Nash wants out of PHX after this season

[AzStevenCal]

But the point remains, the options of teams to ship Nash to within the lottery is extraordinarily limited, thus giving the team the Suns would be dealing with a lot of leverage.

I agree but that's why I think that if we do move Nash it will be a multi-team multi-player deal.

Steve

 

[mojorizen7]

But they are not going to trade Nash just to trade him. We WILL get assets back, you can bet on that.

No they won't.

Anyone at all curious as to what a team with a Top 10 pick (and thus likely a rebuilding, young team) would want with a 38 year old PG? Lets look at the current lottery teams as listed on NBADraft.net, would Nash make sense for any of them?

1. Cleveland: No
2. Minnesota: No
3. Sacramento: No
4. Toronto: Maybe, but more to sell tickets than anything
5. Washington: No
6. New Jersey: No
7. Detroit: No
8. LAC: No
9. Milwaukee: No
10. Charlotte: No
11. Houston: No
12. Golden State: No
13. PHX: N/A
14. Memphis: Yes*

But the point remains, the options of teams to ship Nash to within the lottery is extraordinarily limited, thus giving the team the Suns would be dealing with a lot of leverage.

This.
Also,why on Earth is squeaking into the playoffs to recieve a beatdown such a high priority for this team? Oh thats right,we traded our protected #1 pick away for a backup PG who's supposed to help us get there.

Unbelievable....but not really.
Goodnight folks.

 

[desertdawg]

No they won't.


This.
Also,why on Earth is squeaking into the playoffs to recieve a beatdown such a high priority for this team? Oh thats right,we traded our protected #1 pick away for a backup PG who's supposed to help us get there.

Unbelievable....but not really.
Goodnight folks.

I love the know it all posts, especially these positive ones. (lay off the koolaid)

 

[Chaplin]

No they won't.


This.
Also,why on Earth is squeaking into the playoffs to recieve a beatdown such a high priority for this team? Oh thats right,we traded our protected #1 pick away for a backup PG who's supposed to help us get there.

Unbelievable....but not really.
Goodnight folks.

Get a puppy or something. Good God.

 

[sunsfan88]

To all the idiots that keep saying "We dont make playoffs and they get a lottery pick."

THE PICK IS LOTTERY PROTECTED!!!! IF WE DONT MAKE PLAYOFFS WE STILL OWN OUR OWN PICK AND THEY GET THE ORLANDO 1ST ROUNDER!!

 

[HooverDam]

Certainly the Clippers might have some interest in Nash.

You're right. I blanked and forgot they moved Baron Davis and his terrible deal. A Nash to Griffin pick and roll would be sick and certainly give the Clips some cache in LA and sell some tickets. Though if they didn't move Mo Williams they'd be paying a lot of money for one spot on the floor which doesn't necessarily jibe w/ Donald Sterlings usual M.O.

My general point still stands though, the Suns opportunity to move Nash to a team in the lottery is limited.

 

[slinslin]

To all the idiots that keep saying "We dont make playoffs and they get a lottery pick."

THE PICK IS LOTTERY PROTECTED!!!! IF WE DONT MAKE PLAYOFFS WE STILL OWN OUR OWN PICK AND THEY GET THE ORLANDO 1ST ROUNDER!!

And Orlandos pick could have been good enought to get Kemba Walker, Brendan Knight or Nolan Smith for example.

All of which I would take over Brooks anyday of the week...

 

[sunsfan88]

And Orlandos pick could have been good enought to get Kemba Walker, Brendan Knight or Nolan Smith for example.

All of which I would take over Brooks anyday of the week...

Houston doesn't get both picks so if Walker slips to the Suns pick, I'm sure we'll consider getting him.

 

[mojorizen7]

Get a puppy or something. Good God.

Why do i need a puppy Chap? This franchise is borderline hysterical. If im the GM of another franchise i've got PHX on speed dial whenever i need a good trade. That is,as long as Nash/Hill are still the core....after that,not sure where the other GM's are gonna look to. Sooner or later he's gonna have to find a way to aquire a great player under the age of 38.

On topic: Oh, so NOW its okay to trade Nash to an armpit NBA team like the Clippers because he wants out?
Ya'll crack me up. 6 months ago that was considered blasphemy and outright disrepectful.

 

[sunsfan88]

Yep. I think it is true. The real questions are where is he going and what can we get in return.

Put Nash with the Clips and that team could contend. One year more of experience with those young players and Nash greasing the skids and wow.

