My Latest and Greatest Off-Season Plan

[Pariah]

1. Sign Brunell to 2-Year Deal
Brunell plays in 2004 and probably rides pine behind McCown in 2005. Green has a history of taking "washout" QBs and making them stars again (Cunningham in '98; George in '99). Who better for McCown to learn under than a stong-armed mobile QB in Brunell?

2. Throw Gobs and Gobs of Money at J. Kearse
I really don't think Tennesse will be able to afford Kearse next season. Arizona will need to severly overpay for his talent, but IMO it'll be worth it--his ability to pressure the QB will make the entire defense better. Most of the D is not lacking in talent, but is exposed by the inability to put pressure on the QB. Make it a great deal for him--lots of dough, very few years. If he doesn't like it he can blow out of town with Brunell in 2006.

3. Trade with Pittsburgh
Our #3 pick for their #11 and Plaxico Burress and maybe a third or fourth rounder. Plax will give us a veteran WR that seems to be exactly the type of project Green has taken on in the past and made into a huge success (Randy Moss, anyone?). At the 11 spot we take the best available CB--which could very well be the best CB prospect in the draft (Straight or Gamble).

Summary
The plan takes care of all of our pressing needs--it answers the QB situation (McCown is the future but sits for one more year); the pass rush is delivered its Messiah, a jump-ball, stretch the field, veteran WR to compliment Boldin and Johnson is added to the corps, and the secondary has another good cover CB to compliment Starks.

 

[Stout]

Please please PLEASE just say NO to No-catch-ico Burress!

 

[CaptTurbo]

Say no to Brunell!!!!

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

Originally posted by Pariah
1. Sign Brunell to 2-Year Deal
Brunell plays in 2004 and probably rides pine behind McCown in 2005. Green has a history of taking "washout" QBs and making them stars again (Cunningham in '98; George in '99). Who better for McCown to learn under than a stong-armed mobile QB in Brunell?

2. Throw Gobs and Gobs of Money at J. Kearse
I really don't think Tennesse will be able to afford Kearse next season. Arizona will need to severly overpay for his talent, but IMO it'll be worth it--his ability to pressure the QB will make the entire defense better. Most of the D is not lacking in talent, but is exposed by the inability to put pressure on the QB. Make it a great deal for him--lots of dough, very few years. If he doesn't like it he can blow out of town with Brunell in 2006.

3. Trade with Pittsburgh
Our #3 pick for their #11 and Plaxico Burress and maybe a third or fourth rounder. Plax will give us a veteran WR that seems to be exactly the type of project Green has taken on in the past and made into a huge success (Randy Moss, anyone?). At the 11 spot we take the best available CB--which could very well be the best CB prospect in the draft (Straight or Gamble).

Summary
The plan takes care of all of our pressing needs--it answers the QB situation (McCown is the future but sits for one more year); the pass rush is delivered its Messiah, a jump-ball, stretch the field, veteran WR to compliment Boldin and Johnson is added to the corps, and the secondary has another good cover CB to compliment Starks.

We have a "Brunell" type now. His name is Jeff Blake. We dont need another aging QB. Plus McCown is NOT the future. Draft li or Ben and do not trade down with Pittsburgh!

 

[Espo]

what about trying to sign Macalister from baltimore at cb. Isnt he a free agent? Plus he has AZ connection because he went to UofA. I would love to see that guy in cardinal red. I want to see a solid veteran cb.

 

[Rats]

Originally posted by Stout
Please please PLEASE just say NO to No-catch-ico Burress!

He would be a good one to stretch the field. He had 76 catches for 1300+yards in 2002. His QB had a suspect/injured OLINE this season. For the "Flanker" I would say that 76 catches is pretty above avg. Besides we want the ball to go to our #1 option right? Quan needs the ball!!

 

[Billy Flynt]

Originally posted by Pariah
Summary

Where's that picture of the guy and the bong?

 

[Pariah]

Re: Re: My Latest and Greatest Off-Season Plan

Originally posted by LVCARDFREAK
We have a "Brunell" type now. His name is Jeff Blake. We dont need another aging QB. Plus McCown is NOT the future. Draft li or Ben and do not trade down with Pittsburgh!

I don't think Blake is a Brunell-type. He's never really been known as a rushing QB. What I've seen of McCown is much more reminisent of Brunell in his prime than Blake.

 

[Pariah]

Re: Re: My Latest and Greatest Off-Season Plan

Originally posted by casablanca
Where's that picture of the guy and the bong?

He's waiting in his greenhouse for more far-fetched plans than this one.

 

[spanky1]

Originally posted by PHX Phan
what about trying to sign Macalister from baltimore at cb. Isnt he a free agent? Plus he has AZ connection because he went to UofA. I would love to see that guy in cardinal red. I want to see a solid veteran cb.

Has been discussed over the last few weeks.....the bottom line is that he is likely to re-up with Baltimore (by his own statements). The having relatives near to AZ is NOT important to him.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

Re: Re: Re: My Latest and Greatest Off-Season Plan

Originally posted by Pariah
I don't think Blake is a Brunell-type. He's never really been known as a rushing QB. What I've seen of McCown is much more reminisent of Brunell in his prime than Blake.

