Murray to Cards a "done deal"

[Sun Devil Mania]

One more piece in the puzzle, Kliff said offense will be more traditional than people expect. Sounds like Rosen focused no?

They hired Kingsbury to run a Traditional type of Offense? I sure hope that is not the case! Why hire him at all if this is what he is going to run? We were excited to see what Kliff's style of offense could do in the NFL! Not a typical, traditional style offense!

 

[TJ]

They hired Kingsbury to run a Traditional type of Offense? I sure hope that is not the case! Why hire him at all if this is what he is going to run? We were excited to see what Kliff's style of offense could do in the NFL! Not a typical, traditional style offense!

I dont think that's what he means. I think he means that it's going to look less like the Air Raid offense than people have imagined.

 

[Arz101]

I dont think that's what he means. I think he means that it's going to look less like the Air Raid offense than people have imagined.

I read it is a more pocket passer style (traditional NFL offense). May be we are thinking same?

 

[jmt]

Just take Bosa and be done. I can’t wait for the draft to be over.

 

[GatorAZ]

This whole story by Pauline is trash. KK openly telling people at the combine what they’re plan is? Even if they go thru with it they’re bringing him in and doing psychology dives on him as well as up close workouts. The pre-draft process is just starting and the Cards don’t have a big board yet.

 

[GatorAZ]

The GOAT is an immobile QB but nobody sacks Brady because he sees the open guy and gets rid of it. The problem is that Rosen did nothing last year that suggests he's going to be that kind of QB. He's smart enough, and he has the arm, and he obviously had horrible coaching last year, but assuming he might be a guy like Brady who doesn't get sacked much with fairly average OL's is a huge risk.

That's really the concern with Josh and I still think we're going to keep him, he didn't really progress. We were horrible it's VERY easy to say he didn't progress because there was no support system around him.

One thing nobody has really said here, the minute Fitz decided to come back that either IMO indicated he's pretty high on Rosen, or he thought we were going to get another QB and given the timing I don't think HE knew Murray was going to be in the discussion so my guess is he decided to come back knowing KK was the coach and Rosen was the QB. If he thought Rosen was good enough for one more year that has to say something?

A concern of mine for Josh is durability. Not toughness from a mental standpoint but his frame is not great and he’s taken a beating for 3 years straight. Those hits add up... Wilks should’ve been fired earlier for not shutting him down.

 

[scandalous_b]

Some on this board think we can get a first for Rosen.

Talking heads say a third rounder which I agree seems ridiculous for us to bite on.

Bosa is a game changer and I can’t believe we’d be dumb enough to pass on him...although I’ve been fooled before.

Speaking of which - F Kurt Warner.

I will always appreciate what he did for this franchise, but thanks for throwing our franchise QB under the bus with such a ridiculous comment.

What a jerk.

 

[slanidrac16]

Wait, are all you saying is to win games we just need to score more than the opposing team? I wonder how many coaches out there failed not realizing this?

KK might have blown Keims mind by saying "if we can just outscore the other teams we can win" and Keim was like "so 0-3 would win us the game?" And KK was like no "we need to score at least 40 points a game because we won't invest in D and trick them into thinking we don't know the key to winning is outscoring them"

The idea that because KKs team could hang 50 pts playing in a soft conference so he can do that in the NFL is not a rational expectation. Likewise just because Saban can put up big numbers in SEC doesn't mean much because of the talent gap. B12 and Pac12 are the worst analogues to NFL in CFB. NFL has parity on both sides of the ball.

Go to the chiefs website and check the scores of their game smart guy. Tell me you’d be pissed if we were winning games 38-31. The point is we can’t fixboth sides of the ball in one year. That being ssaid load up the offensive side of the roster and give KK all the tools he needs and more to implement his expertise. Does that make any sense to you?

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

So we traded a 1st, 3rd and 5th to trade up to get Rosen?

And the supposed trade value is a 3rd with $8 mil cap hit?

That makes zero sense. Keim should be run out of town if this happens

Yep it’d be the final straw:

That would make his 1st round picks:

Rosen (bust?)
Buchannon(serviceable, no true position)
Humphries(BUST)
Reddick (mediocre, near bust)
Nkemdechi (BUST)
Cooper (BUST)


Why is he STILL HERE!!??

 

[CardsFan88]

Surprised this hasn't been posted yet.

Insider article from ESPN this morning, but the part you can see when you aren't subscribed produces more smoke.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/sto...heard-nfl-combine-kyler-murray-no-1-much-more

Takeaway No. 1: There's a growing sense the Cardinals will, in fact, use the No. 1 overall pick for Murray despite having used a 2018 first-round pick for Josh Rosen.

Murray has gone from baseball prospect to potential No. 1 overall NFL pick in short order.

"Arizona is going to take Murray No. 1," a general manager said at the combine.

I asked the GM whether he was betting on it to happen, figuratively.

"I'm not betting," he replied. "I'm telling you, it's going to happen."

ESPN +

 

[TJ]

Surprised this hasn't been posted yet.

Insider article from ESPN this morning, but the part you can see when you aren't subscribed produces more smoke.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/sto...heard-nfl-combine-kyler-murray-no-1-much-more

It was around this time last year when front office officials were convinced that the Browns were gonna take Sam Darnold.