I wonder if Nash would want to go there.

Hell yea Nash would go there. Why would he pass up on a chance to play with Griffin? Pick n roll with Griffin would be Nashty.

A big 3 of Nash, Griffin & Gordon would also make the Clippers a definite playoff contender & maybe even more.

We could possibly ask for Bledsoe, Al-Forque & exchange our remaining 1st rd pick with theirs.

 

[slinslin]

Houston doesn't get both picks so if Walker slips to the Suns pick, I'm sure we'll consider getting him.

Your point? If that happened the Suns would be in the lottery and reach for a player that would have been there with Orlandos pick.

The point is that we gave up too much for Brooks even if it just the Orlando pick.

Lon Babby is deceiving the fans, 2 weeks ago on the chat where he answered fan questions he stressed how important getting the pick from Orlando was for them.

Reality check, this stupid organisation will screw the fans over again on draft day like every year. If we keep the Orlando pick we will sell it for 3M$, if we keep our lottery pick we will probably trade it away for some old veteran or cap relief or draft a player we will never give playing time to develop and then throw that player away for nothing a year later.

 

[Chaplin]

Why do i need a puppy Chap? This franchise is borderline hysterical. If im the GM of another franchise i've got PHX on speed dial whenever i need a good trade. That is,as long as Nash/Hill are still the core....after that,not sure where the other GM's are gonna look to. Sooner or later he's gonna have to find a way to aquire a great player under the age of 38.

On topic: Oh, so NOW its okay to trade Nash to an armpit NBA team like the Clippers because he wants out?
Ya'll crack me up. 6 months ago that was considered blasphemy and outright disrepectful.

I don't know if it's reading comprehension or not, but I never said to trade him to the Clippers. I said they would have some interest in him. There are a lot of lottery teams that would have interest in Nash. How is that disrespectful? That's just a fact.

And really, you and a few others are really taking this trade way too overboard. It's not like we traded Gortat for Jason Collins. It's like somebody insulted your mother or something.

 

[Chaplin]

Here's a new post by the guy at RealGM:

Someone mentioned it earlier...

I do not sit in the meetings and make decisions. I may and could very well have bad/outdated info. Everything is dynamic and changes.

As far as Nash' desires... his agent was speaking for him and there were other conversations with the FO that accompanied his public statement. Nash denied the public statement. That's just for PR. Nash was fully aware of what was communicated. Before that I was not aware of any summer trade plans.

I was in a meeting and had no clue about the dragic trade until about ten minutes after the league office got their info. So it caught me by my surprise and I got an explanation for it.

The desired outcome I was told is that on the medium/high chance Nash is traded. We will attempt do our best to grab a low big. And we are eyeing two point guards that are projected to be available at a good return. Trades were not mentioned because the lockout may occur and no one is sure what the new CBA will look like. Though I do have some info on that. I'll share it sometime when I have time. Rookies to our franchise are more appealing because we generally suspect contracts will be lowered following the new CBA. We'd rather have two players on the rookie pay scale and do what we can in the draft. Then once we deal with Vince we'll have good cap space to play with and it will be a good 'retool' moment.

My question is: If this guys "job" involves sitting and talking with other people in the organization, how can he still have it? Normally he doesn't give any information at all if you read between the lines, but if he does sometimes, I can't see what anyone in the organization would support or put up with such a person. If he was such an insider, why not go to an actual reputable source, not some message board? And then be condescending at the same time. But everyone over at that board just LOVES the guy.

 

[Bufalay]

I just realized that Lon Babby is a very strange name.

 

[desertdawg]

Here's a new post by the guy at RealGM:
My question is: If this guys "job" involves sitting and talking with other people in the organization, how can he still have it? Normally he doesn't give any information at all if you read between the lines, but if he does sometimes, I can't see what anyone in the organization would support or put up with such a person. If he was such an insider, why not go to an actual reputable source, not some message board? And then be condescending at the same time. But everyone over at that board just LOVES the guy.

Not the Mama! He just mutters what I consider common knowledge possibilities and maybe a little of his own dream team dilution. About as valid as the name "RealGM", I think I will just kick it with the homies on ASFN. At least we keeps it real here and don't pull the fake insider BS. Dude might know someone, that's about it, I don't think he is on some list of people that know. At least he knew when the deadline was.

 

[elindholm]

My question is: If this guys "job" involves sitting and talking with other people in the organization, how can he still have it? Normally he doesn't give any information at all if you read between the lines, but if he does sometimes, I can't see what anyone in the organization would support or put up with such a person. If he was such an insider, why not go to an actual reputable source, not some message board? And then be condescending at the same time.