What I meant was another "Bridge" QB. Blake is already on the roster why would the Cards go get another one?

 

[Pariah]

Re: Re: Re: Re: My Latest and Greatest Off-Season Plan

Originally posted by LVCARDFREAK
What I meant was another "Bridge" QB. Blake is already on the roster why would the Cards go get another one?

Many on this board seem to think Blake's "bridge" is shaky. Also, he may not be the "mentoring" type judging by the rumors of "leon-esque" personality. Plus, Brunell may have more insights for a player like McCown because he was/is the same mold of QB.

 

[CaliCards]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: My Latest and Greatest Off-Season Plan

Originally posted by Pariah
Many on this board seem to think Blake's "bridge" is shaky. Also, he may not be the "mentoring" type judging by the rumors of "leon-esque" personality. Plus, Brunell may have more insights for a player like McCown because he was/is the same mold of QB.

Between Blake and Brunell, I'd give Brunell the edge because he took his team to the playoffs. But Brunell does not want to be a backup QB.

And the "leon-esque" arguement regarding him mentoring young QBs is weak, because current Panters QB played with him at NO and he had no complaints, nor Brooks in NO, or the young QB he replaced in Baltimore, and A. Smith that replaced him at the Bengals.

 

[red desert]

Originally posted by Pariah
1. Sign Brunell to 2-Year Deal
Brunell plays in 2004 and probably rides pine behind McCown in 2005. Green has a history of taking "washout" QBs and making them stars again (Cunningham in '98; George in '99). Who better for McCown to learn under than a stong-armed mobile QB in Brunell?

2. Throw Gobs and Gobs of Money at J. Kearse
I really don't think Tennesse will be able to afford Kearse next season. Arizona will need to severly overpay for his talent, but IMO it'll be worth it--his ability to pressure the QB will make the entire defense better. Most of the D is not lacking in talent, but is exposed by the inability to put pressure on the QB. Make it a great deal for him--lots of dough, very few years. If he doesn't like it he can blow out of town with Brunell in 2006.

3. Trade with Pittsburgh
Our #3 pick for their #11 and Plaxico Burress and maybe a third or fourth rounder. Plax will give us a veteran WR that seems to be exactly the type of project Green has taken on in the past and made into a huge success (Randy Moss, anyone?). At the 11 spot we take the best available CB--which could very well be the best CB prospect in the draft (Straight or Gamble).

Summary
The plan takes care of all of our pressing needs--it answers the QB situation (McCown is the future but sits for one more year); the pass rush is delivered its Messiah, a jump-ball, stretch the field, veteran WR to compliment Boldin and Johnson is added to the corps, and the secondary has another good cover CB to compliment Starks.

That is absolutely the worst plan I've ever seen posted on this board.

I kid.

 

[spanky1]

The plan has some merit but I'm of the mind that one of the two "franchise" QB's will be available at #11. I've toyed around with a mock and it goes something like this:

#1 SD-Gallery-OT
#2 OAK-Fitzgerald-WR
#3 AZ- Roy Williams-WR
#4 NYG-S.Andrews-OT
#5 WASH-T.Harris-DT
#6 LIONS-Taylor-S
#7 ATL-Reggie Williams-WR
#8 CLEV-Winslow-TE
#9 JAX-Clayton-WR
#10 TEX-W. Smith-DE
#11 PITT-Manning-QB

 

[Southpaw]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: My Latest and Greatest Off-Season Plan

Originally posted by Pariah
Many on this board seem to think Blake's "bridge" is shaky. Also, he may not be the "mentoring" type judging by the rumors of "leon-esque" personality. Plus, Brunell may have more insights for a player like McCown because he was/is the same mold of QB.

YES !!!! Very logical. The competition for Brunell's service will come from the Miami Dolphins, as they are getting ready to announce DAN MARINO as the general Manager at 5:00 today.

 

[Pariah]

Originally posted by spanky1
The plan has some merit but I'm of the mind that one of the two "franchise" QB's will be available at #11. I've toyed around with a mock and it goes something like this:

#1 SD-Gallery-OT
#2 OAK-Fitzgerald-WR
#3 AZ- Roy Williams-WR
#4 NYG-S.Andrews-OT
#5 WASH-T.Harris-DT
#6 LIONS-Taylor-S
#7 ATL-Reggie Williams-WR
#8 CLEV-Winslow-TE
#9 JAX-Clayton-WR
#10 TEX-W. Smith-DE
#11 PITT-Manning-QB

That has BOTH QBs available at 11!

 

[spanky1]

Originally posted by Pariah
That has BOTH QBs available at 11!

I know......I just don't think that Green takes a QB with the #3 pick. I actually have Ben R. going to the Bills at #13 and J.P.Losman to the Dolphins at #20.

Now, with Dan Marino in the VP Player Personnel role, maybe they trade up to try and get Manning. But Losman will rise up the boards before the draft.

