Miller once again does it again!

[Russ Smith]

Saw online confirmation that Kadeem Allen, not Trier was at Media Day. And that Miller was asked a question about Trier's role this year and avoided answering it.

Looking more and more like that rumor is true.

Doesn't look good for Trier

Yeah he was NOT there today from what i've heard. I know a reporter who was there and he said nobody from Arizona would answer when asked about Trier. But to be fair privacy rules probably prevents them from doing so.

 

[TJ]

Saw online confirmation that Kadeem Allen, not Trier was at Media Day. And that Miller was asked a question about Trier's role this year and avoided answering it.

Looking more and more like that rumor is true.



Yeah he was NOT there today from what i've heard. I know a reporter who was there and he said nobody from Arizona would answer when asked about Trier. But to be fair privacy rules probably prevents them from doing so.

I wouldn't look too much into his absence. Had Trier been brought, he would've been peppered with questions about a rumored suspension. How many legit hoops questions would Trier have been asked? Would've been a huge distraction for not only Trier and Miller, but for all of media day.

Although, the day before, Trier was with the team delivering season tickets around Tucson to fans. By no means is the team jettisoning Trier from the program. In fact, if you listen to all of Miller's comments, he's proceeding as if Trier will be an active member of the team this coming season.

Details are very vague, but I heard recently there's reason for some optimism. At this point, Wildcat fans will be happy with an abbreviated suspension as opposed to 12-months.

 

[TJ]

I can't believe some though AZ might not take Lee at one point. He's being compared to Craig Victor except I don't remember Victor dunking all over the place.

The battle with Nova for Walker will be interesting. Coming off a national championship and they'll have a lot of young talent replacing the vets by then. Just one of McCoy or Walker will cement a top-3 class nationally by the time everyone is committed. Duke and UK would probably pass it eventually.

Lee has been all but guaranteed to UofA for quite some time. Miller actively recruited him for four years.

Victor is not the best comparison. Lee has much more athleticism.

 

[Russ Smith]

I wouldn't look too much into his absence. Had Trier been brought, he would've been peppered with questions about a rumored suspension. How many legit hoops questions would Trier have been asked? Would've been a huge distraction for not only Trier and Miller, but for all of media day.

Although, the day before, Trier was with the team delivering season tickets around Tucson to fans. By no means is the team jettisoning Trier from the program. In fact, if you listen to all of Miller's comments, he's proceeding as if Trier will be an active member of the team this coming season.

Details are very vague, but I heard recently there's reason for some optimism. At this point, Wildcat fans will be happy with an abbreviated suspension as opposed to 12-months.

It depends on what's actually true. The rumor now seems to be it's an NCAA suspension for an NCAA test, not a UA one. If that's true it comes down to how often has the NCAA been willing to bend on that 1 year rule. I googled the rule and there are clauses in there that allow them to reduce it on appeal, but there have been multiple cases where guys got it from a legal supplement they said, and the suspensions were NOT reduced.Obviously any reduction that allows Trier to play this season is a huge difference because my guess is if Trier gets 1 year, he'll withdraw from school, so it would end his time at UA.

Like I said the reporter I know said that UA wouldn't answer any questions about him but that didn't surprise anybody given the privacy rules.

 

[GatorAZ]

It depends on what's actually true. The rumor now seems to be it's an NCAA suspension for an NCAA test, not a UA one. If that's true it comes down to how often has the NCAA been willing to bend on that 1 year rule. I googled the rule and there are clauses in there that allow them to reduce it on appeal, but there have been multiple cases where guys got it from a legal supplement they said, and the suspensions were NOT reduced.Obviously any reduction that allows Trier to play this season is a huge difference because my guess is if Trier gets 1 year, he'll withdraw from school, so it would end his time at UA.

Like I said the reporter I know said that UA wouldn't answer any questions about him but that didn't surprise anybody given the privacy rules.

Cases must be handled differently since the appeal process is being handled before the suspension was announced.

