Nash trades

[mojorizen7]

PHX sends
Nash ($12.2 mill 2 yrs) and JRich ($12.2 mill 3 yrs)
to
BOSTON
for
Rondo ($1.3 mill 2 yrs) and S. Marbury ($20.8 mill 1 yr) and a late 1st rd pick.

*This is of course after the CAVALIERS send BOSTON home in the EAST Finals in a few months.

 

[green machine]

I can't imagine Boston trading Rondo for a guy who couldn't guard a chair.

 

[slinslin]

I doubt Marbuy counts as 21M$ after being waived and singed the vets minimum...

2. Rondo is just as good as Nash at this point and young.

 

[mojorizen7]

I can't imagine Boston trading Rondo for a guy who couldn't guard a chair.

Yeah i hear ya but they do have many other defensively capable pieces on their roster.....unlike our SUNS.

 

[mojorizen7]

I doubt Marbuy counts as 21M$ after being waived and singed the vets minimum...

2. Rondo is just as good as Nash at this point and young.

I agree but they're two very different kinds of PG's.

 

[lou_skywalker]

Nash+ filler for Calderon and pick or
Nash+ filler for Curry+ Nate or Duhon+pick

 

[lou_skywalker]

or Nash for bayless+ pick (suppose LaFrenz goes, then Blazers would have lots of cap)

 

[dodie53]

nash for luke walton and morrison

 

[Mulli]

I agree but they're two very different kinds of PG's.

one plays defense?

 

[devilalum]

Didin't the Suns sell Rondo for $3 million?

 

[cly2tw]

Rondo for Nash? It's hilarious. Nash is not just bad on defense, he destroys his own team's defense completely. At this stage, Rondo is a lot better at almost everything.

After seeing Ellis play, I'd say Nash for Bayless+Blake in offseason would be the best. To NY for Lee at 7 and Duhon is also acceptable.

 

[cly2tw]

Didin't the Suns sell Rondo for $3 million?

To be fair, they sold him for 3mil + Rudy F and then sold Rudy for 3mil plus JR's contract.

 

[mojorizen7]

Rondo for Nash? It's hilarious. Nash is not just bad on defense, he destroys his own team's defense completely. At this stage, Rondo is a lot better at almost everything.

After seeing Ellis play, I'd say Nash for Bayless+Blake in offseason would be the best. To NY for Lee at 7 and Duhon is also acceptable.

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Nash is a better shooter from everywhere on the court including around the basket,midrange,deep and at the FT line.
Nash is the better passer in transistion.
Nash is a tougher competitor.

+
Rondo is a much better defensive player.
Rondo doesn't have to dominate the ball in order to make his teammates better.
Rondo is still getting better.....especially offensively.

 

[cly2tw]

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Nash is a better shooter from everywhere on the court including around the basket,midrange,deep and at the FT line.
Nash is the better passer in transistion.
Nash is a tougher competitor.

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Rondo is a much better defensive player.
Rondo doesn't have to dominate the ball in order to make his teammates better.
Rondo is still getting better.....especially offensively.

Anyway you look it, there is no reason for Celtics to do such a trade even if cap-wise doable. Nash with more than 30 min and dominating the ball at his age now = sure thing that you never win a title. Who'd want that outside those who didn't have the ambition?

 

[jandaman]

Rondo for the Celtics is >>>> Nash playing for the Celtics.

Rondo doesnt need to score as much, although he could improve shooting wise.
But rebounding, defense, athletism... everything Celtics need.

 

[mojorizen7]

So the concensus is that the CELTICS are a better team with Rondo at the point than they would be with Nash huh?
I don't know folks.....i'm not convinced.

 

[cly2tw]

So the concensus is that the CELTICS are a better team with Rondo at the point than they would be with Nash huh?
I don't know folks.....i'm not convinced.

Looking at your own Avatar, how could you not!

 

[mojorizen7]

Looking at your own Avatar, how could you not!

I'd just be curious to see how a Nash led team would fare if he was surrounded by quality defensive players and all-stars.....and conversely,how a SUNS team would fare with a defensive cog at the point allowing Barbosa,Amare,Shaq to do their thing.

 

[asudevil83]

Nash/Barnes (S&T) for Howard/Stack

Kidd isnt coming back...they need a PG. they get rid of Howard

we get an expiring in Stack and a young SF

 

[Darth Llama]

PHX sends
Nash ($12.2 mill 2 yrs) and JRich ($12.2 mill 3 yrs)
to
BOSTON
for
Rondo ($1.3 mill 2 yrs) and S. Marbury ($20.8 mill 1 yr) and a late 1st rd pick.

*This is of course after the CAVALIERS send BOSTON home in the EAST Finals in a few months.

Celtics are too defensive oriented to go for this trade. Yes, it would make them better offensively, but at the cost of their defense which they will never do.

No team is going to give the Suns a young PG for Steve Nash unless that young guard is a scrub. It will never happen. Nash is old and a defensive liability. Not saying no one would want him, he's still a great PG (at least offensively) but no one is going to give up someone like Rondo for him.

In your proposal, you take both of Bostons PG's (Rondo and Marbury) and leave them with just Nash at the guard. The only other PG they have is Gabe Pruitt who only averages 8 min a game. You would also be asking them to take on another SG (J-Rich) even though they have 6 SG's on their roster as it is. Probably not going to happen.

 

[slinslin]

Nash/Barnes (S&T) for Howard/Stack

Kidd isnt coming back...they need a PG. they get rid of Howard

we get an expiring in Stack and a young SF

No thanks..

Howard isn't young, he is a headcase too and he won't get any better than what he is, plus he has a big contract.

We need to get young talent , not this.

Howard isn't even much of an upgrade over Barnes anyway.

 

[cly2tw]

No thanks..

Howard isn't young, he is a headcase too and he won't get any better than what he is, plus he has a big contract.

We need to get young talent , not this.

Howard isn't even much of an upgrade over Barnes anyway.

Howard has motivation problem, I believe. But he is much better than Barnes. Barnes would be a good fit where you don't care too much about his stupid plays but appreciate his other qualities. In any case, Howard is about the same kind of impact like JRich currently has on Suns. We don't need too many of them.

 

[lou_skywalker]

Howard has motivation problem, I believe. But he is much better than Barnes. Barnes would be a good fit where you don't care too much about his stupid plays but appreciate his other qualities. In any case, Howard is about the same kind of impact like JRich currently has on Suns. We don't need too many of them.

yeah Barnes is a bit inconsistent, but you can be sure he is always giving 100% on the court, doing the little things. I mean if Hill does not retire or demand a trade then he is fine at SF. J- Ho's contract and his attitude is a big problem.
I wonder if we would keep Swift, he has limited impact so far and when Amare is back we don't really need him. But at least he is not ordering pizza at halftime anymore

 

[Covert Rain]

I think you could survive with Nash at the point for a team that is deep defensively (2 to 5). Key would "survive". I think you could win despite Nash. However, if your a good defensive team that can win despite putting up huge offensive numbers, you don't need Nash either. In the Celtics case, they don't need Nash and would prefer Rondo because they can get it done with defense despite Nash being better offensively. They have already proven that. It might be different if the Celts didn't prove they already have enough offense to get it done.

 

[MarkWest]

Nash+ filler for Calderonk

What makes you guys think teams want old man nash for young good point guards like calderon and rondo? There's no way they'll take that deal!