The guy's obviously a phony, and I share your puzzlement that he has put so much energy into keeping his act going for so long.

But everyone over at that board just LOVES the guy.

Tells you something about the people on that board, doesn't it?

 

[HooverDam]

There are a lot of lottery teams that would have interest in Nash.

A lot? 3 out of 14 is a lot? Which teams besides the Clips, Raptors and Grizzlies would make any sense at all?

 

[Lorenzo]

I know that there are a lot of people inside and outside of phoenix that want to see nash traded. so there are a lot of rumors. I hope he stays there. It would be nice to see the suns get another top notch player to play alongside steve. or certainly be able to replace him with another guard which they will need to do soon. One place where I think steve would fit nasty would be miami. I don't want to see it happen because then it wouldn't be fair for the rest of the league. But if steve decided to play for change to chase a ring i think he would be the perfect offensive link in that system. I'd like to see him return to dallas, but I don't think that is much of a fit either with all of the small guards in their system. they would have to add another guard who could score and defend the 2 position.

 

[Chaplin]

A lot? 3 out of 14 is a lot? Which teams besides the Clips, Raptors and Grizzlies would make any sense at all?

Making sense and having interest are not mutually exclusive. Any lottery team would love to have a player with the quality of Nash.

 

[Mainstreet]

Making sense and having interest are not mutually exclusive. Any lottery team would love to have a player with the quality of Nash.

I think we are getting locked into what a poster said on another board. If the Suns were to trade Nash, I would like to get something tangible in return beside a draft pick. Maybe Utah might be interested in Nash in a trade for Millsap. The Jazz appreciated what they had in a similar player in John Stockton.

 

[TBaslim]

Maybe this Traxxe guy is a Suns plant to throw folks off the real plans. A fan message board insider double agent!

And maybe, just maybe, the Suns do well enough this season to keep The Nash and this current rebuild going? Maybe Nash stays through 2012 and beyond for as long as he can still play at a high level and the team can compete, ala Stockton? Then retires a Sun. Anyone every thought of that as a very real possibility?

I'm not sure why so many fans are in such an all-fire hurry to see Steve traded while he is still playing this well and the team is starting to improve.

Yes, the breakup of last years team (and some of the versions before that) was painful, stupid of Sarver and mostly not necessary. But it happened, and yet another rebuild-on-the-fly around Nash's unique talents is starting to come together pretty nicely.

If the Suns were a straight crappy lotto team with no hope of improvement? Sure, move Nash asap to a better team. But if he likes the direction and wants to keep playing in Phx, why would you move him? You will NEVER get remotely equal value.

As it stands now, is the team still short a really top-notch starting PF? Sure. Amare is gone, after all. But they are starting to figure out how to fill in with the frontcourt they have. Kudos to all 4 guys - Lopez, Gortat, Frye and Hak are really starting to settle into a very nice rotation over the last 10 games. Let's see if they can keep it up into a playoff berth. All 4 should get better for another few years if they get some stability. That makes them both better contributors and trade pieces for an even better player.

Sorry guys, I'm just in no rush to:

a) see Nash play like this somewhere else

b) see the Suns become the Jazz or Houston or Indiana or fill-in-the-blank of the last decade. Great franchises mired in the search for consistent success after long runs of Hall of Fame franchise players.

No trading Nash unless he wants to go somewhere else. If he really did say that, great. Find a deal to move him where he wants to be. He's earned that from this franchise, IMO. Or let him sign elsewhere as a free agent. Otherwise, roll on Suns!

 

[desertdawg]

Maybe this Traxxe guy is a Suns plant to throw folks off the real plans. A fan message board insider double agent!

And maybe, just maybe, the Suns do well enough this season to keep The Nash and this current rebuild going? Maybe Nash stays through 2012 and beyond for as long as he can still play at a high level and the team can compete, ala Stockton? Then retires a Sun. Anyone every thought of that as a very real possibility?

I'm not sure why so many fans are in such an all-fire hurry to see Steve traded while he is still playing this well and the team is starting to improve.

Yes, the breakup of last years team (and some of the versions before that) was painful, stupid of Sarver and mostly not necessary. But it happened, and yet another rebuild-on-the-fly around Nash's unique talents is starting to come together pretty nicely.