Just saying

 

[TJ]

So we traded a 1st, 3rd and 5th to trade up to get Rosen?

And the supposed trade value is a 3rd with $8 mil cap hit?

That makes zero sense. Keim should be run out of town if this happens

I agree. The team has holes in many areas and devoting a significant amount of cap to get rid of Rosen is irresponsible cap management.

Keim should be fired if he takes Murray and then trades Rosen.

 

[Mainstreet]

So we traded a 1st, 3rd and 5th to trade up to get Rosen?

And the supposed trade value is a 3rd with $8 mil cap hit?

That makes zero sense. Keim should be run out of town if this happens

Keep Rosen. Let them compete if the Cardinals draft Murray.

Rosen can always be traded down the road once the Cardinals are sure about their quarterback of the future.

 

[Solar7]

Keep Rosen. Let them compete if the Cardinals draft Murray.

Rosen can always be traded down the road once the Cardinals are sure about their quarterback of the future.

This has been discussed in a ton of other threads, where I can't keep track, but "letting them compete" is ridiculous. We're not going to sit the #1 overall pick. Benching him in his first season would be an immediate admittance that we failed in our choice. Which is practically what we're doing now.

Anyone dreaming that we're getting value out of trading either Rosen or Murray from preseason competition is kidding themselves, and I might even say, doesn't know a lot about football.

 

[TJ]

Meanwhile, Rosen is finishing his degree while we all slit each other’s throats over him vs Murray

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[Arz101]

Don't know if Rosen can take the next step to be a good to great QB in NFL. But to think Kliff's offense requires a dual threat QB is easily de-bunked -

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[GatorAZ]

Keep Rosen. Let them compete if the Cardinals draft Murray.

Rosen can always be traded down the road once the Cardinals are sure about their quarterback of the future.

If they’re not sure about Murray being the QBOTF then they’re not drafting him #1 overall. Besides a #1 pick has never competed to be the franchise QB with another guy. There might be a situation where they’ve sat behind a stopgap; Mayfield/Taylor, Palmer/Kitna, Eli/Warner.

 

[Mainstreet]

This has been discussed in a ton of other threads, where I can't keep track, but "letting them compete" is ridiculous. We're not going to sit the #1 overall pick. Benching him in his first season would be an immediate admittance that we failed in our choice. Which is practically what we're doing now.

Anyone dreaming that we're getting value out of trading either Rosen or Murray from preseason competition is kidding themselves, and I might even say, doesn't know a lot about football.

If they’re not sure about Murray being the QBOTF then they’re not drafting him #1 overall. Besides a #1 pick has never competed to be the franchise QB with another guy. There might be a situation where they’ve sat behind a stopgap; Mayfield/Taylor, Palmer/Kitna, Eli/Warner.

The idea is to get the right quarterback and not being afraid to fail.

The Cowboys did something similar in the 1989 draft when they drafted Troy Aikman and Steve Walsh.

When the Cowboys traded Walsh they got a first, second and third round draft pick.

 

[Cardsfaninlouky]

Knowing how secretive Kliff was at Tech (he gave media the Belichick treatment), I would be very surprised if this rumor is true.

Only way I see it being true is if they want Gruden to get desperate for a move to #1 so he can get Murray.

If that happens, the cardinals will get the #4 pick & josh Allen & Nick bosa will be gone. They would then maybe get Q. Williams? Who knows if SK & MB will get one or both of the raiders other two first round picks also?

 

[Buckybird]

I agree. The team has holes in many areas and devoting a significant amount of cap to get rid of Rosen is irresponsible cap management.

Keim should be fired if he takes Murray and then trades Rosen.

Keim should be fired if he didn’t thoroughly scout Murray & decide along with the rest of the decision makers if he’s that much better (or not) than Rosen.

If they don’t do the homework & work on the kid it’s a total disservice to the franchise & organization imo!

 

[GatorAZ]

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[Cardsfaninlouky]

If Rosen had an adequate line, great coaching, great OC, good skill players who were healthy, and a stable locker room and still performed like he did, I’d actively shop him. He had none of the aforementioned.

The environment he was in was not ideal for a developing QB.

If he had all of that & he performed badly there would be no one wanting him lol.

 

[sunsfan88]

If he had all of that & he performed badly there would be no one wanting him lol.

I don't think most QBs in the league would perform badly with all that lol. Seems like a QB's paradise.

Guys like Brady, Brees, Ben, Rivers etc don't even have everything he just mentioned.

 

[juza76]

I don't think most QBs in the league would perform badly with all that lol. Seems like a QB's paradise.

Guys like Brady, Brees, Ben, Rivers etc don't even have everything he just mentioned.

right great qb's makes everything around them brighter

rosen even with a clean pocket wasnt good, even worse then lamar jackson , a dual threat qb

 

[TJ]

right great qb's makes everything around them brighter

rosen even with a clean pocket wasnt good, even worse then lamar jackson , a dual threat qb

A rookie QB shouldn’t have the bear the responsibility of ineptitude across all parts of a football team.

Also, remember that Sam Bradford was on pace to have his worst season of his NFL career before he got benched, and he was working with most of the starting offensive linemen.