Miller once again does it again!

[GatorAZ]

Who killed Schlabach?

 

[Cheesebeef]

Who killed Schlabach?

New news here?

 

[TJ]

Who killed Schlabach?

Day 10 of radio silence. You don’t write THAT kind of article and go mute. You do the exact opposite.

 

[Russ Smith]

LOL. Here comes the internet police again.

If you look at that thread, he got banned because the site apparently has automatic profanity sensors and when he came on posting profanity in his first few posts, that triggered, a mod came over and banned him.

So the owners of this site, at least one of whom I think is an Arizona fan(?) apparently don't want profanity on their board.

 

[overseascardfan]

I think ESPN & Yahoo made a mistake even running their stories when it seems they don’t clearly have the accurate information. They have brought the scrutiny on themselves. I wonder if the FBI could go after them for leaking out info on the wiretaps, this is an ongoing federal investigation.

 

[Russ Smith]

I think ESPN & Yahoo made a mistake even running their stories when it seems they don’t clearly have the accurate information. They have brought the scrutiny on themselves. I wonder if the FBI could go after them for leaking out info on the wiretaps, this is an ongoing federal investigation.

What has Yahoo posted that's inaccurate and talks about wiretaps?

What they did that I'm aware of was all related to the Andy Miller raids and their stuff that mentions Arizona, Alkins and Lauri, Book and Pasternack and trying to get Bowen, is all dependent on stuff they got from the Andy Miller raids including emails. I don't recall much mention in their stuff about wiretaps.

The risk for Yahoo is Dawkins may have been lying to cover up his own spending, maybe he's out gambling and going to strip clubs and then writes in his expense report paid 400 bucks cash to Miles Bridges mom, gave a thousand loan to Metu etc.

IF ESPN is wrong here I think they're going to get hit pretty hard, there are already getting lots of push back.

Schlabach had to come on Sportscenter on Thursday and reiterate that he stands behind his reporting, because of all the pushback.

 

[GatorAZ]

Arizona is going to gift Oregon into a championship with all the players we’re supplying them.

 

[Russ Smith]

Arizona is going to gift Oregon into a championship with all the players we’re supplying them.

Josh is saying Williams is wide open the rumors he's leaning to oregon arent' true, but they do make sense. UCLA doesn't have a scholarship unless someone leaves and they sort of have recruits in the pipeline(Cassius Stanley and a transfer) that might not be thrilled if UCLA gave the first ride that opens to Williams. They're recruiting him and I think there's reason to believe they might end up with rides for all 3 guys but it would certainly make sense Williams picks Oregon or someone else over UCLA.

 

[GatorAZ]

Josh is saying Williams is wide open the rumors he's leaning to oregon arent' true, but they do make sense. UCLA doesn't have a scholarship unless someone leaves and they sort of have recruits in the pipeline(Cassius Stanley and a transfer) that might not be thrilled if UCLA gave the first ride that opens to Williams. They're recruiting him and I think there's reason to believe they might end up with rides for all 3 guys but it would certainly make sense Williams picks Oregon or someone else over UCLA.

Hard to imagine it with Hands and Campbell. Josh says he’s hearing from Kentucky and Kansas but they’re stacked at PG with Grimes/Dotson and Green/Quickley. Williams is pretty tight with Bol and he should be able to play with Pritchard.

 

[Russ Smith]

Hard to imagine it with Hands and Campbell. Josh says he’s hearing from Kentucky and Kansas but they’re stacked at PG with Grimes/Dotson and Green/Quickley. Williams is pretty tight with Bol and he should be able to play with Pritchard.

There's some rumor that Hands might leave, since he's not even remotely good enough for the NBA(he has no left hand at all) it might even be a transfer but nothing for sure.

Josh said Jordan Brown told UCLA he wanted to commit but in a couple of weeks, they were tired of waiting and told him Shareef was going to commit right away if Brown didn't take it, Brown didn't, so Shareef committed. They're recruiting Williams presumably because they think Wilkes is going pro. There's also some rumor from Josh that Nwuba one of the commits is going to back out because he doesn't want to be behind Moses Brown, that ride would presumably go to Cassius Stanley if he reclasses and picks UCLA,. Williams and Shareef are tight too but I agree Oregon would be a good fit for him. And if you read the story out today he makes a convincing argument he might wind up at Arizona anyways, they're not out and he said Miller went and visited him after he decommitted and made a compelling argument.

Gonzaga sounds like a major factor in his recruitment too.

 

[overseascardfan]

What has Yahoo posted that's inaccurate and talks about wiretaps?

What they did that I'm aware of was all related to the Andy Miller raids and their stuff that mentions Arizona, Alkins and Lauri, Book and Pasternack and trying to get Bowen, is all dependent on stuff they got from the Andy Miller raids including emails. I don't recall much mention in their stuff about wiretaps.

The risk for Yahoo is Dawkins may have been lying to cover up his own spending, maybe he's out gambling and going to strip clubs and then writes in his expense report paid 400 bucks cash to Miles Bridges mom, gave a thousand loan to Metu etc.

