Mizzou vs Iowa "Blaine Gabbert Audition"

[Southpaw]

+1

And few spread offense QBs are actually successful in the NFL.

i.e. Texas Tech QBs.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Phillip Rivers was a dink and dunk QB in college and he worked out OK but he is the exception.The ever growing legendary Kevin Kolb was another. I like a guy who can get it downfield more but that doesn't mean Gabbert can't do it. HIs draft status will be determined by his workouts. The good thing is, he has thrown alot of passes. The bad thing is, he has questionable decision making at this point. He should definitely return to school and get more seasoning. Ryan Malllet and Andrew Luck make alot more NFL type throws than Gabbert but, again, that doesn't mean he can't.
Agree about Stanzi but his offense was hindered by the drug suspensions. He will still be a good later round prospect.

 

[cgolden]

And you don't even mention Da'quan Bowers who is a better player than any player you've mentioned on this list.

Bowers is strictly a 4-3 DE, there's no reason to even watch tape on the kid.

 

[cgolden]

Gabbert has strengths and weaknesses just like every other QB prospect out there but the one thing that sorta stuck out to me last night is that he seemed to pull the ball down and run too quickly. He's either doesn't trust his ability to go through the reads quick enough or he doesn't have very good pocket presence (something that I think alot of spread QB's develop b/c most of the reads are very quick).

 

[Early]

If Ponder gets his throwing shoulder healed, he could be a huge bargain in this draft. Has all of the tangibles and intangibles ( cliche warning ). For his sake, he will be ready for the combine or FSU's Pro Day.

He is an amazing prospect. After workouts and after tapes have been analyzed, i think his stock will be higher, maybe 2nd round pick, even 1st will be required.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

For supposedly a strong arm the guy sure rarely shows it. 6.58 yards per attempt is absolute crap, it equals a guy that dinks and dunks 90% of the time and still only has a 62% comp percentage(good for NFL average for college ball especially if you are dinking and dunking it). I have only seen him play against Iowa State and he didn't look good passing it or

Color me unimpressed.

Also there is two Kiper lists out there. One with just Seniors (which is the one with Gabbert @ #2), and one with all draft eligible QB's which puts Gabbert outside of the top 5.

He is not listed in Kiper's seniors, as he is not. Locker is #1 on that list. He is, however, listed as the number 4 QB among non-seniors.

(Luck, Mallett, Newton, Gabbert, Foles)

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Again, I am sure you guys know more than guys who do it for a living, who say he is top 3 if he comes out. He had passes of 24 yards, 32 yards, 21, 26, and 22 in the first 2 quarters to go with 3 of 12 or more .That was the first half alone. Boy that does say dink and dunk. Again I refuse to take this kind of banter seriously. I have seen the majority of Gabberts games and he is the real deal and has things you can't teach in a Qb. You watch one half or one game and make a blanket judgement. Blind leading the blind I say.

Well, this is the home of simplification and generalization, so you can't be surprised, eh?

P.S. I liked him.

 

[conraddobler]

Having a few throws over 10 yards in spread offense is not a defense for the guy being overrated. In the spread offense you should have SEVERAL passes over the 15 yard mark because of how spread out the defense is.

Spread QBs are massively overrated. QBs have to make quick decisions in the NFL without the luxury of being in the shotgun the entire game.

He has no WR's who get open downfield.

It's a bizzare year for MU, usually they have something other than about 10 possesion WR's, this year they have just possesion WR's.

Just forget I mentioned this, we won't take him anyhow.

Just to be fair though he can toss it a long long ways on a rope.

I've seen him do it, he dosen't often, because again, he has no WR's who get open much, not against real good teams, if you watch against the cupcakes he did it all day long, but that was again because his WR's got open against them.

Seriously I've seen him throw bombs no QB on our roster could throw, and when he works out he'll rocket up the draft charts.

He's going in the first round, and he's exactly the type of player that starts causing a feeding frenzy after the workouts.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Phillip Rivers was a dink and dunk QB in college and he worked out OK but he is the exception.The ever growing legendary Kevin Kolb was another. I like a guy who can get it downfield more but that doesn't mean Gabbert can't do it. HIs draft status will be determined by his workouts. The good thing is, he has thrown alot of passes. The bad thing is, he has questionable decision making at this point. He should definitely return to school and get more seasoning. Ryan Malllet and Andrew Luck make alot more NFL type throws than Gabbert but, again, that doesn't mean he can't.
Agree about Stanzi but his offense was hindered by the drug suspensions. He will still be a good later round prospect.

