Murray to Cards a "done deal"

[slanidrac16]

Keep Rosen. Let them compete if the Cardinals draft Murray.

Rosen can always be traded down the road once the Cardinals are sure about their quarterback of the future.

If you owned an Escalade and a great deal on a Lexus SUV came along you probably would want to sell the Escalade. However, the Lexus SUV is only available today. So you buy the Lexus SUV and you sell the Escalade somewhere down the road. I am warming up to the idea of drafting Murray and keeping Rosen. Dump Glennon.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

Until I start to hear Rosen and his agents talking him up, I have every reason to think he has already been told by the Cardinals that he is their guy and to not believe the hype. To sit quietly while your team floats around the idea of trading you just doesn't happen much in today's sports.

And yet, he was called immature in a post on this thread...hahahaha

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[RON_IN_OC]

A concern of mine for Josh is durability. Not toughness from a mental standpoint but his frame is not great and he’s taken a beating for 3 years straight. Those hits add up... Wilks should’ve been fired earlier for not shutting him down.

If you think Josh is slight of frame, just wait until Murray is back there...hahahahahahahaha

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[RON_IN_OC]

Keep Rosen. Let them compete if the Cardinals draft Murray.

Rosen can always be traded down the road once the Cardinals are sure about their quarterback of the future.

If Rosen is only worth a 3rd now, if he loses out to Murray he won't be worth a 5th...lol

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[RON_IN_OC]

Meanwhile, Rosen is finishing his degree while we all slit each other’s throats over him vs Murray

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Spoiled immature brat...lol

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[DRM08]

If you owned an Escalade and a great deal on a Lexus SUV came along you probably would want to sell the Escalade. However, the Lexus SUV is only available today. So you buy the Lexus SUV and you sell the Escalade somewhere down the road. I am warming up to the idea of drafting Murray and keeping Rosen. Dump Glennon.

SUV? Hmmm...maybe Corvette is a better example for Murray.

 

[slanidrac16]

SUV? Hmmm...maybe Corvette is a better example for Murray.

Lol! Okay, Corvette!

 

[TJ]

Keim should be fired if he didn’t thoroughly scout Murray & decide along with the rest of the decision makers if he’s that much better (or not) than Rosen.

If they don’t do the homework & work on the kid it’s a total disservice to the franchise & organization imo!

Not really. QB isn’t a significant area of need for this organization despite what people want to say, If he chose to only focus on pass rushers and de-linemen at the top, then that’s fine. The only logical reason to scout Murray would be to bait another team to overpay for the #1 pick and collect more draft capital.

 

[PACardsFan]

If you think Josh is slight of frame, just wait until Murray is back there...hahahahahahahaha

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True, but it's not about slight of frame. Rosen absorbs hits because his escapability is below average. Murray's escapability is better than anyone the NFL has ever seen, including Michael Vick. Even though Murray is small, the kid knows how to avoid hits.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

True, but it's not about slight of frame. Rosen absorbs hits because his escapability is below average. Murray's escapability is better than anyone the NFL has ever seen, including Michael Vick. Even though Murray is small, the kid knows how to avoid hits.

Well, he knows how to avoid college hits... no idea if he can avoid NFL hits.

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[PACardsFan]

Well, he knows how to avoid college hits... no idea if he can avoid NFL hits.

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That's a silly comment, as that can be applied to any college player, at any position. NFL teams select players based primarily on how they performed on a college football field. Murray has multiple gears, that will translate to success at any level. Rosen has 1 gear, and it appears to be an uphill one.

 

[BW52]

That's a silly comment, as that can be applied to any college player, at any position. NFL teams select players based primarily on how they performed on a college football field. Murray has multiple gears, that will translate to success at any level. Rosen has 1 gear, and it appears to be an uphill one.

Murray might have multiple gears but what about his slight frame and what gear makes him taller than 5`10?

 

[RON_IN_OC]

That's a silly comment, as that can be applied to any college player, at any position. NFL teams select players based primarily on how they performed on a college football field. Murray has multiple gears, that will translate to success at any level. Rosen has 1 gear, and it appears to be an uphill one.

It's not a silly comment. Lots of guys (RG3, Deshaun Watson, etc) could avoid college hits...but they have to adjust their games in the NFL...even Wilson has had to adjust. It's more about footwork and sensing pressure, than anything. Marino was the best ever, IMO. We have no idea if Murray can sense pressure and avoid hits in an NFL pocket.

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[Ohcrap75]

If you owned an Escalade and a great deal on a Lexus SUV came along you probably would want to sell the Escalade. However, the Lexus SUV is only available today. So you buy the Lexus SUV and you sell the Escalade somewhere down the road. I am warming up to the idea of drafting Murray and keeping Rosen. Dump Glennon.