IF ESPN is wrong here I think they're going to get hit pretty hard, there are already getting lots of push back.

Schlabach had to come on Sportscenter on Thursday and reiterate that he stands behind his reporting, because of all the pushback.

Maybe not wiretaps but that list they posted, 1. Do they have proof or validity other than an agents balance sheet and list? 2. Is that list actual FBI evidence? Not a lawyer but leaking out evidence of an ongoing investigation is illegal, yes?

 

[Russ Smith]

Maybe not wiretaps but that list they posted, 1. Do they have proof or validity other than an agents balance sheet and list? 2. Is that list actual FBI evidence? Not a lawyer but leaking out evidence of an ongoing investigation is illegal, yes?

No they don't have actual evidence supporting the lists, but they in fact admitted that in the story. And no it's not FBI evidence, it's copies of pre existing documents. That was made known when people started blasting ESPN for reporting stuff that was allegedly part of a sealed FBI case, they were reporting evidence generated by the FBI(wiretaps). What Yahoo was reporting was documentation developed by Christian Dawkins and ASM Sports, it was SEIZED by the FBI but it's not FBI generated evidence so while I'm sure the FBI didn't want it leaked, it's apparently not illegal.

I understand the objections to the ESPN story because we're still not clear if they're right or not and it's a huge accusation against a head coach. With Yahoo, what they published is entirely consistent with the original story the FBI announced, they just gave us more names and details.

ANd it's obvious WHY Yahoo published it, the original story Book was the bad guy and Pasternack got lucky he changed jobs when he did. Now we know Pasternack was actually trying to steer Lauri to a specific agent to help get Bowen. That is we have more background on why this agent steering stuff is important and all the people saying we don't even know if they got money are missing part of the whole scheme. They weren't just steering players to agents, they were trying to get recruits by doing it.

 

[ozzfloyd]

https://247sports.com/Article/Arizo...ller-DeAndre-Ayton-Arizona-Wildcats-116234904

 

[TJ]

https://247sports.com/Article/Arizo...ller-DeAndre-Ayton-Arizona-Wildcats-116234904

Pretty much.

Still depressing to think that faulty report destroyed our recruiting class and sullied Miller's reputation.

 

[GatorAZ]

https://247sports.com/Article/Arizo...ller-DeAndre-Ayton-Arizona-Wildcats-116234904

They’re saying the conversation never even took place. ESPN better hope the judge never lets the tapes see the light of day.

 

[TJ]

They’re saying the conversation never even took place. ESPN better hope the judge never lets the tapes see the light of day.

At this point, I want to hear the tapes and judging from the bends and breaks from the ESPN article, I bet there's nothing available. For starters, if what he's accused of is true, Sean Miller would've been arrested with Book and the others. Plus, why did Schlabach go mute after he was challenged (he's been quiet for almost three weeks)? If that report was even somewhat accurate, other media outlets pick it up. Instead, everyone challenged it.

Just sucks that the future of our program was decimated by shotty journalism

 

[Russ Smith]

At this point, I want to hear the tapes and judging from the bends and breaks from the ESPN article, I bet there's nothing available. For starters, if what he's accused of is true, Sean Miller would've been arrested with Book and the others. Plus, why did Schlabach go mute after he was challenged (he's been quiet for almost three weeks)? If that report was even somewhat accurate, other media outlets pick it up. Instead, everyone challenged it.

Just sucks that the future of our program was decimated by shotty journalism

Not that long ago you said Schlabach had been radio silent for 10 days. At the time you said that he'd actually gone on Sportscenter 3 nights earlier and repeated the story and said he stood behind it. I think it's pretty obvious that as soon as the feds came out and said they were furious about all the leaks and were tryign to get to the bottom of them, it was unlikely Schlabach was going to continue to talk since his sources were the leaks the feds were complaining about.

If you read the Yahoo stories that Evan and Josh talk about it says right in there there were email exchanges Aug 15 and earlier in 2016 that make it clear Book and Pasternack were working directly with Dawkins to try and get Bowen by steering Alkins and Lauri. And they reference Arizona being "apologetic" and that Miller was "all upset" because of an earlier recruiting problem with a PLAYER(not ex player), the parent and ASM(the agency). The way the whole thing is written certainly implies Miller knew who Dawkins was and had talked to him by August and probably earlier since the incident took place earlier.

The ESPN story if the tape doesn't back them up is going to be a huge problem for ESPN. If Miller is falsely implicated there it's going to be a huge deal. but nobody is disputing the Yahoo story and if you read it through, you guys would be vacating every game alkins has played at arizona over 2 years, and every game Lauri played at arizona. and presumably since Miller knew Alkins was in the FBI story before this season started, and still chose to play him, he's going to have to deal with that part of it anyways.

But obviously that stuff is far less than the ESPN story about Miller and ayton.

Right now this comes down to Schlabach citing unnamed sources saying one thing, and Daniels and Gershon citing unnamed sources saying something else. At this point it's hard to know who is right but it sure looks like if ESPN is wrong, it better all come out eventually.

