? How can you say that with such confidence? The guy has won at most 9 games and endured historic losing streaks. He is mediocre at best right now.
 

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First off, I don't think Whiz is getting fired. But, if he did, I'd be awfully surprised if he didn't get another HC job. If guys like Phillips, Turner, Mularkey, and even Dave Wannestadt all have been hired multiple times with less credentials, Whiz will too. In fact, I think he'll be a very succesful HC. Hopefully it's in Arizona.

This situation reminds of the Gary Kubiak situation in Houston. They were ready to run him out of town 2 years ago and decided to stick with him. Now look at them. One of the AZ Republic writers compared the situation to Lovie Smith in Chicago also. He was on his way out, they stuck with him, now look at them. The same can be said about Marvin Lewis in Cincy. They are about to make the playoffs for the 2nd year in a row and he WAS dead man walking two years ago.

Everybody thinks a new guy is going to come in and be better but most cases that doesn't happen. Get Whiz a QB and let's see what effect Lichter has on free agency, then decide.
 

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This could play out in a number of ways in my opinion.

The F.O. comes out the 'good guy' if they offer Whis another year to right the ship if he fires Grimm and Miller. As for nobody coming here if Whis is a lame-duck, if he agrees to can Grimm and Miller and hire competent experienced coaches to coordinate the offense and coach the offensive line, maybe you extend him for one additional year. That puts the ball squarely in Whisenhunt's court. Both sides get something. Whis gets a legitimate chance to make another $5.5 million and management gets him to drop underperforming or inexperienced coaches.

I'm really not sure Ray Horton is ready for a head coaching job just yet. In the above scenario, you enhance his title {assistant head coach} and pray that a genuine good head coaching opportunity doesn't entice him away THIS offseason.
 

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Got this with a google seardh

The Arizona Cardinals have rewarded coach Ken Whisenhunt for leading the franchise out of pro football oblivion with a new four-year contract that runs through the 2013 season, with a team option for 2014.

If Cards do well in 2013 no doubt they will use the option year on his contract.
 

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