Now you have two vehicles but can't afford tabs or insurance for it. Missed your mortgage payment so they sit outside getting hailed on. I've met people like this. Their lives do remind me of this franchise.

 

[PACardsFan]

It's not a silly comment. Lots of guys (RG3, Deshaun Watson, etc) could avoid college hits...but they have to adjust their games in the NFL...even Wilson has had to adjust. It's more about footwork and sensing pressure, than anything. Marino was the best ever, IMO. We have no idea if Murray can sense pressure and avoid hits in an NFL pocket.

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RG3 & DW were bigger, but not nearly as quick or fast as Murray. Neither of them avoided hits in college either. Wilson is a better comparison & he's had a very successful NFL career. Murray is quicker, faster, more accurate, and has a stronger arm than Wilson. As I've stated multiple times, I'm fine with keeping & further developing Rosen. But, Murray will be an NFL star, with us, or someone else. If we didn't have KK as our coach, I'd be more inclined to keep Rosen. But Murray is exactly the type of QB that will thrive in KK's system. If your going to take the KK risk, and there is risk, then take the full risk. As BA would say, no risk it, no biscuit. We saw no risk it last year. I don't ever want to see that again.

 

[gimpy]

I don't know. I just might keep the Escalade.

 

[tnmike]

Now you have two vehicles but can't afford tabs or insurance for it. Missed your mortgage payment so they sit outside getting hailed on. I've met people like this. Their lives do remind me of this franchise.

This team has plenty of money to pay both

 

[Shane]

This team has plenty of money to pay both

Based on what? Probably accurate if you didn’t have so many needs in other areas. This team needs to be active in FA.

 

[CardsFan88]

It was around this time last year when front office officials were convinced that the Browns were gonna take Sam Darnold.

Just saying

True, but it also means if it's a smokescreen for a trade, GM's are buying it. If we want to move the pick, that's essential to driving up the price. Now we know someone's buying it, and emphatically. It stands to reason he might not be the only one.

 

[HeHasRosen]

It's not a silly comment. Lots of guys (RG3, Deshaun Watson, etc) could avoid college hits...but they have to adjust their games in the NFL...even Wilson has had to adjust. It's more about footwork and sensing pressure, than anything. Marino was the best ever, IMO. We have no idea if Murray can sense pressure and avoid hits in an NFL pocket.

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There is evidence that Murray does NOT sense pressure well. He bolts at the hint of pressure. Thinking he will avoid every hit is what is silly to me. It's not if it's when. He will get hit at some point. Will his body hold up is the question I want to know.

 

[DRM08]

RG3 & DW were bigger, but not nearly as quick or fast as Murray. Neither of them avoided hits in college either. Wilson is a better comparison & he's had a very successful NFL career. Murray is quicker, faster, more accurate, and has a stronger arm than Wilson. As I've stated multiple times, I'm fine with keeping & further developing Rosen. But, Murray will be an NFL star, with us, or someone else. If we didn't have KK as our coach, I'd be more inclined to keep Rosen. But Murray is exactly the type of QB that will thrive in KK's system. If your going to take the KK risk, and there is risk, then take the full risk. As BA would say, no risk it, no biscuit. We saw no risk it last year. I don't ever want to see that again.

RG3 was pretty damn fast/quick. Not sure if Kyler is faster, but he is probably a little quicker going side to side. Kyler is definitely better at avoiding hits. He seems to have good self-awareness that he is a midget by QB standards. So get down and avoid the big hits. He has done that going all the way back to when he was a freshman in high school. Smart player.

 

[HGC]

Keim should be fired if he didn’t thoroughly scout Murray & decide along with the rest of the decision makers if he’s that much better (or not) than Rosen.

If they don’t do the homework & work on the kid it’s a total disservice to the franchise & organization imo!

Keim should have been fired with Wilks but Bill jr is spineless and cheap.

 

[slanidrac16]

Keim should have been fired with Wilks but Bill jr is spineless and cheap.

Wow.

 

[overseascardfan]

Based on what? Probably accurate if you didn’t have so many needs in other areas. This team needs to be active in FA.

Plus Bosa is a safer pick or you could trade down a couple of slots probably and get still get a safer player than Murray plus a cache of picks in the process. It makes no sense to take Murray when you have a young and talented QB on roster who got the short end of the stick last year with a coaching staff who had no idea what they were doing and no line and a lack of WRs to throw to. If Kingsbury was hired because he is an offensive genius then he should be able to get Rosen to a Goff /Wentz type level.

 

[HGC]

Wow.

You’re the guy talking about drafting Murray #1 overall and letting him compete with Rosen. So yeah wow.