 

[Pariah]

Originally posted by spanky1
I know......I just don't think that Green takes a QB with the #3 pick. I actually have Ben R. going to the Bills at #13 and J.P.Losman to the Dolphins at #20.

Now, with Dan Marino in the VP Player Personnel role, maybe they trade up to try and get Manning. But Losman will rise up the boards before the draft.

Well, I don't see it going down like that, but I gotta give you credit for going out on a limb.

 

[Stout]

Originally posted by Rats
He would be a good one to stretch the field. He had 76 catches for 1300+yards in 2002. His QB had a suspect/injured OLINE this season. For the "Flanker" I would say that 76 catches is pretty above avg. Besides we want the ball to go to our #1 option right? Quan needs the ball!!

Yeah, he has that ability, and it translates into some automatic success...but ask Steeler fans how much he's disappeared in clutch situations. How he gets blanketed for whole games. How many passes he drops (I kid you not, his nickname in Pittsburgh is actually No-Catch-ico...I did not make that up!). He's light-years where he needs to be mentally to play the game, and under Cowher, that's a huge indictment on a player's drive. He's seemingly got no drive or determination to stick with it. I'd hate to have him!

 

[Pariah]

Originally posted by Stout
He's light-years where he needs to be mentally to play the game...that's a huge indictment on a player's drive. He's seemingly got no drive or determination to stick with it. I'd hate to have him!

Isn't that sort of what people were saying about Moss coming out of school, too? I know Moss' problems were attributed to his attitude, but it equated to the same critisism.

I'm not saying Plax is a cure-all, but I'd like to see what Denny could do with him. I think he has the ability to be great--and even if he falls short of great he's still pretty good.

Anyway, it's all academic. Judging by what Green says about drafting the best player available, that doesn't seem to leave a lot of room for trades like this.

 

[lrk27]

Originally posted by spanky1
The plan has some merit but I'm of the mind that one of the two "franchise" QB's will be available at #11. I've toyed around with a mock and it goes something like this:

#1 SD-Gallery-OT
#2 OAK-Fitzgerald-WR
#3 AZ- Roy Williams-WR
#4 NYG-S.Andrews-OT
#5 WASH-T.Harris-DT
#6 LIONS-Taylor-S
#7 ATL-Reggie Williams-WR
#8 CLEV-Winslow-TE
#9 JAX-Clayton-WR
#10 TEX-W. Smith-DE
#11 PITT-Manning-QB

You're definitely going out on a limb, but there is close to 0% chance that the two QBs aren't gone by pick 5. Worst case scenario, if one of them drops to four or five, someone WILL trade up to get them. The other nine picks may in fact go in the top eleven, but too many teams will not allow these QBs to be passed on. And with R. Williams, Manning, Roethlisberger and Larry Fitzgerald in this draft, there's no way an O-lineman goes #1 overall.

 

[Stout]

Originally posted by Pariah
Isn't that sort of what people were saying about Moss coming out of school, too? I know Moss' problems were attributed to his attitude, but it equated to the same critisism.

I'm not saying Plax is a cure-all, but I'd like to see what Denny could do with him. I think he has the ability to be great--and even if he falls short of great he's still pretty good.

Anyway, it's all academic. Judging by what Green says about drafting the best player available, that doesn't seem to leave a lot of room for trades like this.

Okay, so Denny can take players and motivate them. But let me tell you something...if Cowher can't motivate you...NOBODY can! When I'm around home and seeing lots of Cowher, I'm almost, almost mind, ready to strew my guts out on the floor and tapdance on them for the Steelers if Cowher asks me to. Now, if Plex can't 'find himself' there, I doubt Green will do it.

Also, Plex and Moss are two different cases. Moss is a huge me-me-me player, who doesn't turn it on all the time, but he's prepared. When he turns it on, it's all over. Plex doesn't have an 'on/off' switch, per se. He doesn't know how to turn it on. He just trots out onto the field and plays. Sometimes really well and focused, at other times like he's in the twilight zone.

And Plex has the dropsies, something Moss NEVER had and, at this point of his career, are probably permanent for Plex.

 

[BIGDADDY_REDBIRD]

O.K. So here's an idea. Our FA/WR to stretch the field is Justin Mc Careins from Tenn. He really broke out this year & became a favorite of Steve Mc Nair. He can catch the ball downfield, & Effective as a return man as well. Mc Cariens, Boldin, & Johnson with anyone other than Jeff Blake throwing to them. Then we use our Draft pick on 1 of the QB's or the best Player on the board at #3

 

[Stout]

Originally posted by BIGDADDY_REDBIRD
O.K. So here's an idea. Our FA/WR to stretch the field is Justin Mc Careins from Tenn. He really broke out this year & became a favorite of Steve Mc Nair. He can catch the ball downfield, & Effective as a return man as well. Mc Cariens, Boldin, & Johnson with anyone other than Jeff Blake throwing to them. Then we use our Draft pick on 1 of the QB's or the best Player on the board at #3

I could live with that WR combo. Is McCariens a FA or not?