LOL Philip Rivers was not a dink and dunk QB. I watched most of his games at NC State (I'm originally from NC) and he threw the ball downfield quite a bit.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Bowers is strictly a 4-3 DE, there's no reason to even watch tape on the kid.

Right....and we should move back to a 4-3. We have the linemen to make the switch, and we literally only have 1 good LB.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Again, I am sure you guys know more than guys who do it for a living, who say he is top 3 if he comes out. He had passes of 24 yards, 32 yards, 21, 26, and 22 in the first 2 quarters to go with 3 of 12 or more .That was the first half alone. Boy that does say dink and dunk. Again I refuse to take this kind of banter seriously. I have seen the majority of Gabberts games and he is the real deal and has things you can't teach in a Qb. You watch one half or one game and make a blanket judgement. Blind leading the blind I say.

This is as close to a death sentence as you are going to get for Gabberts career

Here is my list of potential QB's and their ceiling of greatness in the NFL:

Luck
Newton
Locker
Mallett
Ponder
Foles
Gabbert

 

[conraddobler]

This is as close to a death sentence as you are going to get for Gabberts career

Here is my list of potential QB's and their ceiling of greatness in the NFL:

Luck
Newton
Locker
Mallett
Ponder
Foles
Gabbert

The fun thing about a thread like this is it's enshrined in time.

I'm going to enjoy watching this playout.

I encourage more people to put this in writing.

 

[Krangodnzr]

If Gabbert was bad, Stanzi was brutal.

Stanzi IMO looked undraftable. Small and every throw hung. He didn't throw as much as Gabbert, but the few throws he threw looked like NFL picks. I wouldn't touch him with a ten foot pole.

 

[Krangodnzr]

This is as close to a death sentence as you are going to get for Gabberts career

Here is my list of potential QB's and their ceiling of greatness in the NFL:

Luck
Newton
Mallett
Ponder
Foles
Gabbert

Fixed it for you. Locker is awful. I guarantee that Locker will not even be a mediocre starter.

 

[kerouac9]

Sam Bradford was a spread QB. So was Drew Brees. So was Kyle Orton. So was Vince Young. I think that Ben Roethlisberger ran a version of the spread at Miami (OH). It's a little easy to dismiss players just because they come from a spread offense.

 

[Mulli]

Sam Bradford was a spread QB. So was Drew Brees. So was Kyle Orton. So was Vince Young. I think that Ben Roethlisberger ran a version of the spread at Miami (OH). It's a little easy to dismiss players just because they come from a spread offense.

Add Neil Lomax and Dan Fouts. I think. Maybe. Close enough.

 

[az jam]

Interesting. I watched just the 1st half and was impressed with Gabbert. He appeared to have a very strong arm. He can make all the NFL throws. However, I didn't think his receivers were very good. If he declares he would do very well at the Combine. Hard to say if he would go first round but 2nd for sure as there are 8 to 10 teams that need a qb.

 

[football karma]

Sam Bradford was a spread QB. So was Drew Brees. So was Kyle Orton. So was Vince Young. I think that Ben Roethlisberger ran a version of the spread at Miami (OH). It's a little easy to dismiss players just because they come from a spread offense.

thank you

there is no question the spread allows non-nfl qbs to put up nice stats, but college football has been doing that for years anyway. Gino Torretta and Danny Kannel will vouch for that.

If you simply eliminate college QBs who are in some version of the spread offense, you will take 90% off your board.

I really liked what I saw from Gabbert last night: quick release, plenty of NFL arm strength. I saw many NFL quality throws, including a couple of 20 yard corner patterns where the ball got over the underneath corner but in front of the over the top safety. Very accurate as well.

Given all the teams that are looking for a QB, if he comes out, he gets drafted in the first round. When its all said and done, I think he is right in the mix with Newton and Mallet -

 

[SuperSpck]

Blaine Gabbert
Positives:
Gabbart is an outstanding athlete.
His measurables are all solid.
Gabbert has an NFL quality arm.
-He can throw with power (as illustrated by the 10 yard out-route he completed at least 10 times last night).
-He can throw with touch (as illustrated by the leading 15 yard throw over the top shoulder of a linebacker to a WR on the post).