Will Grier was suspended right after testing positive. He then appealed it. Then again it might've been more obvious in his case. This was from August of 2015 two months before the positive test.

http://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/florida-football/will-grier-weight-2015/

 

[Lefty]

http://www.azdesertswarm.com/recrui...alker-pj-washington-sean-miller-nick-richards

 

[overseascardfan]

http://www.azdesertswarm.com/recrui...alker-pj-washington-sean-miller-nick-richards

Walker and McCoy would be amazing but if UA can land either Duval or Vanderbilt with those two, Miller is on Cal's level of recruiting. I think McCoy would be more of a fit than Richards because he can play PF, thoughts?

 

[TJ]

Richards is Kentucky bound unless something strange happens. I highly doubt Duval will come to UofA. Vanderbilt maybe, but we have a better chance at others.

Lonnie Walker is likely the next recruit we nab.

 

[GatorAZ]

https://kentucky.forums.rivals.com/threads/lonnie-walker-reschedules-visit-to-uk.214867/

Walker has recheduled his Kentucky visit and Bowen is visiting AZ this weekend? Interdasting...

 

[TJ]

https://kentucky.forums.rivals.com/threads/lonnie-walker-reschedules-visit-to-uk.214867/

Walker has recheduled his Kentucky visit and Bowen is visiting AZ this weekend? Interdasting...

Well, prairie poo.

Still think no Walker is between Arizona and Villanova. Bowen would be s good fallback option.

 

[Lefty]

Looks like Trier might of been using a prescription drug for his asthma.
http://arizona.247sports.com/Board/59422/Contents/ISO-ZO-48380211?Page=2

 

[Russ Smith]

Looks like Trier might of been using a prescription drug for his asthma.
http://arizona.247sports.com/Board/59422/Contents/ISO-ZO-48380211?Page=2

That's one of the rare exceptions that would get an NCAA suspension reduced or dropped although the rules do clearly say athletes are responsible for what they put in their bodies, if they have a medical exception the NCAA will allow it. No idea how the NCAA would handle a kid who forgot to renew his exemption but I guess that's certainly somewhat plausible if the kid had originally planned to turn pro. I have no idea if exemptions have to be filed annually or something like that. I have asthma, I don't use inhalers but I know there are several like Advair that contained banned substances and have to be registered for things like cycling and Olympic sports.

UCLA had Kevon Looney who had asthma but I'm not aware if he had to register for a medical exemption or not, that sort of stuff is of course entirely confidential. I actually predicted he had asthma early in his first year because he always gasping for breath, it came out in his pre draft workouts and medical reports he had it.

If that's what happened with Trier he should be allowed to play IMO.

 

[TJ]

Albuterol is considered a PED because it increases VO2 max for increased stamina, but it's very common in the asthmatic population to use.

If it is a common medication for Trier, and he has a legit diagnosis, I can't imagine the NCAA levying a stiff penalty on him, maybe for being negligent in submitting his exemption.

Then again, this is the NCAA, so........

 

[Russ Smith]

Albuterol is considered a PED because it increases VO2 max for increased stamina, but it's very common in the asthmatic population to use.

If it is a common medication for Trier, and he has a legit diagnosis, I can't imagine the NCAA levying a stiff penalty on him, maybe for being negligent in submitting his exemption.

Then again, this is the NCAA, so........

Yeah i googled it this morning and Albuterol is the most common one and it's caused false positives for things like even meth in some drug tests.

The interesting thing and this was off one cycling site so I have no idea how accurate it is. Roughly 8% of the total population has asthma, it's going up due to pollutants in the air. Among professional cyclists, highest level the guys that do Tour De France type racing 17% of them are registered as having asthma and are allowed medical exceptions to take something for it. And 30% of the races are won by people who have medical exemptions for asthma meds. As the site pointed out the numbers are pretty suspicious because cycling would be one of the last sports someone who has asthma would naturally gravitate too since it's a high endurance sport and oxygen usage is a huge part of cycling. So they were basically saying that cyclists are getting diagnosed with asthma so they can legally take the meds, or just the steroid part of it) because it helps them in cycling.

Can't really see a basketball player who didn't have asthma doing that to get an advantage.

https://www.steroidal.com/fat-loss-agents/albuterol/albuterol-cycle/

 

[GatorAZ]

How long has he been using it for asthma? How hasn't he tested positive before, or has he? Tough to know the outcome without the details.