If the Suns were a straight crappy lotto team with no hope of improvement? Sure, move Nash asap to a better team. But if he likes the direction and wants to keep playing in Phx, why would you move him? You will NEVER get remotely equal value.

As it stands now, is the team still short a really top-notch starting PF? Sure. Amare is gone, after all. But they are starting to figure out how to fill in with the frontcourt they have. Kudos to all 4 guys - Lopez, Gortat, Frye and Hak are really starting to settle into a very nice rotation over the last 10 games. Let's see if they can keep it up into a playoff berth. All 4 should get better for another few years if they get some stability. That makes them both better contributors and trade pieces for an even better player.

Sorry guys, I'm just in no rush to:

a) see Nash play like this somewhere else

b) see the Suns become the Jazz or Houston or Indiana or fill-in-the-blank of the last decade. Great franchises mired in the search for consistent success after long runs of Hall of Fame franchise players.

No trading Nash unless he wants to go somewhere else. If he really did say that, great. Find a deal to move him where he wants to be. He's earned that from this franchise, IMO. Or let him sign elsewhere as a free agent. Otherwise, roll on Suns!

This.

 

[Sunburn]

Maybe this Traxxe guy is a Suns plant to throw folks off the real plans. A fan message board insider double agent!

And maybe, just maybe, the Suns do well enough this season to keep The Nash and this current rebuild going? Maybe Nash stays through 2012 and beyond for as long as he can still play at a high level and the team can compete, ala Stockton? Then retires a Sun. Anyone every thought of that as a very real possibility?

I'm not sure why so many fans are in such an all-fire hurry to see Steve traded while he is still playing this well and the team is starting to improve.

Yes, the breakup of last years team (and some of the versions before that) was painful, stupid of Sarver and mostly not necessary. But it happened, and yet another rebuild-on-the-fly around Nash's unique talents is starting to come together pretty nicely.

If the Suns were a straight crappy lotto team with no hope of improvement? Sure, move Nash asap to a better team. But if he likes the direction and wants to keep playing in Phx, why would you move him? You will NEVER get remotely equal value.

As it stands now, is the team still short a really top-notch starting PF? Sure. Amare is gone, after all. But they are starting to figure out how to fill in with the frontcourt they have. Kudos to all 4 guys - Lopez, Gortat, Frye and Hak are really starting to settle into a very nice rotation over the last 10 games. Let's see if they can keep it up into a playoff berth. All 4 should get better for another few years if they get some stability. That makes them both better contributors and trade pieces for an even better player.

Sorry guys, I'm just in no rush to:

a) see Nash play like this somewhere else

b) see the Suns become the Jazz or Houston or Indiana or fill-in-the-blank of the last decade. Great franchises mired in the search for consistent success after long runs of Hall of Fame franchise players.

No trading Nash unless he wants to go somewhere else. If he really did say that, great. Find a deal to move him where he wants to be. He's earned that from this franchise, IMO. Or let him sign elsewhere as a free agent. Otherwise, roll on Suns!

Co-sign

 

[sunsfan88]

Here's a new post by the guy at RealGM:



My question is: If this guys "job" involves sitting and talking with other people in the organization, how can he still have it? Normally he doesn't give any information at all if you read between the lines, but if he does sometimes, I can't see what anyone in the organization would support or put up with such a person. If he was such an insider, why not go to an actual reputable source, not some message board? And then be condescending at the same time. But everyone over at that board just LOVES the guy.

The mods there have verified his connection. You either believe it or not. He can't just come out and say to everyone how he knows the stuff. That would be risking his job security and in this economy, no one wants to do that.

Posted by a mod there:

The point of people with "connections" is that they can't reveal those connections. That's why on the Suns board we have people verify their connections with the mods, then without disclosing the connection we can say the connection is verified.

If you don't trust "sources" then ignore them - if you think a source is not legit because a rumor didn't happen well you should probably ignore them too. Heck even if Sarver was posting here he'd just be shooting off rumors of what might go down.

The point is, jobs are on the line here, please don't ask a source to publicly disclose any connections. If the source is verified by mods it's on you how much weight to give it. And Traxxe is verified as having an ear to this stuff.

 

[Chaplin]

The mods there have verified his connection. You either believe it or not. He can't just come out and say to everyone how he knows the stuff. That would be risking his job security and in this economy, no one wants to do that.

Posted by a mod there:

And there you go--who exactly are these "mods" and how to do they verify such a connection? We give our mods a hard time, but we certainly don't treat them like gods like they do over there. I don't seen any more credibility with a mod than I do with a poster, do you?