 

[GatorAZ]

Not that long ago you said Schlabach had been radio silent for 10 days. At the time you said that he'd actually gone on Sportscenter 3 nights earlier and repeated the story and said he stood behind it. I think it's pretty obvious that as soon as the feds came out and said they were furious about all the leaks and were tryign to get to the bottom of them, it was unlikely Schlabach was going to continue to talk since his sources were the leaks the feds were complaining about.

If you read the Yahoo stories that Evan and Josh talk about it says right in there there were email exchanges Aug 15 and earlier in 2016 that make it clear Book and Pasternack were working directly with Dawkins to try and get Bowen by steering Alkins and Lauri. And they reference Arizona being "apologetic" and that Miller was "all upset" because of an earlier recruiting problem with a PLAYER(not ex player), the parent and ASM(the agency). The way the whole thing is written certainly implies Miller knew who Dawkins was and had talked to him by August and probably earlier since the incident took place earlier.

The ESPN story if the tape doesn't back them up is going to be a huge problem for ESPN. If Miller is falsely implicated there it's going to be a huge deal. but nobody is disputing the Yahoo story and if you read it through, you guys would be vacating every game alkins has played at arizona over 2 years, and every game Lauri played at arizona. and presumably since Miller knew Alkins was in the FBI story before this season started, and still chose to play him, he's going to have to deal with that part of it anyways.

But obviously that stuff is far less than the ESPN story about Miller and ayton.

Right now this comes down to Schlabach citing unnamed sources saying one thing, and Daniels and Gershon citing unnamed sources saying something else. At this point it's hard to know who is right but it sure looks like if ESPN is wrong, it better all come out eventually.

Were Rawle and Lauri in the spreadsheets like Josh Jackson and Dennis Smith with amounts next to their names/family?

 

[Russ Smith]

Were Rawle and Lauri in the spreadsheets like Josh Jackson and Dennis Smith with amounts next to their names/family?

They were in emails. Again, you do NOT have to take money from an agent to be ineligible, if you agree to work with the agent in the future, you are ineligible. if you read the Yahoo story, IF Dawkins is telling the truth, they were being steered Lauri by Pasternack, but they thought Lauri already had an agent, Alex Len's agent. Now again Dawkins may have just been faking it to make himself look better, that's part of his job afterall, but if he was telling the truth, he believed that Pasternack was offering to steer Lauri to him, when Lauri already had an agent, and that was in August before the season started.

Given that we already know the FBI has Book on tape talking about the kid who already got paid(Alkins), and the Yahoo story specifically names the "cousin" (Rodney) that has been mentioned by the same Arizona fans saying ALkins is the player who already got paid, it's reasonable to assume that section of the emails that Yahoo has, might be right. And Alkins and Lauri are in there are the same time. In fact if you read it, they sort of imply that the player Miller was upset about, because of some "recruiting issue" with ASM and the parent, was Lauri.

That's why the night the Miller ESPN story broke i said if yuo saw the yahoo story, they just buried your program.

IF ESPN is wrong I hope both Schlabach and Bilas get fired, they're both all in on it, Bilas has gone on radio and tv multiple times now saying he's seen the sourcing for the story and is confident it's right, if it's not, he should get fired over it too.

Regarding the recruiting class, Williams says he's still strongly considering Arizona. There are also rumors Memphis is about to possibly hire Penny Hardaway and if they do, Shareef would decommit from UCLA to go play for Penny. That rumor says that he would have done that even if he were still committed to ARizona, because of the friendship between Shaq and Penny.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Does the title of this thread refer to losing to a lower seed in tournament every year? If so... he sure did!!

 

[Russ Smith]

Speaking of Miller, here come the rumors. Report out now that Miller is considering taking the Pitt job.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Speaking of Miller, here come the rumors. Report out now that Miller is considering taking the Pitt job.

Here’s what really bothers me about the NCAA. If Miller got caught running a dirty enough program to actually get punished, it’s crap for the school to solely get punished, while the coach gets away scot-free to move on without consequence.

Calipari has gotten away with it consistently, just moving on after killing programs. Now, maybe that’s just the price programs are willing to pay to win, but if the NCAA ever really wants to get serious about stopping this, the coaches have to be punished as well in some form.

Either that or just start paying the kids already.

 

[GatorAZ]

Speaking of Miller, here come the rumors. Report out now that Miller is considering taking the Pitt job.

So Arizona wouldn’t have to pay him?

From Pitt’s POV it would make some sense. Miller played there and their program is a dumpster fire right now they’d take him regardless of the FBI cloud.

 

[Chaplin]

At this point, I'm 50/50 on saying, "Good riddance."

We are a FAR cry from the days of Lute Olson.

 

[Dback Jon]

Speaking of Miller, here come the rumors. Report out now that Miller is considering taking the Pitt job.

He'd be starting from scratch:


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Eight Pittsburgh men’s basketball players will receive their release to transfer elsewhere today, sources told ESPN. Story coming.