I'm about 99% sure he wasn't using this as a performance enhancer but there are 1% of athletes out there that will do or try anything to gain a physical advantage in any sport at any level. I'm sure some CFB player is getting lit on Deer Antler Spray right now.

 

[Russ Smith]

How long has he been using it for asthma? How hasn't he tested positive before, or has he? Tough to know the outcome without the details.

I'm about 99% sure he wasn't using this as a performance enhancer but there are 1% of athletes out there that will do or try anything to gain a physical advantage in any sport at any level. I'm sure some CFB player is getting lit on Deer Antler Spray right now.

Yeah I guess for me as long as Arizona can show he had a medical exemption for taking it LAST year as a freshman I'd be inclined to say the NCAA should just drop the whole thing and let him play.

I do have to say though after reading that cycling stuff and then that link about what steroid users take Albuterol for, leaning out, it makes me a bit less likely to take it at face value. My first comment when someone posted that the rumor was PED's was Trier looks like he if anything leaned out so if he was using PED's it was for that. Precisely what body builders who use it use it for, to lean out.

As for how hasn't he tested positive before, near as I can tell Reeves Nelson never tested positive for PED's at UCLA and I have no doubt in my mind he was a big user and I mean from bulking up in HS to leaning out after his freshman year. I think guys that get caught are usually just being careless with tests randomized like that.

 

[Lefty]

Evan Daniels ‏@EvanDaniels 25m25 minutes ago Kentucky, USA
Five-star wing Brian Bowen was scheduled to visit UCLA following his trip to Arizona. That trip has been canceled. He's currently at Arizona

 

[GatorAZ]

I think Russ hinted a while back that Wilkes was much more likely to UCLA than Bowen. I'd prefer Walker cause he's a complete player but getting an elite offensive talent like Bowen is still a huge deal. He definitely needs some coaching though.

 

[TJ]

Wilkes is all but committed to UCLA, which leaves Bowen and Walker as the top SFs Miller is targeting. The problem (a good one, for that matter) is that Bowen will likely commit before Walker, but Walker is probably the better overall prospect and both are not playing on the same team.

You simply don't say "no" to a talent like Bowen for a chance at Walker. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

Then again, we may get neither, and that would totally suck.

 

[GatorAZ]

Walker looks like more of a combo guard than SF. Without him I'm not sure who would play defense in the backcourt next year.

Bowen can light it up though. The last couple years Miller has really been going after offensively talented players.

Feels like McCoy is shifting away from Arizona now but I think the frontcourt is still really strong if Ayton qualifies.

Ayton/Comanche at C
Smith/Lee at PF

 

[Russ Smith]

I think Russ hinted a while back that Wilkes was much more likely to UCLA than Bowen. I'd prefer Walker cause he's a complete player but getting an elite offensive talent like Bowen is still a huge deal. He definitely needs some coaching though.

FWIW the rumor is Bowen cancelled because Wilkes gave UCLA a "silent verbal". They have been saying Wilkes will announce this Friday but Daniels is saying it may come out as soon as today.

Edit Wilkes set his announcement date for Nov 13 now. So not this Friday but next.

Still believed to be UCLA but obviously 2 weeks for him to change his mind. He's apparently not only told UCLA he's coming, but he's told Indiana and Illinois that he's going toUCLA not them.

 

[TJ]

Miller wont confirm whether or not Trier will play in tomorrow's exhibition game.

The longer this persists, the worse it gets.

 

[GatorAZ]

Im confused. Is appealing the test and suspension two different things b/c he hasn't officially been suspended yet (unless the athletic dept is doing a world class job of keeping it quiet). Grier was suspended right after the positive test. He lost the appeal 40 days.

 

[TJ]

Im confused. Is appealing the test and suspension two different things b/c he hasn't officially been suspended yet (unless the athletic dept is doing a world class job of keeping it quiet). Grier was suspended right after the positive test. He lost the appeal 40 days.

I honestly have no clue. The people who've been talking about Trier have gone silent and there really isn't any further information out there.

If Miller sits Trier tomorrow, that may prompt more information to come out. Then again, we really had no clue about Pitts's situation until 2 months after he was suspended, so who in the hell knows at this point.

 

[Mr. Boldin]

This is a different case from Grier, because Trier hasnt even been suspended yet.