Negatives:
Gabbart has to make better reads and he has to make them faster.

He will have to learn a pro system.

Played in an offense that featured a lot of dink 'n dunk that took advantage of WR mismatches. This year's Missou offense is all about getting the ball out quickly and trying to get it to them in space. You can't be mad at a kid for the system, but acknowledge it'll make for a steeper pro learning curve.

Ricky Stanzi
Positives:
He has good size and a frame that will probably allow for some bulk.
He has decent mobility.
He can make most NFL throws.
His TD to INT ratio has been trending down his time as a starter, which shows he's willing to learn and that things are still slowing down for him.

Negatives:
Overall accuracy issues. When he's on he drops balls off in perfect location and shows very good touch. When he's off (see: all last night) he looks mediocre at best.
Doesn't always feel pressure correctly, he's always willing to hang in and take the shot, but doesn't always have the timing to do it.
Mechanics and footwork drop in quality when he's got defenders in his face.

Missou vs Iowa specifics:

Again, Iowa struggles containing spread offenses: UNI, Northwestern, and others who use the system have good success, so they're aren't always the best measuring stick to evaluate spread QBs.

Conversely while IA has a lot of players (both on offense and defense) drafter regularly, which does make for an adequate indicator of NFL talent, but they don't have the bulk of coveted signees like the bigger programs. This is an exceptionally coached squad.

IA doesn't play a lot of backups. If you're a starter you'd better be ready for 4 quarters. This usually means they're gassed against hurry-ups.

Their base formation is a 4-3 with a quarters shell, the LBers fill in the underneath with deep zone themselves. They rarely get out of this formation, although it looked like last night's second half they did start fielding more dime and quarter packages.

Last night Missou targeted LB #48 (Troy Johnson) and it proved to be a good idea. He's still very raw and looked uncomfortable on deep drops.

 

[desertdawg]

I was flipping channels but did get to see some of the Gabster. Mostly the first half, he looked like a strong armed QB, and had some zip on his passes.
I think Gabbert could benefit from one more year in school, looks like he would shred everybody if Luck,Newton, and Mallet come out.

 

[Southpaw]

Sam Bradford was a spread QB. So was Drew Brees. So was Kyle Orton. So was Vince Young. I think that Ben Roethlisberger ran a version of the spread at Miami (OH). It's a little easy to dismiss players just because they come from a spread offense.

Drew Brees was a 2nd rounder. Kyle Orton was a 4th rounder. Vince Young (see Jeff Fisher) was a mistake. Ben The Rat abuses women. So maybe Gabbert is a 2-4 round draftee.

 

[splitsecond]

If you think Gabbert is a QBOF candidate you may as well wait for Foles. Gabbert is basically a lesser version of Foles, in a similar system. Only difference is Foles will like adjust to a pro-style offense better, as he is a true pocket passer.

 

[ajcardfan]

The fun thing about a thread like this is it's enshrined in time.

I'm going to enjoy watching this playout.

I encourage more people to put this in writing.

Ok. I and did see 3 or 4 Missouri games this season. Which makes me a Gabbert guru compared to krang.


I think he's in the mold of all those Tech and Hawaii QBs who tease you because of their massive productivity, but then the change in offense makes the jump to the NFL too much.

He'll bop around as a backup, but will never be a serious starter IMO.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Ok. I and did see 3 or 4 Missouri games this season. Which makes me a Gabbert guru compared to krang.


I think he's in the mold of all those Tech and Hawaii QBs who tease you because of their massive productivity, but then the change in offense makes the jump to the NFL too much.

He'll bop around as a backup, but will never be a serious starter IMO.

Predicting college QB success or failure in the NFL is always good fun... Would love to have seen what people were saying about Tom Brady when he came out!
As for Gabby - I definitely saw enough from him last night that suggests to me that there is more than just a wimpy 4 cylinder under the hood... I would not at all be surprised if he eventually became a starter in the NFL. But then, if you went on to resemble Josh McCown, I really wouldn't be surprised either...

 

[Duckjake]

What the he'll was that throw that lost the game for the team? He looked above average, but nit ready to start day one IMO.

That's what happens when you throw the ball all the time. Up 4 with 5 minutes left in the 4th and they're passing almost every down. I kept checking the score to make sure it wasn't Iowa that was ahead.